11-22-2024 10:29 PM - edited 11-22-2024 10:46 PM
Is it right to charge fees on shipping.
I am being charged !!!15%!!!(14.5%) for EVERY SINGLE SALE. I do auctions so, sometimes my auctions don't do so good and people get a deal at $5-$9 dollars. I charge shipping and I ship through ebay so ebay knows exactly how much is paid for shipping. So when the total comes out to let's say $7 + $8.45 shipping= $15.45 + buyer pays for the taxes. Let's say 2 dollars ebay CHARGES YOU THE 15% FEES AT $17.45 EVEN THOUGH, ebay immediately takes the taxes back from your sale to their pockets. So at the end of the sale you are left with $3-$4 and the buyer outta pocket paid $17.50.
Another sale of mine and buyer paid $58.25 total and at the end of fees and shipping i got $34. That's nearly 50%
Is this right? Is this right for both buyer and seller. I'm asking the lawyers and lawmakers. Especially the part where ebay CHARGES sellers fees with taxes even tho they immediately takes those back.
Is this right?
Something is off
Fees are too **bleep** high and secretly exploitative.
Shipping is to **bleep** high and only seems to get higher and higher.
Taxes are getting higher.
I'm not sure if there are people with answers but we need change.
Make eBay Great Again.
Make USPS Great Again. And
Make America Sell Again
11-22-2024 11:16 PM
EBay is a business with the same right to make money as anyone other business. They are responsible to stockholders, employees and people using the platform. I don't recommend wasting your money asking an attorney. There is nothing illegal about their business practices. They have a legal department working day and night to make sure they comply with all the laws, rules and regulations around the world.
The secret to making money on eBay is have the buyers pay all the fees. I recommend quit using auction style listings and change to buy it now with calculated shipping so you won't have to ask for tip money via cash app.
11-23-2024 01:13 AM
You are being offered a service which you are selling products on Ebay's platform. They give you the terms of what they charge in the policy. This is why before you click submit listing you have to know an understand the policy and what you are being charged. Is it right? As of right now yes. Unless Federal or State laws change then there is nothing that will be done. Right now they are allowed to charge a fee for collecting tax and providing a shipping label basically. If politicians from a state level or even on the Federal level say they don't want Ebay or other platforms charging that fee then that's when this situation gets addressed.
11-23-2024 01:21 AM
eBay fees on shipping have been assessed on shipping/handling since 2011 and have always been assessed on "free shipping" where the shipping/handling is included in the price of the item (sometimes a new seller would think eBay would handle all the s/h if they selected the "free ship option - surprise, surprise). See sellers would charge a great big shipping/handling charge and a little bitty item price to avoid baying any fees. Sellers like buyers are not always saints. - some will "lie a little, cheat a little but will be sincere about it"
11-23-2024 01:25 AM
@goodspublicauctions wrote:I do auctions so, sometimes my auctions don't do so good.
I just checked your auctions and you may attract more bidders if you opt out of auto-pay. I am actually interested in a few of your auctions but will not bid because it limits my payment options and combined shipping options.
If you are interested in opting out of auto-pay:
Go to seller dashboard>>preferences>>your buyers>>Managing who can buy from you, and click edit to the right.
Scroll down to the second category, "Buyer rules" and uncheck the boxes requiring payment info.After unchecking the boxes scroll down to the bottom of page and click "Save changes"
11-23-2024 02:22 AM
You’re absolutely right—charging fees on shipping and taxes feels unfair, especially when sellers can’t control those costs. It’s tough enough with rising shipping prices, and eBay taking a cut makes it even harder to make a fair profit. Small changes could really help sellers and buyers alike.
11-23-2024 02:52 AM - edited 11-23-2024 03:38 AM
@chwil1134 wrote:You’re absolutely right—charging fees on shipping and taxes feels unfair, especially when sellers can’t control those costs. It’s tough enough with rising shipping prices, and eBay taking a cut makes it even harder to make a fair profit. Small changes could really help sellers and buyers alike.
@chwil1134 @goodspublicauctions
No offense, but the whole question of morality -- fair vs. unfair -- in the business context strikes me as puerile, quite honestly.
This, it seems to me, is especially so here on eBay.
I love eBay and do well here, but let's face it: by allowing scammers, thieves, criminals and all manner of con-artists to buy and sell on this platform and take advantage of one another again and again and yet again, eBay bends over backwards to sidestep any pretense of "fair."
eBay labels the aforementioned sellers"among the most reputable" on the platform and gives them a "top rated" designation. As for the aforementioned buyers, sellers can only leave them positive feedback.
eBay has cozied up to China to allow the latter to dominate the auto-parts category on the platform, and runs a software selling scheme ("Promoted listings") with a single guarantee -- to put money in eBay's pocket.
