Scammers

[jht.enterprises]

Just sold a $820  iPhone 15 to a buyer who's account was created on the day the item is sold. They have zero feedback of course and I'm a little apprehensive about shipping... 😬 Any thoughts? 

[jht.enterprises]

Well it's a factory unlocked phone so they can use any carrier they choose. Many carriers like cricket, mint mobile, boost, etc.. Do not offer free phones and  contracts. 

[stainlessenginecovers]

So pay $25 a month instead of $50, savings of $25mo for 3 years- but takes 3 years to 'break even??

Still makes no sense. 

[jht.enterprises]

I'm confused about your reply. You can't take pictures of the phone when it's factory sealed inside of the box. You would have to open it and it would no longer be a "new" product. I could take photos of the box itself but that's not going to show any damage or defective issues on the phone if the buyer were to Make such a claims. 

[sextons-sweet-deals]

you have feedback of 22,829 vs. the O.P. of 1,586 and you're questioning me rather than helping the O.P. 

[ckimodog]

@jht.enterprises 

Congrats on  your great sale!  These are my thoughts on this sale:

This person could be a guest buyer...

They may provide shipping via freight forwarder...

Since you don't offer returns, which is a BIG mistake here on eBay, you are setting your self up for a possible scam.  The buyer can state that theirs an issue with the phone, & files a return.  Not only will you lose the phone, you'll lost your money as well because you don't accept returns, so it's required to return it. 

Phones, electronics etc. are the most scammed items on the internet as a whole A $117 trillion crisis where virtual stealing is concerned.

Bottom line, if you don't feel comfortable with this sale, you can cancel it for what ever reason you feel is acceptable and appropriate.  Most likely you'll get a ding on your account for cancelling...don't make it a habit.  

I personally would NEVER sell anything of that value on this or any other site.  Sell it locally for cash.  That way you have the cash in hand.  

This all I can suggest for now.  Be careful.

Happy Selling

[jht.enterprises]

Thanks for your input. The reason I'm using  stock catalog photos is because the phone is factory sealed and a box, so I would not be able to provide photos of the phone itself only the box. I also feel that some buyers may feel more comfortable with stock photos rather than a photo of the product sitting on a kitchen countertop or something...  Seems more professional to me 🤷

[reallynicestamps]

Make a photo of the box on the "kitchen table" to show you actually have it.

Use stock photos to show what is in the box.

[jht.enterprises]

I'm pretty sure if a buyer files a item damaged, defective, or not matching listing details, eBay well then send a message to the seller (me) giving you a choice to accept a return or refund the buyer. In that situation I would accept the return as I would not refund the money and also allow them to keep the phone. 

[ckimodog]

@jht.enterprises 

Correction...not required to return the phone if you don't accept returns. Sorry...a bit tired today.  

Good luck what ever you decide.

[doc-holmes]

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@ckimodog wrote:

@jht.enterprises 

Congrats on  your great sale!  These are my thoughts on this sale:

This person could be a guest buyer...

They may provide shipping via freight forwarder...

Since you don't offer returns, which is a BIG mistake here on eBay, you are setting your self up for a possible scam.  The buyer can state that theirs an issue with the phone, & files a return.  Not only will you lose the phone, you'll lost your money as well because you don't accept returns, so it's required to return it. 

Phones, electronics etc. are the most scammed items on the internet as a whole A $117 trillion crisis where virtual stealing is concerned.

Bottom line, if you don't feel comfortable with this sale, you can cancel it for what ever reason you feel is acceptable and appropriate.  Most likely you'll get a ding on your account for cancelling...don't make it a habit.  

I personally would NEVER sell anything of that value on this or any other site.  Sell it locally for cash.  That way you have the cash in hand.  

This all I can suggest for now.  Be careful.

Happy Selling

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What? If the buyer claims there's an issue with the phone they aren't required to return it if there's a no return policy? Where are you getting this? They are ALWAYS required to return on a not described claim, regardless of return policy. 

