10-11-2024 08:42 PM
Started looking at year's performance, and noticed something kind of interesting.
I'm probably telling on myself, because it's not a "bad" thing, but-
To preface, I promote basically all my listings, at a very low % have them all under one continuous campaign, and have not touched/edited the campaign itself (just added more listings to it) since I started it, but one would think the whole eBay 'halo listing' aspect of Promoted Listings would factor in to this somewhat.
About halfway through the year I'm noticing my Promoted sales just drop off a cliff, since like May I have not been charged for basically any Promoted sales.
So while I am personally not complaining, it just struck me as odd that almost no sales have been via PL, even though as I said I promote literally every single listing I have.
Is this just a me thing or is PL broken or do others have this as well?
10-12-2024 07:47 AM - edited 10-12-2024 07:48 AM
@my-cottage-books-and-antiques wrote:@iamcara I'm one of those who usually advise against pay per click for sellers of single quantity , long tail items. (I can see more value in PPC for sellers of multi quantity items, especially non-long tail items)
But I'm always happy to learn new things, and I'm wondering why and how exactly you use PPC, since a quick glance at your inventory suggests you sell mostly single quantity, long tail items?
In short it's quite difficult to advertise any other way, such as on social media like Instagram and other potential sources as a result of having media presence or, as a result of being able to create online commercials (which requires a lot of budget and is very risky).
I am not entirely in control of what items I sell, as they are all sought after and selected by my mother. The paintings are all hers too. I can't just go about buying and reselling popular antiques or anything like that, my budget doesn't allow it, and I do not believe that I have enough experience to take those risks right now.
As for a dollar amount taken out of my account each day, I found PPC to be generally reasonable due to the fact that it tends to eat up a very small percentage of your selected daily budget, and even with a very high cost per click setting like one or two dollars, you still end up only using about 35% of that budget each day. My budgets for PPC all added up is 35 dollars, but really it only takes about 10 dollars a day total on average even at a CPC of 1-2 dollars. I used to have it at 5 cents or 10 cents, which is quite efficient (about twice as much efficient as a CPC of 1 dollar), but I think it's just better for me to use a high CPC due to a variety of factors that someone outlined for me.
Business requires investment, risk, and a letting go of some level of ego. So that's kind of what I see this as. In college I used to spend maybe 20-40 dollars on food delivery per day. Compared to that in terms of dollar amount and usefulness, this is nothing.
And like I said before, I believe that many people misinterpret the usefulness of PPC due to the fact that it has potential to generate a sale months after a potential buyer finds your listing through these ads.
10-12-2024 12:01 PM
Thank you for this, I have not received those ultra targeted ads (yet) myself, or maybe I just tuned them out, but I do share in the decrease of sales/growth, I realize that it is due to my inventory, the market saturation in my categories, and I will also fully admit I myself could be doing more to advance sales, however the 2022 date is sounding very similar to what I have noticed as to when things began to slide downhill a bit.
I also realize that yes, the obvious solution is to either switch up what I am selling, etc. etc., one would be lying to themselves if they didn't admit there has been a noticeable decline sitewide since that 2022 mark.
I tried out a 6-month on/off again test for a little bit with PLS and for awhile there was a point where not using PLS boosted my sales, probably for around 4-5 months in 2023, then I started reading other people's experiences and them warning messing with or editing PLS can have adverse effects, drop in traffic, and so on so I stopped messing with the campaigns and let it sit, and for a bit the sales were steady still, but then the dropoff happened again.
I wouldn't have a problem with PL if they did what they said they did, but there are too many inconsistencies to ignore it at this point. Either the PL's are busted or the traffic reporting is I feel, although I suppose both could be true!
10-12-2024 01:24 PM
@iamcara Thanks. So basically you stick with a limit you believe is affordable for your business, and you believe you are getting a sufficient return on your ad dollar investment to make it worthwhile. While I suppose I could set a limit that I'd be comfortable with, I guess I just don't think I would get a good enough return for the money I'd be spending. But if it's working for you, great! I find that sellers have different business models, and no one model is right for everyone. Glad you have found something that is working for you.
10-12-2024 02:27 PM - edited 10-12-2024 02:31 PM
You are more than welcome. I was very systematic when I used PLS and benefited from consistency in its use. Here is a typical PLS chart for a campaign, the trend was repeatable each PLS campaign, a big spike the first weekend then spikes each preceding weekend but a slowdown in Impressions until near the end of the campaign then a spike just before they ended.