And we have not even discussed the massive escape clause in section 4 of eBay's user agreement.
I take it you know the history of charging fees on shipping... sellers started to sell items for $1, and charge $99 for shipping.
As if eBay would not notice.
As for controlling costs -- sellers cannot control the costs of gasoline, cardboard boxes, tape, etc.. It is up to sellers to manage their own affairs. If they cannot do so, they do not stay on eBay, and in my view that is as it should be.
My wish (dream?) for 2025 is that eBay significantly tightens up the requirements to sell here. And to maintain a selling account. I also would love to see sellers who offer same day shipping and 60 day paid returns placed in a more distinctive category with greater visibility on the site.
PS: @goodspublicauctions ... please don't waste your precious time talking with lawyers. And if you do, make sure you provide them with a link to the eBay user agreement I cited above.
11-23-2024 03:28 AM
eBay does NOT take the taxes back from sales into their own pockets.
eBay is required BY LAW to charge state sales taxes to buyers in about 45 states.
eBay is required BY LAW to then forward those funds on to the treasury departments of the affected states.
11-23-2024 04:46 AM
You may not like or agree with the way eBay calculates fees but as toysaver mentioned eBay is a business and their only goal is to maximize their value to their shareholders. You should build a cost model so you know in advance about what your payout is going to be. Using your numbers following is an example. I had to guess on what you actually paid for the shipping label as opposed to what the buyer paid you and your $2 estimate on sales tax was probably high so I used 8%.
Shipping is becoming a bigger and bigger part of selling expenses. There are a variety of ways to address shipping and each seller has to determine what works best for them. You can use free shipping and bake the cost of the shipping into your item price but this has certain disadvantages for both the seller and the buyer. You can use calculated shipping making sure the dims and weights of your items are correct in the listing and the buyer pays the shipping based on their location. You can use a flat rate shipping cost which has some risks unless you are calculating it on the worst case scenario which is a disadvantage to some buyers. You can charge the buyer the full retail cost or you can pass along the discounted eBay rates to your buyers. For the later this would cause you to loose money on the shipping cost for every item you sell unless you are baking the cost in somewhere else. You are on the west coast and I am on the east coast and looking at the shipping cost for some of your items I question whether you could actually ship the item to me at the cost you have listed. Check your seller settings and if you are passing the shipping discounts along to your buyers suggest you consider not doing that.
Focus on your own profits and ROI not the eBay fees, shipping costs or sales tax. Switch to calculated shipping and make sure you are not passing the shipping discounts along to the buyers. Based on some of your feedback after a year of selling there are some other things you may want to address with regards to your selling.
11-23-2024 07:05 AM
No one is forcing you to use eBay as your shipping platform -- you may choose to sell on other platforms at any time.
But you may discover that those other platforms charge higher final value fees -- and ALSO charge fees on shipping charges.
You can also create your own platform, and charge yourself NO fees.
Of course, then you will be legally committed to providing sales tax information to each and every state revenue agency on each of your sales, taking into consideration that there are hundreds of individual county, municipal and multi-county sales taxes involved.
The necessary accounting and paperwork may eat up most of your time, as well as most of your profits.
And many of us who sell on this platform would rather have eBay do all that accounting and paperwork for us -- and realize that that is one of the "perks" of eBay's final value fees on shipping fees.
Finally, it is not "illegal" -- you agreed to those terms of sale on Day One.
11-23-2024 07:19 AM
@goodspublicauctions wrote:Is it right to charge fees on shipping.
I am being charged !!!15%!!!(14.5%) for EVERY SINGLE SALE. I do auctions so, sometimes my auctions don't do so good and people get a deal at $5-$9 dollars. I charge shipping and I ship through ebay so ebay knows exactly how much is paid for shipping. So when the total comes out to let's say $7 + $8.45 shipping= $15.45 + buyer pays for the taxes. Let's say 2 dollars ebay CHARGES YOU THE 15% FEES AT $17.45 EVEN THOUGH, ebay immediately takes the taxes back from your sale to their pockets. So at the end of the sale you are left with $3-$4 and the buyer outta pocket paid $17.50.
Another sale of mine and buyer paid $58.25 total and at the end of fees and shipping i got $34. That's nearly 50%
Is this right? Is this right for both buyer and seller. I'm asking the lawyers and lawmakers. Especially the part where ebay CHARGES sellers fees with taxes even tho they immediately takes those back.
