Selling Horror Story - CPU/Motherboard/RAM combo
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02-02-2020 07:01 PM
Due to the formatting and pictures I submitted the document as an attachment. I blacked out the user ID so that no one would think I'm just putting a buyer on blast, but this is an example of a scam artist and some of the signs to look for when a buyer is trying to pressure you into accepting a return, especially when making false claims that the product is not as described. Give a read and see what you think.
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02-02-2020 07:18 PM
Selling Horror Story - CPU/Motherboard/RAM combo
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02-02-2020 07:31 PM
It's a Word attachment with some photos - nothing lethal.
Unfortunately, ONLY positive FB can be left for a buyer, no matter what.
“The illegal we do immediately, the unconstitutional takes a little longer.” - Henry Kissinger
"Wherever law ends, tyranny begins" -John Locke
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02-02-2020 07:39 PM
This is the unfortunate case and it has lead to so much abuse. In this particular buyer's case they have over 5,000 stars but have never sold anything. Since their account has been strictly as a buyer they never received any negative feedback. This is the perfect playing field for a scam artist.
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02-02-2020 10:09 PM
Never get into a back and forth exchange like that with a buyer. It leads to nowhere. When a problem arises, just say “return for refund.” Although you have chosen No Returns, as is your right, in practice there is really no such thing on eBay. A determined buyer can easily claim Not As Described to overrule that choice. With some kind of return policy, it is much less tempting for a buyer to open a bogus NAD case.
You sell sensitive equipment that requires certain temperatures for functioning and very careful handling, yet you did not even consider that the item indeed may have failed due to improper care while in transit. Since you dropped it off at a third-party shipping site, you have no way of knowing how your package was dealt with before it ever changed hands with the USPS.
It is perfectly credible that the unit was ruined by the time it reached the buyer. Even more so if the package was being boxed up at the first location and then handed over to the postal carrier. The buyer may have been telling the truth. But immediately jumping to the conclusion that the buyer was perpetrating a fraudulent claim prevented proper investigation in finding out what happened. It appears the buyer is guilty of the same mistake, jumping to a conclusion that you were doing the same.
At the point the buyer reported the problem, it would have been better to request they save all packing material in preparation for you to file on the Priority insurance available to eBay sellers. Did you take out additional shipping insurance to protect your interests in case of damage? If so, there is no need for back-and-forth heated exchanges. You simply advise the buyer they will be refunded in full and you file the insurance online. The buyer gets refunded and the PO makes you whole. End of story.
While it is unfortunate that the buyer made an unfounded accusation, it is the seller’s job to remain professional and not get into a name calling, **bleep**-for-tat, devolving exchange. You essentially called him a liar and a scam artist. He accused you of deliberately selling him faulty merchandise. None of that solved the problem and only made matters worse.
“Return for refund“ is the only exchange that makes sense on a platform where the buyer’s interests always come first. It is the best way to deal with a dissatisfied customer. And while it matters in the real world, on eBay it doesn't matter if the buyer is being truthful or making up a story to force a return. The end result is the seller can get hung out to dry. Sellers have to look after their own interests, eBay will not. Here, it is not about fair play or principals, it is about protecting one’s selling account from defects and lowered seller metrics. Ebay will side with the buyer. The seller must know how this game is played.
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02-03-2020 12:02 AM
^^^ Wise words. There is no arguing with these situations, as unfair as it feels and may be.
“The illegal we do immediately, the unconstitutional takes a little longer.” - Henry Kissinger
"Wherever law ends, tyranny begins" -John Locke
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02-03-2020 10:22 AM
I completely agree with most of these points and it is sound advice, but in this particular instance the type of damage the buyer is claiming is not something that the shipping service could have possibly been responsible for. The damage he is claiming to be on my motherboard, which he bought my motherboard to replace another identical one that was fried, has electrical/heat damage. This is the type of thing that happens when a power surge hits a lead on the board through the power supply, if the CPU was being overclocked without proper cooling, or if the board was not being cooled properly over time during operation.
If eBay forces this return and he ships me the faulty board I am just out the $150 and now possess a dead board where he got a free replacement. One could argue that this is the nature of selling on eBay, and if it's true then I will probably quit selling on here altogether. I'm not a business. I'm not set up or prepared to eat costs when someone pulls a stunt like this, and I'm not going to try to pin damage on the shipping service that I know they couldn't have caused. I'm tired of not being able to leave feedback to buyers who try to use this faulty system eBay setup to cover there own mistakes or purposely misuse to get freebies. This is no different than buying a new product from Walmart, taking it home, unboxing the new item while packaging up a broken item to be returned.
This system only works for a business that uses eBay as a storefront where they are insured for this type of thing. The individual is just left hanging out to dry while eBay allows a buyer to lie and steal from them.
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02-03-2020 02:27 PM
I can tell your photos and his photos are very different - it's not the same item. There's no doubt that the returns system here is badly in need of overhauling - although the vast majority of transactions go off without a hitch, one does hear enough of these stories (unfortunately particularly in electronics, it seems) to make one wary of selling in certain categories. I know this doesn't help, but you're totally not alone in this. I've never had a switch yet, but I've had some pretty shady stuff pulled on me. eBay has so many sellers that they don't seem to feel the need to take action on this kind of thing.
One thing, though - one reason to offer a return policy is that if you do get a switch, in a case like this you can deduct 50% for damaged return merchandise - again no help on this, but if you decide to list another item like this. Make sure to report the buyer if you get a switch - this may not be his first rodeo.
“The illegal we do immediately, the unconstitutional takes a little longer.” - Henry Kissinger
"Wherever law ends, tyranny begins" -John Locke
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02-03-2020 04:28 PM
I was involved in a B&M computer store and had my own on-site business for several years after that. In order to prevent switcharoo fraud, we would place security seals in various places on the board, such as on the metal housing for the network adapter. When peeled off, they would leave VOID stuck to whatever they peeled them from and the label was not re-usable. They would also discolor if heated. We had them pre-printed in rolls with our company logo on it along with an SN.
In the terms of sale we stated that any warranty on the item was void if the label was altered or removed.
We would also do other things, like write the store initials in particular spots on the boards with a UV pen(invisible ink).
Not sure how such measures would play out in the roulette wheel of eBay land, though.
