07-10-2017 06:55 PM
So, i have a new item i posted up today but when i do a search for it, mine does not come up.
It has the same words as another seller and still does not show up.
search: Legendary fantastic four (you get other sellers)
now, if i search Marvel fantastic four legendary then i show up.
I dont understand why i dont show up with fantastic four legendary?
07-11-2017 05:42 AM
@the*dog*ate*my*tablecloth wrote:implicit category navigation is costing sellers AND EBAY a ton of money. I don't know why they think showing buyers only partial search results is financially smart.
And what happens if 60% of the items are in the wrong category? Does ebay then think that the wrong category is now the correct one to search thru and show only those 60%? Or does it eliminate those 60% of the listings?
07-11-2017 07:15 AM
@the*dog*ate*my*tablecloth wrote:implicit category navigation is costing sellers AND EBAY a ton of money. I don't know why they think showing buyers only partial search results is financially smart.
After this came up in that Chat.......the Blue and I had an email discussion and the upshot was it was to "enhance the buyer experience to cut down on the # of results shown". Never made any sense to me and still doesn't as every one I've seen has search results of less than 25....... I made the argument to him that if the search results were less than 50, ALL the results should be shown...... (since it was obvious the program was going to be used). They would look into that........back in 2015....
07-11-2017 08:06 AM - edited 07-11-2017 08:08 AM
@dhbookds wrote:From what I can see........for that search they are pulling from
Contemporary ManufactureCategory..........yours is in other CCG cat.and it looks like most sold are from the Contemp Mfg Category.........If you change cats I think you will show up...........
This is your answer. I found the same results as above. This is what many sellers experience. This will also get more refined in the coming months.
Once an established listing for an item gets indexed, this is what the bots consider the correct cat/subcat and until more sales come for the same item outside this cat/subcat it will stay this way or perhaps you can convince CS to make a change.
It is important to do some research when listing new. Soon when they get the cataloged view up and running, it should become easier to use the eBay preferred cats/subcats. Until then consider using sell similair from a listing that is already active, but be very careful to make all the changes to your info before submiting for active listings.
Good Luck Selling!
07-11-2017 08:31 AM
Can you come up with a "reason" for this? I can usually accept what ebay does, if I can figure out WHY......this one has buffaloed me since 2015......
07-11-2017 09:13 AM
This is a new listing. It can take a day or so to get fully indexed. However, I would change the title to have the brand first. Think like a buyer. How would you search for this item if you were looking for it? Cassini picks up the first 3-4 words searched by the buyer. The rest of the words will come up, but if the other words are first instead of the important words, you will be down the list.
This is what I have found testing this myself. Title needs to be EXACTLY what the item is in the first few words with brand first if a popular brand. Put important words in your item specifics too. When ever you change your title around, it takes time again for the listing to get indexed.
Marvel fantastic four legendary (should be first words in title) My Opinion Only. Try it and see.
07-11-2017 09:18 AM
@dhbookds wrote:
Can you come up with a "reason" for this? I can usually accept what ebay does, if I can figure out WHY......this one has buffaloed me since 2015......
@dhbookds I am not sure I can explain what I understand but let me try this way. Take a few steps back and forget about buyers and sellers. Keep in mind all these changes are really for new items with attributes that can be matched to other listings. The unique part for eBay is that they are a vibrant marketplace for used, antique, collectible, OOAK and lots of other items without these attributes.
Just focus on a new item being listed for the first time on eBay/ Amazon.
With the new cataloged approach, the idea is that all items listed after this first one will also share some info like
So now eBay has a new listing and they have made all the data research rankings and the listing is fully vetted by eBay for inclusion for a
Now another seller comes along and wants to list the same item. They can start from scratch or ebay can direct them (soon to come) to the listing already in place and fully vetted. This latter process will save the new seller from lots of duplicate work and eBay from vetting this new listing top to bottom because much of it has already been done. The seller will benefit from using mobile devices to list items much easier when all of this is completed and in place.
Buyers will enjoy a much better search result from the combined same item attributes and will be able to find the right seller based on what is important to them (price?, condition, item location, shipping charges, etc what ever each buyer finds important they will be able to easily find a comparison of the most important attributes to the item.
The hard part to do all of this is not really with new items that have the info already. It is with antiques, collectibles, OOAK items. All the items eBay wants to keep but needs to find a way for the new cataloged approach will still work. This area is really where eBay will stand out from other marketplaces that use this same approach, and this does look like the future as I am seeing more of the big boys start to align there platforms in this manner.
Selling on eBay should not be as hard as it is now, and especially for newer sellers to figure out and understand the reasoning behind all the different aspects. We are going to lose some previleges that we have enjoyed in order to make all this work and also work within the mobile shopping future that is hard to get the layout to work on all the different devices and user abilities.
I do not know how it will all end, but I do see why they are doing many things in preparation for something yet to be announced or released.
Good Luck Selling!
07-11-2017 09:19 AM
PS: Dont forget to put all those words in your description first. Marvel fantastic four legendary
And as noted, if you have this item in the wrong category, it can hurt you.
07-11-2017 09:35 AM
@cynic-cards-and-games wrote:
I dont understand why i dont show up with fantastic four legendary?
