Received a warning for cancelling my item

[fortyfive2life]

I had an item listed for sale, and didn't have much interest after a couple weeks (1 offer, but it was too low).  So I pulled the listing tonight, and immediately received a warning email from Ebay about selling outside of Ebay.

I'm not selling outside of Ebay, and I have no intention to.  In fact, I get offers to do so and always turn them down; I won't even ship to an address that is not the verified PayPal address, and I always require a signature. 

Most of the few items I sell are pretty expensive, and I don't take the risk.  But it's a little ridiculous that as soon as I cancel an item, Ebay decides I'm selling off the site and warns me.  The email says "at this time, no restrictions are being placed on your account".  Fantastic.  So if I list another item and in a couple weeks decide to cancel it, will it be different?

I really wish there was a good alternative to Ebay.  I've sold thousands of dollars worth of items just as most of you have, and Ebay has profited greatly from it.  I appreciate the opportunity to reach a lot of potential buyers, but not the strong-arm tactics.

Thanks for letting me vent.  First world problems right?

[nowthatsjustducky]

And how are they going to get each other's contact info without the seller relisting and the buyer buying from that listing?

[myangelandmyprincess]

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@kattinsanity wrote:

When they contact a member who previously made an offer  that  they will take 2900 freaking dollars on an item that is no longer even listed it is "initiating an off ebay sale".  OP told the "buyer" he wouldn't take less than 2900 when the buyer made his FIRST OFFER OF 2400.  His next contact with the "buyer" was AFTER he ended the listing.  No offer, counter offer or any contact should have been made by the seller to the "buyer" after he chose to end the listing.

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Again post 131.  The op says the first offer 2500 was an official eBay offer they declined. The buyer then sent a message offering 2700 op didn't not intially respond.  The op then responded later to that messaging saying they couldn't take less than 2900. 

No contact info exchanged   Op responding to offer buyer made through messages

[kattinsanity]

The "couldn't take less than 2900" came AFTER the members FIRST offer of 2400 bucks.  The member came back with a 2700 buck offer that the OP didn't respond to.  The OP THEN ended the listing and THEN contacted the member offering to sell it to him for 2900 bucks.  You CAN NOT make an offer to sell an item for ANY amount of money when you have already ended the listing or the listing has timed out on its own.

OK~~so my listing for whatever got an offer of 20 bucks. I decided to end the listing or it timed out.  After a few days I had regrets so I contacted the member who offered me 20 bucks and offered to sell it to them for 25 bucks.  The listing  was not active since I already ended the listing or it timed out BUT here I am offering to sell it to the member who offered me 20 bucks.  Do you think I'm going to be in trouble for offering to sell that item after the listing has already ended?  Darn right I am~~I'm initiating an off ebay sale.  If  I wanted to do it legit, I would just relist it for 25 bucks and MAYBE that person would buy it at 25 bucks~~maybe not.  The OP made the offer to the other member while the item was NO LONGER listed on ebay. 

I challenge any of you to take an item you had an offer for that has already ended  and contact that member who made the offer and offer to sell it to them for whatever price you choose.  Ebays going to be on you like a fly on ---- for trying to make an off ebay sale.  Anyone want to take me up on that challenge?

[kattinsanity]

trinton@ebay~~what is your opinion on this?

[moondogblues]

katt...you may want to write down a lil timeline on the action, you are confusing yourself and probably every one else. And you are being combative also, maybe take a deep breath?

[missjen831]

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@kattinsanity wrote:

The "couldn't take less than 2900" came AFTER the members FIRST offer of 2400 bucks.  The member came back with a 2700 buck offer that the OP didn't respond to.  The OP THEN ended the listing and THEN contacted the member offering to sell it to him for 2900 bucks.  You CAN NOT make an offer to sell an item for ANY amount of money when you have already ended the listing or the listing has timed out on its own.

OK~~so my listing for whatever got an offer of 20 bucks. I decided to end the listing or it timed out.  After a few days I had regrets so I contacted the member who offered me 20 bucks and offered to sell it to them for 25 bucks.  The listing  was not active since I already ended the listing or it timed out BUT here I am offering to sell it to the member who offered me 20 bucks.  Do you think I'm going to be in trouble for offering to sell that item after the listing has already ended?  Darn right I am~~I'm initiating an off ebay sale.  If  I wanted to do it legit, I would just relist it for 25 bucks and MAYBE that person would buy it at 25 bucks~~maybe not.  The OP made the offer to the other member while the item was NO LONGER listed on ebay. 

I challenge any of you to take an item you had an offer for that has already ended  and contact that member who made the offer and offer to sell it to them for whatever price you choose.  Ebays going to be on you like a fly on ---- for trying to make an off ebay sale.  Anyone want to take me up on that challenge?