Is this right?
Something is off...Fees are too **bleep** high and secretly exploitative.
Shipping is to **bleep** high and only seems to get higher and higher.
ebay fees and other policies are disclosed if you look hard enough, but it looks like you finally saw through the smoke and mirror - Many sellers think ebay takes 13+% of the items price - No, they take 13+% of the ENTIRE TRANSACTION(Items price+Shipping+Taxes) - Which can easily equate to 20%-25%-30% and even more of the items price, which of course is the ONLY profit bearing figure in the transaction.
Yes its there in disclaimer, because they need to have it by law, but there is no doubt in my mind they make it as hard to find as they can for the new and casual sellers - My guess is 90% of the people telling you you should know this, would have or did fall into the same trap in thought or perception that you and other new/casual sellers did before finally questioning the fees...
11-23-2024 07:28 AM
@isaiah53-57 wrote:
@goodspublicauctions wrote:Is it right to charge fees on shipping.
I am being charged !!!15%!!!(14.5%) for EVERY SINGLE SALE. I do auctions so, sometimes my auctions don't do so good and people get a deal at $5-$9 dollars. I charge shipping and I ship through ebay so ebay knows exactly how much is paid for shipping. So when the total comes out to let's say $7 + $8.45 shipping= $15.45 + buyer pays for the taxes. Let's say 2 dollars ebay CHARGES YOU THE 15% FEES AT $17.45 EVEN THOUGH, ebay immediately takes the taxes back from your sale to their pockets. So at the end of the sale you are left with $3-$4 and the buyer outta pocket paid $17.50.
Another sale of mine and buyer paid $58.25 total and at the end of fees and shipping i got $34. That's nearly 50%
Is this right? Is this right for both buyer and seller. I'm asking the lawyers and lawmakers. Especially the part where ebay CHARGES sellers fees with taxes even tho they immediately takes those back.
Is this right?
Something is off...Fees are too **bleep** high and secretly exploitative.
Shipping is to **bleep** high and only seems to get higher and higher.
ebay fees and other policies are disclosed if you look hard enough, but it looks like you finally saw through the smoke and mirror - Many sellers think ebay takes 13+% of the items price - No, they take 13+% of the ENTIRE TRANSACTION(Items price+Shipping+Taxes) - Which can easily equate to 20%-25%-30% and even more of the items price, which of course is the ONLY profit bearing figure in the transaction.
Yes its there in disclaimer, because they need to have it by law, but there is no doubt in my mind they make it as hard to find as they can for the new and casual sellers - My guess is 90% of the people telling you you should know this, would have or did fall into the same trap in thought or perception that you and other new/casual sellers did before finally questioning the fees...
What smoke and mirrors?
It’s right there under the definition of Final Value Fees. No extra clicks needed, not in a smaller font, not as a footnote at the bottom of the page.
I would understand calling it smoke and mirror if you had to click on a link to see what is included in the “total sale amount” or if there was an asterisk sending you to the bottom of the page to learn that the “total sale amount” included sales tax and shipping and handling but it’s right there.
11-23-2024 07:38 AM - edited 11-23-2024 07:40 AM
@isaiah53-57 wrote:
@goodspublicauctions wrote:
Yes its there in disclaimer, because they need to have it by law, but there is no doubt in my mind they make it as hard to find as they can for the new and casual sellers - My guess is 90% of the people telling you you should know this, would have or did fall into the same trap in thought or perception that you and other new/casual sellers did before finally questioning the fees...
A "thought or perception trap"?
😂
11-23-2024 07:42 AM
IF your average shipping charge is $10 .00 your added fee is $1.35. (based on a eBay fee of 13.25% If 1.35 is going to break your bank then you need review what you are selling and/or calculating your selling cost + your expected profit margin before you listing. Then you have no surprises I did that for 41 years on equipment that sold for 5 digits to 200,000 new and about 6K to 70K used. Had a lot of competition from the US 10 brand names, Japan, China and European competitors that had dealer in the US. Market size for new ~ 200K in a good year in a bad yyear 1/2 that and less one time 1981
11-23-2024 07:44 AM
The problem is how you determine the starting price on your Auctions. I sell a lot auction style and the starting price is one that would yield my profit if it only sells on one bid. That starting price also has to include the Fees you will pay eBay. If you print your labels through eBay, use the Calculated shipping setting and are accurate with the weight and estimated box size that you will ship in then the discount eBay gives you on buying the label from them will offset the fees you pay on the shipping end of the transaction.