01-17-2022 05:45 AM
I sell used Music CDs. Recently, I've had some Buyers complain about the condition of an item they received. As a 21-year eBayer and former store owner, I watch for red flags. One such flag is a complaint without filing with ebay. When I tell them I only give full refunds when an item is returned, and not partial refunds, they usually stop their complaint. In some cases they return the item and I give a refund. It hardly ever happens, because I have pretty high standards, and my feedback shows it.
Recently a person with 37 feedbacks purchased 9 items from me. I waited a week for him to compile his bundle for the sake of the shipping discount, which I permit. The same day he received the items, he complained about 5 of them on the eBay complaint form. This of course hurts my ratings and I've seen sales drop because of eBay's algorhythm... His complaints were really beyond anything I would ever send out, so I instructed him to send them back, which he did. Three of them were in horrible condition, and of course he said he received them that way. In a back and forth conversation, he bragged that he never had a problem and has bought thousands of CDs on eBay. So, with 37 feedbacks, I'm suspicious that he's returning items that he bought elsewhere. His language in the messaging system is pretty unprofessional, yet he was quick to mail the items back. Three of them were in NO WAY the kind of condition of something I would ever send out and I asked him about handling. The cases weren't cracked, he was quick to mail them back, and I refunded his money because I decided I don't want to deal with this person. I am pretty sure he knows I'm on to his scam, but I really don't know if I should report him without actually knowing his other IDs. Someone with multiple IDs has probably worked this scam before from large dealers who simply refund and don't ask for things back. I require a return to limit the scammer activity, but this happy-talker sneaked through. 3 of the 5 items can be re-listed, but two of them were not in the condition I sent out. I am wondering how to avoid this person trying to scam me again, as he said he wanted to do business in the future, and I of course already had blocked him. He also said he would not leave negative feedback, which to me is a threat in case I report him. It doesn't seem fair that I can't give him bad feedback for the returned-damaged items. I want eBay to investigate him and find out his other IDs, because some of these people are kookoo about revenge when they were wrong in the first place... How should I report this suspicious activity other than in the refund column?
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03-28-2022 08:02 AM
Yeah, I get it soh.mary l but I, as a Seller, get to have rules too: Don't wreck eBay with scamming. Just like dealing with shoplifters when I ran a shop. It's not too much to ask eBay to police their site by discovering reported "buyers" multiple IDs. They have the tech, my former IBM job built some massive servers for them back in the day... cheers, I appreciate the reminder. Time to do some work...
03-28-2022 08:07 AM
"Hello,
I always leave positive feedback for the buyer when I generate a shipping label. If the buyer leaves you any feedback good or bad you are permitted to leave a follow-up comment explaining what happened.
It would at least alert other sellers that have had similar problems with this buyer. It is not is a policy violation because you are only leaving a response to his comments. I believe that is correct, but if anyone wants to verify or deny this statement please speak up."
yes, good practice. I'm glad eBay added the comment function to the feedback section. The guy I was dealing with offered to "not leave nasty feedback" if I cooperated. I gave him the benefit of the doubt, refunded his money, only to discover that he returned JUNKED products that he switched with mine. Even carefully re-wrapping them without cracking the cases. He "confessed" in his messages to me after the fact in the way that he denied wrongdoing, but there was NO WAY I sent out anything like what he returned and he knew I was on to him. Feedback extortion threats are no good either, and that was a huge red flag...
Oh well, people like this are few and far between, thankfully.
03-28-2022 08:13 AM
Do you honestly believe that calling the local PD would accomplish anything?
03-28-2022 08:19 AM
I'm not so much angry as disappointed with the Buyer but it's not worth stewing over too much. I just wanted to encourage Sellers to make it slightly tough to do a refund. Hold people accountable to their actions. "The customer is always right" is a tired phrase and worth a little, but accountability might make a person 'right their ship' as that other saying goes... cheers-- Joseph
03-28-2022 08:28 AM
Can you explain how sellers can make it slightly tough to do a refund?
06-09-2022 11:32 AM
It's not really fair to protect buyers who abuse the system, just because some Sellers abused buyers who left appropriately negative feedback. This can be handled, and is worth the investment by ebay to have people specifically tasked with discerning these things. If eBay wants to hire me to manage such a thing, I'm ready, unless I have to move to the Silicon Valley, which is toxic (I once lived in Oakland...). LOL. have a nice day, I'm sure the Valley is full of good folks too. 🙂
06-09-2022 11:36 AM
You asked: "Can you explain how sellers can make it slightly tough to do a refund? "
Well, if someone is willing to return an item, then there's no need to make anything "tough". If the Buyer is not willing to return something, when the return costs are NOT on them, then a refund should not be issued.
So how do you do this?
make it a part of your listing: returns needed before refund is issued. It's a Seller's right to have a policy that is hard to abuse, even though some folks abuse this site regardless... Are we in it to do it right, or are we just going to take every kick in the gut that this world wants to offer?