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SELLERS WERE BUYERS TOO !

    First and foremost, as a seller for 10 years, find Ebay " Seller Protection " marketing hogwash ! There is nothing verified or investigated in a claim / case,  just the word of the buyer is considered. As long as they claim " Not As Described ", even with a " No Returns Accepted " policy, you will be providing a refund and even paying return shipping, regardless. It is at the buyers discretion to be honest enough to actually send back the original item sent or a box of rocks. As soon as Ebay sees that the shipment has been delivered, refund is processed.

    Ebay no longer use any messages / communications you may have trying to resolve matters on your own. These communications may include such things as admittance to remorse purchasing ( lack of knowledge of product / research for application ), opening, using and even offering to accept a partial refund just prior to opening case.

     Appeal process is actually reiterating messages of the outcome of your case from one of many different CS Reps that haven't a clue what has already been discussed.  The first line will start with how sorry they feel about the outcome, but they do understand your frustrations. The second paragraph in their response will insult your intelligence by telling you how to better run your business with projected loses, block buyers and / or report them. This doesn't pay the bills, nor does it do anything to help other sellers.

     Now the important part, " Sellers were Buyers Too " ! I have decided that if Ebay's policy is " Customer always right " and it doesn't cost them a thing for fraudulent claims and refunds ( won't properly review ), then this buyer will make my purchases elsewhere. In their efforts for marketing to new buyers, they have lost one that has been here for years.

      In most cases ( mine and very few  ), buyers that abuse the policies account for less than a dozen purchases in a year ( check their feedback and purchase history when evaluating problems ), usually low cost items and minimal feedback scores. On the other hand, I used to make multiple purchases sometimes daily. Not anymore and that is lost revenue. Do the math, Ebay !

      Conclusion / Suggestion:

          1 ) Enforce my right to a " No Return " policy and allow me to handle my customers on a case by case basis.  I had less issues with my customers and they have an option to buy elsewhere.

          2 ) Investigate claims / cases more thoroughly, including communications between buyers and sellers prior to making hasty one-sided decisions.

          3 ) Allow Sellers the " Right to Refuse service " / block buyers in buyer requirements with new restrictions based on their frequency of cases and / or returns. Also would like to be able to raise my minimum feedback scores. Let somebody else educate / train the new ones. 

          4 ) Ebay be more informative, proactive and transparent on their enforcement of the violations / violators. It is easy to see if reported buyer is still operating as usual. Just check activity in feedback or listed items.

          5 ) If you are a buyer as well as a seller, use that purchasing power ( or lack of ) to insist on a level playing field and better service / policies from Ebay.

Thank you for your time,

   

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Not sure what your saying here, I mean your saying a lot of things, are one of the things is that people are stealing your items and your not getting them back when returned in good condition? Are people out right ripping you off and ebay is not making good on your loss? I mean if that is the case what in the world are you doing still being with ebay? why dont you leave? You could sell your items some where else, just asking for your main point because it freaks me out when I get a buyer for an item over 50 dollars with a score of 0 you got to wonder are you about to get ripped off, so I have been sending those priority mail because of the fact that I might be able to file a claim if the party says there was nothing in the package. Some people here say that getting ripped off is a normal part of ebay, you have some good ideas, good luck, maybe you can change policy, keep trying.
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     The simplified message I am trying to convey, is that we ( Sellers ) can show our discontent for practices / policies by limiting purchases ( as Buyers ). Revenue  or lack of will always get their attention. Would they rather have new buyers at the sacrifice of loyal sellers that are also buyers ?

      Sorry you feel the need to send priority mail and spend extra money doing so. Ultimately, you can send out any amount of item value with any service.  Buyer can simply use " Item not as described " case, Ebay will favor the buyer ( unless the admits to remorse ) , send them return label ( at your cost ) and when item arrives ( tracking shows delivered ) provide buyer with a refund. It doesn't matter what the condition and / or contents of the package returned. Ebay's response is that your claims cannot be verified, but you can report the buyer. That cost Ebay absolutely nothing. If they had to cover,  even a portion of the loss, they would reconsider their practice.