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You seem to have forgotten that the buyer is the one who made all the offers and the seller responded to the final one by saying he couldn't take less than $2900. So your challenge is backwards. The seller here wasn't the one making offers. The buyer was. You are challenging sellers to make offers. 

[kattinsanity]

I don't believe I have anything backwards.  I went back and read the OP's posts again.  The OP didn't "respond to the last one saying he couldn't take less than 2900".   That response was made when the OP received the FIRST 2400 offer.

Then the "member" made a 2700 offer and the OP didn't even respond to that offer.  After a few days of receiving that 2700 offer the OP decided to end the listing.  That 2700 offer had already timed out before the OP ended the listing.  So now, the listing has been ended and the item is no longer available for sale.

THEN a few days after ending the listing THE OP decides to contact that member again offering his bottom line 2900 sale price on the item he has already ended the listing for.  That member didn't contact the OP making the 2900 offer~~the OP contacted that member still offering it for sale even though it is no longer listed.

If the OP had decided to drop the price he should have just relisted it at that price and ONLY THEN contacted that member letting him know the item was still for sale at the reduced price.

If it had been the MEMBER who had contacted the OP and said he was willing to pay the 2900 then the OP could have relisted it for the BIN price of 2900 and all would have been fine BUT it was not ok for the OP to end the listing as no longer available for sale and then contacting the member offering to sell it to him.  THAT is where ebay saw it as the OP trying to make an "off ebay" sale~~offering something for sale that was no longer even listed to a member who had shown prior interest in the item.

Yes, after an item is no longer for sale on ebay it belongs to the owner to do with as he pleases.  If you go back and read the screenshots of the policies I posted you will find it is against ebay policy to use ebay in any way to find buyers for your items after they are no longer for sale on ebay.  THAT is exactly what the OP did by contacting the "member" who had made previous offers trying to sell it to him AFTER he had already ended the listing.  The policy I posted also states ebay CAN charge the OP final value fees whether he sold the item to that member or not~~the OP's "guilt" started when he ended the listing and then contacted the member still trying to sell it to him.

I wasn't trying to be "combative".  I was only trying to see if any of the posters who believe the OP was "wronged" would be willing to do the same thing the OP did without expecting for the same thing to happen to them as what happened to the OP.

[myangelandmyprincess]

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@kattinsanity wrote:

I don't believe I have anything backwards.  I went back and read the OP's posts again.  The OP didn't "respond to the last one saying he couldn't take less than 2900".   That response was made when the OP received the FIRST 2400 offer.

Then the "member" made a 2700 offer and the OP didn't even respond to that offer.  After a few days of receiving that 2700 offer the OP decided to end the listing.  That 2700 offer had already timed out before the OP ended the listing.  So now, the listing has been ended and the item is no longer available for sale.

THEN a few days after ending the listing THE OP decides to contact that member again offering his bottom line 2900 sale price on the item he has already ended the listing for.  That member didn't contact the OP making the 2900 offer~~the OP contacted that member still offering it for sale even though it is no longer listed.

If the OP had decided to drop the price he should have just relisted it at that price and ONLY THEN contacted that member letting him know the item was still for sale at the reduced price.

If it had been the MEMBER who had contacted the OP and said he was willing to pay the 2900 then the OP could have relisted it for the BIN price of 2900 and all would have been fine BUT it was not ok for the OP to end the listing as no longer available for sale and then contacting the member offering to sell it to him.  THAT is where ebay saw it as the OP trying to make an "off ebay" sale~~offering something for sale that was no longer even listed to a member who had shown prior interest in the item.

Yes, after an item is no longer for sale on ebay it belongs to the owner to do with as he pleases.  If you go back and read the screenshots of the policies I posted you will find it is against ebay policy to use ebay in any way to find buyers for your items after they are no longer for sale on ebay.  THAT is exactly what the OP did by contacting the "member" who had made previous offers trying to sell it to him AFTER he had already ended the listing.  The policy I posted also states ebay CAN charge the OP final value fees whether he sold the item to that member or not~~the OP's "guilt" started when he ended the listing and then contacted the member still trying to sell it to him.

I wasn't trying to be "combative".  I was only trying to see if any of the posters who believe the OP was "wronged" would be willing to do the same thing the OP did without expecting for the same thing to happen to them as what happened to the OP.

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AgainPost 131 indicates you do have it backwards.  

[myangelandmyprincess]

And you've repeatedly jumped from one conclusion to another about the ops wrong doings.  And most of it has been just as accusational as eBay's message.  

It was a good til cancelled listing the seller had the right to cancel at any time.  I don't think it has Much to do with that.  

I do think it had to do with the messages and clearly the op wasn't trying to do an off eBay transaction and is upset at the accusing tone in tbe eBay message.    The buyers 2700 offer and the ops 2900 offer were both through messages.  The op states they would have relisted it if the buyer had agreed to 2900.  