[jht.enterprises]

I know you can be scammed with just about everything but People keep saying that it's risky or that you shouldn't sell expensive phones on eBay, but I mean.. there's literally hundreds of thousands of them for sale on here... 🤷

[fashunu4eeuh]

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@doc-holmes wrote:

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@ckimodog wrote:

@jht.enterprises 

Congrats on  your great sale!  These are my thoughts on this sale:

This person could be a guest buyer...

They may provide shipping via freight forwarder...

Since you don't offer returns, which is a BIG mistake here on eBay, you are setting your self up for a possible scam.  The buyer can state that theirs an issue with the phone, & files a return.  Not only will you lose the phone, you'll lost your money as well because you don't accept returns, so it's required to return it. 

Phones, electronics etc. are the most scammed items on the internet as a whole A $117 trillion crisis where virtual stealing is concerned.

Bottom line, if you don't feel comfortable with this sale, you can cancel it for what ever reason you feel is acceptable and appropriate.  Most likely you'll get a ding on your account for cancelling...don't make it a habit.  

I personally would NEVER sell anything of that value on this or any other site.  Sell it locally for cash.  That way you have the cash in hand.  

This all I can suggest for now.  Be careful.

Happy Selling

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What? If the buyer claims there's an issue with the phone they aren't required to return it if there's a no return policy? Where are you getting this? They are ALWAYS required to return on a not described claim, regardless of return policy. 

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I think what @ckimodog is referring to is the unwritten-yet-practiced act of no return required when eBay “steps in” to solve the issue. But this is only if the seller does not accept the return in the opened case, forcing eBay to “step in”. In that circumstance, eBay often does not require that the buyer must return the item for a No Returns seller. It happens.

It happened to me once when i was the buyer. eBay gave me the refund snd told me to keep the goods. I sent the dress back on my own dime because i disagree with the practice.

[jht.enterprises]

Look I'm not here to explain why people make the decisions that they do 🤣🤣🤣 but it's like owning a car. Some people don't want to be bound to a contract and want to own the car outright. Others may like the idea of  leasing or trading in their car every couple years for another one. Kind of the same way with phones. Also if you actually own the phone, you have the option to resell it later.on. 🤷

[doc-holmes]

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@fashunu4eeuh wrote:

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@doc-holmes wrote:

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@ckimodog wrote:

@jht.enterprises 

Congrats on  your great sale!  These are my thoughts on this sale:

This person could be a guest buyer...

They may provide shipping via freight forwarder...

Since you don't offer returns, which is a BIG mistake here on eBay, you are setting your self up for a possible scam.  The buyer can state that theirs an issue with the phone, & files a return.  Not only will you lose the phone, you'll lost your money as well because you don't accept returns, so it's required to return it. 

Phones, electronics etc. are the most scammed items on the internet as a whole A $117 trillion crisis where virtual stealing is concerned.

Bottom line, if you don't feel comfortable with this sale, you can cancel it for what ever reason you feel is acceptable and appropriate.  Most likely you'll get a ding on your account for cancelling...don't make it a habit.  

I personally would NEVER sell anything of that value on this or any other site.  Sell it locally for cash.  That way you have the cash in hand.  

This all I can suggest for now.  Be careful.

Happy Selling

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What? If the buyer claims there's an issue with the phone they aren't required to return it if there's a no return policy? Where are you getting this? They are ALWAYS required to return on a not described claim, regardless of return policy. 

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I think what @ckimodog is referring to is the unwritten-yet-practiced act of no return required when eBay “steps in” to solve the issue. But this is only if the seller does not accept the return in the opened case, forcing eBay to “step in”. In that circumstance, eBay often does not require that the buyer must return the item for a No Returns seller. It happens.

It happened to me once when i was the buyer. eBay gave me the refund snd told me to keep the goods. I sent the dress back on my own dime because i disagree with the practice.

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That makes more sense, but that's not how it comes across. Why even bring up the no returns policy in this case then? It plays zero part in it. 

[jht.enterprises]

Not sure who was saying it originally but yeah, my no returns policy would not impact anything because I would not let it reach the point for eBay has to step in 🙄. Anyways I'm just going to cancel the order and say item out of stock