This next chart shows spikes on Sundays.
Those charts are from two different 30 day campaigns, you can see their similarities.
I have kept track of sales for every month since I started selling. I am now in year 10, keeping track of the number of sales each month and the total item dollar sales makes it easy to see trends.
After sales declined for over a year I started to also keep track of monthly Auction and BIN sales in addition to my other data. I used the Send offers eligible feature until April of this year. There were some periods where mainly Auctions sold but not BIN listings.
I have not set a new monthly sales dollar amount record since June of last year. March this year was my best sales month in 2024 but BIN sales were horrible, being suppressed of course.
The info above shows clearly that organic BIN sales are just not happening very much. The numbers speak for themselves.
10-12-2024 02:31 PM
@my-cottage-books-and-antiques wrote:@iamcara Thanks. So basically you stick with a limit you believe is affordable for your business, and you believe you are getting a sufficient return on your ad dollar investment to make it worthwhile. While I suppose I could set a limit that I'd be comfortable with, I guess I just don't think I would get a good enough return for the money I'd be spending. But if it's working for you, great! I find that sellers have different business models, and no one model is right for everyone. Glad you have found something that is working for you.
Well to be honest it isn't really working haha. So far I've generated 0 sales from PPC ads, offsite or on-site.
I've been at it for a few weeks, tweaking things here and there.
But I'm holding out a little while longer before giving in! Especially for the paintings.
10-12-2024 03:13 PM
@iamcara Well, I know all too little about the contemporary art market to really say anything about this, but if you are selling single quantity listings for fairly high prices (whether art, antiques, whatever) then PPC might make more sense. For what I sell , a large variety, no real niche and mostly lower dollar items, I just don't think PPC would likely be a good use of my ad budget. Again, maybe it makes more sense for the artwork.
10-12-2024 05:17 PM
I see you are working it because I got an offer on a listing I looked over. I work them as well.
Was $25.00 now $23.75–come and save on Vintage Miniature Brass and Copper Cloth...
10-12-2024 09:51 PM
I think you're thinking I'm saying I'm not making sales - No, the sales are still happening, the issue I'm wondering about is the fact that even though every single one of my listings is promoted, my sales have not been getting charged an ad fee, somehow I'm making all organic sales off listings that are promoted.
10-12-2024 09:57 PM
@gottasellemall69 What is your traffic showing you?
Keep in mind that just because a listing is in a General Ad campaign does not mean it is always shown as a sponsored listing. You say you are using a very low % so it is possible that many of your items aren't getting a lot of sponsored placement, and if they are getting sponsored placement, it is not necessarily really good placement.
10-13-2024 01:17 AM
If I understand correctly what's weird is that she used to have some of her sales sold via promotion, up until halfway through this year, but since then, zero have been, and I don't think she said she ever lowered her ad rate. If I'm getting that right, it is indeed very odd. You'd think there'd be at least one once in a while.
10-13-2024 07:34 AM
I think the OP indicated that it is a very low rate to begin with, and has remained that way. She has less than 100 listings, which means she may not have a lot of sales, period. It would help to know just how many sales we are talking about...that would provide some context. If some of the items have been up a long time (I didn't try to figure that out), that would also have a negative impact on placement, both in Best Match generally but also with Ads. The OP also provides no traffic stats. It is possible that she is getting more traffic organically than via Ads. A low rate in a highly competitive category, especially if the listings are one offs and older listings, could easily result in more traffic (especially GOOD traffic) coming organically than via Ads.
I just don't see enough info here to draw any firm conclusions.
10-13-2024 08:37 AM
Recently did a pls test. Ended and sold similar with all 500 items promoted at 26%. Searched items in incognito mode and out of all the listings only 1 of my items was shown on another sellers listing. When I looked at my listings they never showed 1 item of mine in the "similar sponsored items" . Before the update to promoted listings id if I clicked and viewed another sellers item mine would show, now they don't. Also at 26% I didn't have a single sale, views and impressions actually went down. So yes something is going on with the new pl.
10-13-2024 10:50 AM
Wow you really like giving ebay extra money.
10-13-2024 10:53 AM
I am very upset with the whole set up here, But every time i start complaining , I only get hit with i complain too much!
10-13-2024 08:51 PM
Btw this is today's views (the day after I made this post):
😂