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Hi,

I just wanted to add my story, as others may be experiencing similar issues with returns.  I sell new clothing.  Buyers purchase an item and then message me saying that it was too small or that their Hubby didn't like it.  Fine; no problem.  Buyer pays the return shipping.  I'm happy to accept the return.  My listing states that in the event of a return, Buyer pays return shipping and Original shipping is non-refundable.  It also states to ask all questions prior to buying.  I am happy to give any measurements or answer any questions a Buyer may have.

 

However, the buyer then clicks on Return Item and chooses the reason for the return as being "item was not as described" (which is not true).  In this case, the buyer will get free return shipping as ruled by Ebay, and I will have to reimburse them for their original shipping charge.  If not, Ebay takes the money directly out of my account.

 

I am now out $10 because the customer ordered the wrong size.

There is nothing I can do about it.

Ebay states that it is based on the reason that the buyer chooses.  In this case, an erroneous reason.  Even though I show Ebay the email message the Buyer sent me stating they ordered too small of a size.   The Buyer is always right.

 

Buyers have become savvy and I don't think it is an accident that they choose the wrong reason.  

 

I'm getting lots of returns due to Buyers not knowing what size they wear.  This is supposed to be called Buyer Remorse, but Buyers have ways of getting around it.  

 

Consequently, I'm slowly phasing out of Ebay.  I've had it.  Too many glitches and issues that I can do nothing about.  I can't afford to list on Ebay anymore.  Too bad. 

 

I will find another way.

Good Luck to all of you sellers out there having issues with returns and more.  I truly wish you the best!

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is this true? eBay gives refund automatic even if item arrives as box of rocks,etc. in other words they refund without a chance to give final approval from seller that the actual item was returned is that right?
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As to what your saying as far as sellers not buying to protest,it's been happening maybe not out of protest but from uncertainty,i keep up with sellers that have bought from me to resell (wish i could use names) 1 in particular has been panic selling for months they used to purchase and sell the items they bought from me at a considerable profit,this is apparent in the buyers from 02-present most are buyers only not seller/buyers the one i used as an example is a 30000 complete pro i kept up most of all with this one because i was so impressed with them,the reasons are to long and controversial,we know this market enough to smell the coffee,no need to do what your saying it's been happening from cause effect,happy sellers make happy buyers,punishment and pain business philosophy is already coming from the people in charge at eBay they don't need are help they are doing just fine.
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With a no return policy - they'll make up excuses to return. People who have a no return poicy usually don't sell in categories where problems may arise. People that sell clothing ect will see an increase in SNADs for buyer's remorse.

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"Revenue  or lack of will always get their attention. Would they rather have new buyers at the sacrifice of loyal sellers that are also buyers ?"

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Attracting new customers is the lifeblood of all businesses.

Without new customers, all businesses will fade away.

 

And the vast majority of loyal sellers, have already realized all the complaints made in this thread, and factored them into their business plans here.

 

Thanks,

Lynn


Lynn

You love me for everything you hate me for


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@Anonymous wrote:

Hi,

I just wanted to add my story, as others may be experiencing similar issues with returns.  I sell new clothing.  Buyers purchase an item and then message me saying that it was too small or that their Hubby didn't like it.  Fine; no problem.  Buyer pays the return shipping.  I'm happy to accept the return.  My listing states that in the event of a return, Buyer pays return shipping and Original shipping is non-refundable.  It also states to ask all questions prior to buying.  I am happy to give any measurements or answer any questions a Buyer may have.

 

However, the buyer then clicks on Return Item and chooses the reason for the return as being "item was not as described" (which is not true).  In this case, the buyer will get free return shipping as ruled by Ebay, and I will have to reimburse them for their original shipping charge.  If not, Ebay takes the money directly out of my account.

 

I am now out $10 because the customer ordered the wrong size.

There is nothing I can do about it.

Ebay states that it is based on the reason that the buyer chooses.  In this case, an erroneous reason.  Even though I show Ebay the email message the Buyer sent me stating they ordered too small of a size.   The Buyer is always right.

 

Buyers have become savvy and I don't think it is an accident that they choose the wrong reason.  

 

I'm getting lots of returns due to Buyers not knowing what size they wear.  This is supposed to be called Buyer Remorse, but Buyers have ways of getting around it.  