This was a pretty common thing to do back in tbe say. Especially if you accidentally missed bidding on an item or it ended before you had a chance.   I've done it messages the seller saying I'll pay a certain amount they agree or counteroffer in messages and relist based on any agreement.

 EBay's overly paranoid ways are going to cost them in the end if they don't downgrade that paranoia just a bit.  

[kattinsanity]

THAT is the difference right there.  If YOU as a buyer misses an auction and it ends unsold YOU can contact the seller  and ask if they will relist it.  I've had that happen many times.  As a seller you can NOT contact a potential buyer and say "I'll sell it to you for this much" ESPECIALLY right after the SELLER has ended the listing themselves giving the reason as it is no longer available for sale.  IF he planned on relisting it and selling it at 2900 he should have just relisted it at 2900 and THEN contacted the potential buyer letting him know he had relisted it.  None of us knows the verbage the OP may have used in the message he sent the to the potential buyer but it was verbage ebay saw as the OP was trying to make a sale on a item that was no longer even listed to a member who had already made 2 offers for that same item~~.

Who knows if that other member may have also been a seller?  That would make it really easy to get each others complete contact info.

[nowthatsjustducky]

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@kattinsanity wrote:

Who knows if that other member may have also been a seller?  That would make it really easy to get each others complete contact info.

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That would still require a transaction to have happened between the two, and Big Brother would have known about it.

[myangelandmyprincess]

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@kattinsanity wrote:

THAT is the difference right there.  If YOU as a buyer misses an auction and it ends unsold YOU can contact the seller  and ask if they will relist it.  I've had that happen many times.  As a seller you can NOT contact a potential buyer and say "I'll sell it to you for this much" ESPECIALLY right after the SELLER has ended the listing themselves giving the reason as it is no longer available for sale.  IF he planned on relisting it and selling it at 2900 he should have just relisted it at 2900 and THEN contacted the potential buyer letting him know he had relisted it.  None of us knows the verbage the OP may have used in the message he sent the to the potential buyer but it was verbage ebay saw as the OP was trying to make a sale on a item that was no longer even listed to a member who had already made 2 offers for that same item~~.

Who knows if that other member may have also been a seller?  That would make it really easy to get each others complete contact info.

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But in post 131 that's exactly how op said it happened   That the buyer contacted offering 2700 through messages and that they responded saying they couldn't take less than 2900.  And trust me eBay sees no difference.  Sellers have been getting this message for buyers asking them 

[kattinsanity]

IF you read the OP's posts (of which there aren't very many) again you will see that the member made the 2700 offer and the OP NEVER RESPONDED to the 2700 offer.  Offers are only good for 48 hours.  The OP ended the listing as no longer for sale "a few days after" he received the 2700 offer.  That 2700 offer had already expired. 

THEN a few days AFTER ending the listing the OP contacted the other member OFFERING to sell it to him for 2900.

I won't go into detail of how the 2 could exchange info if the other member was also a seller~~the boards prohibit posting that kind of info~~.

I should have added before that if a buyer contacts a seller about having missed an auction and that seller offers to send the buyer a invoice through pay pal instead of relisting the item it is considered an off ebay sale and the seller will get reprimanded.

[myangelandmyprincess]

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@kattinsanity wrote:

IF you read the OP's posts (of which there aren't very many) again you will see that the member made the 2700 offer and the OP NEVER RESPONDED to the 2700 offer.  Offers are only good for 48 hours.  The OP ended the listing as no longer for sale "a few days after" he received the 2700 offer.  That 2700 offer had already expired. 

THEN a few days AFTER ending the listing the OP contacted the other member OFFERING to sell it to him for 2900.

I won't go into detail of how the 2 could exchange info if the other member was also a seller~~the boards prohibit posting that kind of info~~.

I should have added before that if a buyer contacts a seller about having missed an auction and that seller offers to send the buyer a invoice through pay pal instead of relisting the item it is considered an off ebay sale and the seller will get reprimanded.

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No post 131 the 2700 offer was not through the official offer form.  It was through messages.  The listing even confirms that because there is only one offer in the history 

and again sellers have been getting the message when it's the buyer contacting about wanting a price and if the seller responds saying no they are getting this message.  

[grasshopperx]

I pulled all my items off ebay! moved to a different site. Found a wonerful customer. and oh Lordy, ebay has missed out on ALOT of fees! All because Cassini treated me  like a piece of dirt. I dont care! anymore. Ebay gets what it desrves, and will in the end.  due time. mark my words... it's just a matter of time and everone will be sick of all the junk, the bad search, the difficulty in paying and all the messed up glitches. It's dead's ville already. And after being on here 20 years and searching catagories. When I see only ten items listed in a catagory by the day. I know ebay is TOAST. Hundreds used to be listed DAILY! not half a dozen. that tells me that other sellers are figuring it out that Ebay is NOT worth the bother!