10-25-2019 01:42 PM
So paypal notified the IRS that I made a little over 22k in 2017. They are saying I owe 9k in taxes. However that shouldn't be the case correct. First off, the ebay fees and paypal fees should be deducted from that 22k correct? However, my main concern is the shipping costs. I don't have any receipts from the shipping costs from that year but can't I figure that out on my own. I could look at all the transactions from that year and figure out the shipping company I used (fedex, ups, usps, etc.), the weight/size of the item, and the buyer location. Would that be sufficient enough or will they not accept that?
10-26-2019 05:27 AM
@csbbct wrote:
@a_c_green wrote:
@nocoolnamejane wrote:Unfortunately that’s the downside to not keeping up with your accounting 😞
That's true, and I am definitely no expert at that either, but still... 9K in taxes on 22K in income? That seems a bit... steep?
It depends on other household income already reported that year. For instance, a spouse's income could already puts someone in a 28% bracket and standard deductions and exemptions were already deducted from that income so IRS is now figuring 28% tax on the whole 22k gross. That would make the tax $6160. Now add an estimated tax underpayment penalty of approx $200, a failure to pay penalty of approx $600, and interest of approx $550 that would total $7510 due now. The next tax bracket up from that would be roughly $8800 total due. So it's conceivable it could be high for those reasons or for other possible reasons that we are not privy to.
"The tax owed would also include the money that should have been paid on Schedule SE, which is a self-employment tax of 15.3%. On $22K that tax alone would be $3366."
Wow, I can't believe I forgot about self-employment social security tax when I was writing the above response - good point!
So now, even if other income puts them in a much lower 15% tax bracket for this 22k, including this additional SE tax, late penalties and interest it could easily total $8000 in taxes on the $22,000.
But, after cost of goods sold, eBay & Paypal fees, shipping, and all the other expenses lower that $22k to a net taxable profit, it's possible the tax liability could end up less than half of what IRS is indicating at the moment, at least for 2017 taxes.
10-26-2019 07:33 AM
@2015.goubl wrote:So paypal notified the IRS that I made a little over 22k in 2017. They are saying I owe 9k in taxes. However that shouldn't be the case correct. First off, the ebay fees and paypal fees should be deducted from that 22k correct? However, my main concern is the shipping costs. I don't have any receipts from the shipping costs from that year but can't I figure that out on my own. I could look at all the transactions from that year and figure out the shipping company I used (fedex, ups, usps, etc.), the weight/size of the item, and the buyer location. Would that be sufficient enough or will they not accept that?
There may be some members here with experience with this sort of thing but to get it resolved you'll be needing an expert in this field . I'm not sure you need a full fledged attorney at this point but a good tax accountant would probably be the best place to start . Some are very good at getting the amount owed down to a more reasonable level . Good luck ,, it will be okay .. Tulips
10-26-2019 07:36 AM
@golfingaddict wrote:
@a_c_green wrote:
@nocoolnamejane wrote:Unfortunately that’s the downside to not keeping up with your accounting 😞
That's true, and I am definitely no expert at that either, but still... 9K in taxes on 22K in income? That seems a bit... steep?- golfingaddict
I agree ,, thats real close to half which doesn't sound reasonable . Tulips
10-26-2019 08:23 AM
The $9K that they're demanding would include penalties and interest, and the Self-Employment tax which is 15.3%.
10-26-2019 08:43 AM
It should be deducted from the 22k, but you can also deduct a lot of other things as well.
A lot of things can be deducted. But seeing it has been this long, you'll NEED to see a tax attorney or bite the bullet and take a payment plan from the IRS.
10-26-2019 08:54 AM
The expenses for using your car can be based on actual costs (e.g., gas) OR on mileage. Not both.
Be careful with the deduction for home office expenses since the rules change periodically. And they might ask for documentation (utility bills, square footage etc.). Fortunately, IRS has some very thorough reference publications resources available online.
In this particular situation, the main underlying issue seems to be in digging up the relevant receipts from 2017.
10-26-2019 08:57 AM
I hate to bring more bad news but since you have been notified by the IRS, you will eventually hear from the State. I worked for a tax accountant for many years and the IRS and the State share information. It might be a good idea to go A professional and file an amended return for the year(s) involved.
Good Luck