 

Consequently, I'm slowly phasing out of Ebay.  I've had it.  Too many glitches and issues that I can do nothing about.  I can't afford to list on Ebay anymore.  Too bad. 

 

I will find another way.

Good Luck to all of you sellers out there having issues with returns and more.  I truly wish you the best!


With all due respect, a few thoughts here:

 

Clothing can be problematic and prone to a higher rate of returns. 

While you mention buyers can ask questions, if you put all the info a buyer needs to make an informed buying decision in the listing, you may increase your sales and lower your return rate.  Many buyers don't bother to ask questions because they can just go to another listing where the seller has put needed info in the listing and doesn't expect the buyer to have to ask questions.  I mention this because you say you will give them measurements if they ask.  But many sellers include that info in their listing.  And buyers may be clicking on not as described because the description was lacking that information.

 

Of course, even with all the info needed in a description, buyers may still choose a SNAD return when it is buyer's remorse but hopefully that info may lessen the chances of that happening.  I understand your frustration and I'm sorry this has been happening to you.

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I am now out $10 because the customer ordered the wrong size.

There is nothing I can do about it.

 

Maybe try putting measurements in your listings? That would certainly help ensure people get the right size.

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@18704d wrote:

 

"Revenue  or lack of will always get their attention. Would they rather have new buyers at the sacrifice of loyal sellers that are also buyers ?"

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Attracting new customers is the lifeblood of all businesses.

Without new customers, all businesses will fade away.

 

And the vast majority of loyal sellers, have already realized all the complaints made in this thread, and factored them into their business plans here.

 

Thanks,

Lynn


Also, those new buyers may, at some point, also turn to selling.  And thus the circle of life continues...

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Returns for " defective " and " item not as described ", cannot be verified by Ebay. Neither condition or contents can be verified as well. The seller protection is mere marketing to add confidence to the unknowing new sellers. Sellers have the option to voluntarily refund the buyer with return shipping cost as well or Ebay will take it out of your account.
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is this true? eBay gives refund automatic even if item arrives as box of rocks,etc. in other words they refund without a chance to give final approval from seller that the actual item was returned is that right?

 

Yes, and in many instances the seller has to pay to get that proverbial  box of rocks back.  

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@Anonymous wrote:

Hi,

I just wanted to add my story, as others may be experiencing similar issues with returns.  I sell new clothing.  Buyers purchase an item and then message me saying that it was too small or that their Hubby didn't like it.  Fine; no problem.  Buyer pays the return shipping.  I'm happy to accept the return.  My listing states that in the event of a return, Buyer pays return shipping and Original shipping is non-refundable.  It also states to ask all questions prior to buying.  I am happy to give any measurements or answer any questions a Buyer may have.

 

However, the buyer then clicks on Return Item and chooses the reason for the return as being "item was not as described" (which is not true).  In this case, the buyer will get free return shipping as ruled by Ebay, and I will have to reimburse them for their original shipping charge.  If not, Ebay takes the money directly out of my account.

 

I am now out $10 because the customer ordered the wrong size.

There is nothing I can do about it.

Ebay states that it is based on the reason that the buyer chooses.  In this case, an erroneous reason.  Even though I show Ebay the email message the Buyer sent me stating they ordered too small of a size.   The Buyer is always right.

 

Buyers have become savvy and I don't think it is an accident that they choose the wrong reason.  

 

I'm getting lots of returns due to Buyers not knowing what size they wear.  This is supposed to be called Buyer Remorse, but Buyers have ways of getting around it.  

 

Consequently, I'm slowly phasing out of Ebay.  I've had it.  Too many glitches and issues that I can do nothing about.  I can't afford to list on Ebay anymore.  Too bad. 

 

I will find another way.

Good Luck to all of you sellers out there having issues with returns and more.  I truly wish you the best!


No matter where you go - you are going to have problems - no site is 100% problem free - but looking at your listings - you don't put any measurements in and that's a sure way to get returns because even the most honest customers has no measurements to even consider how it will fit once received.

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OP - you are saying right in the listing - you are buying used lots and have no idea what the items are or if they work. These should be listed as non working items if they haven't been tested. Listing as used means the item works but that it has just been used previously.

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