Your search terms are falling victim to eBay's category switching.
eBay's search will sometimes change the category for a search. It has been doing this for quite sometime now.
Once upon a time this only happened when the search terms contained the entire category name, but it appears they have expanded this to other situations.
IMHO this is exceedingly frustrating and rarely helps my searches. I have taught myself to check the category after a search and switch it back to 'All Categories', but that obviously will not help other people find your listing.
07-11-2017 09:42 AM
I did a search with your first 3 words:
FANTASTIC FOUR LEGENDARY
You're the 10th item down
07-11-2017 05:09 PM
Thanks.......I do understand what you are saying and agree that's where things are headed.........
But just can't see WHY they are excluding things from search because of the category choice. I tried a sell on Legendary fantastic four, and the "chosen" category came up first......but there were others tho the ops was not among the choices........
Ah, well, lots of things I don't understand, but have learned to live with........thanks for your time!
07-11-2017 05:31 PM
@d-k_treasures wrote:Did you read the OP?It does come up when searched with Marvel, and doesn't if they don't include it.
YES, I read the OP. It only makes sense when you are searching for a Marvel item that you as a buyer would type the word you are looking for (MARVEL). As a seller it is a MUST that you learn to put in your title the most common things a buyer would type to find your items.
07-11-2017 09:31 PM
@7606dennis wrote:I've always found it amazing that you can search using the precise wording of the title and the listing isn't found. Sometimes the gods of eBay, especially the one called Casini, are petty and cruel.
Me and a CS rep were in total amazement once. I was doing a search and I was trying to look up a book called "Children of other lands". I got 0 results for active, sold, and completed. I had already gotten hits for it weeks earlier. We both got 0 results,
Then I decided to look up the illustrator an got about 40 hits with about 12 with "Children of other lands" in the title. The rep was dumb founded. We both started mixing up the keywords and we got up to 30 hits. While the rep was talking to me, I typed up "Children ofotherlands" by accident and got over 60 hits and he ended up getting the same results.
I took eBay over 6 months too fix it.
07-12-2017 07:41 AM
@dhbookds wrote:
Thanks.......I do understand what you are saying and agree that's where things are headed.........
But just can't see WHY they are excluding things from search because of the category choice. I tried a sell on Legendary fantastic four, and the "chosen" category came up first......but there were others tho the ops was not among the choices........
Ah, well, lots of things I don't understand, but have learned to live with........thanks for your time!
I understand the confusion, and I certainly do not know the exact reason why. My guess is this - Because eBay has lots of data that says do these certain things because it supports a better buying and selling experience and having a long term direction in place
I am going to assume that narrowing the focus of the buyer to a direct category results in better conversion. If a keyword search brings up a lot of listings and eBay already knows from data collected over 20 years that buyers generally only looks at a couple of pages of items before changing the search filters (lowest price, newly listed, etc) or bouncing out of the search entirely, keeping buyers focused on a specific category, seems like a good plan to create a successful transaction. I think we are also going to see a lot of listing trunicated (not all items will show in all search results for this item) controversial user agreement policy article in place now for a few years (just before the release of Cassini) was there well ahead of time for a reason. Certainly not just to get a bunch of bad mouthing but to make sure everyone could have the opportunity to be aware of this policy.
We can agree or disagree to the chosen category for any item but if eBay is directing both buyers and sellers in this one direction then most of the items will be in the same area which should benefit both buyers and sellers. If the search result does not return many items due to the default category for an item, I think eBay should look wider into the product pool and bring make as many good fit items (assembled from item specifics, and attributes) as possible, and I know this will bring up the search engine is stupid and gave me this item or that item in my search which is not what I searched for, but for low search returns similar item inclusion I think is better than low search returns.
In a lot of ways, the entire concept goes back to an early metric which really focused on bounce out rate and although they are very important to watch, what is more important is how long can we keep this user engaged before the bounce out happens? I seems to make sense to me that the longer they can keep a user engaged ( this words is golden to the entire new direction) the better conversion rate they can deliver for sellers.
Yes this means
all of these things might need to be refined so buyers can go to a path and follow it farther to create better conversion opportunities for the sellers, which creates revenue for the marketplace.
We sellers see a bigger pictures than just a buyer. experienced Buyer/seller often look at things from a sellers perspective, but the general buyer who is searching from there phone on lunch break is not thinking about all the items eBay might not be showing them based on there search results. They are focused on seeing of they are willing to buy from the items eBay presented them.
Good Luck Selling!
We are always talking about how difficult eBay is and the changes that baffle many, and I see this new direction as a narrowing of the choices ( we are going to lose some choices we are accustomed to) in an effort to create an easier flow for both buyers and sellers.
Good Luck Selling!
07-12-2017 11:04 AM
@coolections wrote:
@d-k_treasures wrote:Did you read the OP?It does come up when searched with Marvel, and doesn't if they don't include it.
YES, I read the OP. It only makes sense when you are searching for a Marvel item that you as a buyer would type the word you are looking for (MARVEL). As a seller it is a MUST that you learn to put in your title the most common things a buyer would type to find your items.
In what universe does it possibly make sense that when adding an extra word to the 3 that are already in the title, it shows up, but doesn't show up when you only search for 3 words that are already in the title?
07-12-2017 11:12 AM
There is no universe in which this brainless "intelligent" search makes sense