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We had a very pleasant chat yesterday with eBay executive Sarah Brubacher. Very nice person BTW. She has assured us that ebay values & wants to keep small/part time sellers around. I’ve always believed that long time sellers of any volume are the backbone of eBay & according to what Sarah said EBay recognizes that.

This post is for informational purposes. Some will believe it & some won’t.

Have a great day my friends! 😀

Patricia
eBay member for 25 years
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@papermoneyforme wrote:

@mg152 wrote:

We had a very pleasant chat yesterday with eBay executive Sarah Brubacher. Very nice person BTW. She has assured us that ebay values & wants to keep small/part time sellers around. I’ve always believed that long time sellers of any volume are the backbone of eBay & according to what Sarah said EBay recognizes that.

This post is for informational purposes. Some will believe it & some won’t.

Have a great day my friends! 😀


I guess she wasn't at Ebay Open 2017 where it came out point blank that sellers of used or collectibles don't fit in the Ebay mold or the Ebay of the future.


Hi papermoneyforme: This is Sarah. I was at eBay Open this year. I'm curious what at the event told you that Used and Collectible seller don't fit in at eBay? That was not the intent at all -- in fact, we had a workshop dedicated to Collectible sellers (hosted by Sam Bright, GM for Collectibles) to speak about the importance of Collectible sellers to our marketplace? I'd be curious what you heard that made you think otherwise. Thanks! Sarah

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@sarahbru

 

I see you are trying to turn the focus on collectibles.  Your silence about used and vintage is deafening. 

“It took me quite a long time to develop a voice, and now that I have it, I am not going to be silent” ― Madeleine K. Albright

Great! 45.8% down over the same time last year with 2x+ items listed. Are you impressed? I'm certainly not!
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@llllady wrote:

@mg152 wrote:

We had a very pleasant chat yesterday with eBay executive Sarah Brubacher. Very nice person BTW. She has assured us that ebay values & wants to keep small/part time sellers around. I’ve always believed that long time sellers of any volume are the backbone of eBay & according to what Sarah said EBay recognizes that.

This post is for informational purposes. Some will believe it & some won’t.

Have a great day my friends! 😀


 

No, really?  Did you expect an eBay employee to tell you otherwise?  I just got a look at that chat.  I read through 3 pages of pretty much nothing.  Looked like a bunch of "friends" talking to each other. 

 

Sorry I wasted even 5 minutes there, let alone 15.


Hi @llllady:  Tuesday's "exec chat" was a test for us -- the goal of which was to increase communication between eBay execs and the community in a chat forum. I'm sure we didn't get it all right -- but I'm hoping we're on the path.  Like you, my impression of this first chat was that it was mostly friendly community members welcoming me to the chat (which I thought was super nice!) -- and less substantive questions....but I'm hoping that will change as we do more of these. Thanks! Sarah

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@katfreikh_0 wrote:

@mg152 wrote:

We had a very pleasant chat yesterday with eBay executive Sarah Brubacher. Very nice person BTW. She has assured us that ebay values & wants to keep small/part time sellers around. I’ve always believed that long time sellers of any volume are the backbone of eBay & according to what Sarah said EBay recognizes that.

This post is for informational purposes. Some will believe it & some won’t.

Have a great day my friends! 😀


Hi. I was on the thread yesterday although I did not participate. 

 

I saw your question, and the EBay executive’s reply. I also saw that she asked for additional input as to why there is a belief that EBay is ignoring small sellers.

 

and then *ironically* completely ignored the one small seller that gave concrete, valid, legitimate reasons why.

 

It was a little frustrating to read through the fawning interpersonal fluff just to see the one question I would’ve loved to see an official response to completely and totally ignored.

 

Honestly I think the numerous “hi! OMG! Nice to see you!” posts should be prohibited as the time frame is so short.

 

 


Hi @katfreikh_0:  I'm sorry if the thread was frustrating. Yes - an hour is a short amount of time to have an open chat but it is a start.  I don't agree that friendly posts should be prohibited but I hear your frustration that there were alot of those posts and fewer questions until the end. What I would ask / hope is that folks start asking questions sooner in the hour? Would love to hear your suggestions. Thanks. Sarah

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@creativecrisis wrote:

@katfreikh_0 wrote:

@mg152 wrote:

We had a very pleasant chat yesterday with eBay executive Sarah Brubacher. Very nice person BTW. She has assured us that ebay values & wants to keep small/part time sellers around. I’ve always believed that long time sellers of any volume are the backbone of eBay & according to what Sarah said EBay recognizes that.

This post is for informational purposes. Some will believe it & some won’t.

Have a great day my friends! 😀


Hi. I was on the thread yesterday although I did not participate. 

 

I saw your question, and the EBay executive’s reply. I also saw that she asked for additional input as to why there is a belief that EBay is ignoring small sellers.

 

and then *ironically* completely ignored the one small seller that gave concrete, valid, legitimate reasons why.

 

It was a little frustrating to read through the fawning interpersonal fluff just to see the one question I would’ve loved to see an official response to completely and totally ignored.


 

 


Agree. Exactly one substantive question was asked during the chat, and it didn't receive an answer. 


Hi @creativecrisis:  Good call out that we need to ensure that we circle back to the thread and answer all questions after the thread has been closed. We'll seek to do that for future chats. Thanks. Sarah

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@a_c_green wrote:

katfreikh_0 wrote: 

It was a little frustrating to read through the fawning interpersonal fluff just to see the one question I would’ve loved to see an official response to completely and totally ignored.

 

Honestly I think the numerous “hi! OMG! Nice to see you!” posts should be prohibited as the time frame is so short.


I had similar thoughts, though perhaps for different reasons, as I read that transcript just now. 

 

The "fawning interpersonal fluff" (Heh... Smiley Happy) was a bit much, I agree (and doesn't anyone there know how to trim quoted replies?), although in printed form, it's a lot easier to skip past than, say, a live Q&A event where someone gets up and hogs the microphone for ages over some trivial point. 

 

Where I think all that fluff does the most damage is that it, and the equally vapid replies that follow it (not to mention all the photos) let legitimate questions and gripes get buried amongst irrelevant posts, where it's easy to ignore them (or forget that they were ever posted, several pages back).

 

I sensed that there was some shying away from replies to awkward topics, but really, if you're going to have a live chat with eBay buyers and sellers, you're going to have to expect some tough areas of discussion. Whenever someone posted a fluffy comment or minor point of praise, it seemed like the eBay employee responders all lunged towards it like a lifeboat from the Titanic, giving only cursory  answers to those who actually wanted to have a business conversation.

 

For example, notice the posting from tenbigdogs, which was roundly ignored (even after he posted a followup ping about it), and was instead followed by an interminable series of posts (and more duplicated photos) involving eBay sneakers and where to get them.

 

Those chat sessions are in desperate need of a moderator who'll actually jump in as needed to get the conversation back on track, and maybe even quietly nuke the umpteenth repetition of some photo or 5th-level re-quoted reply that didn't need that much screen space in the first place. Reading on a mobile device in particular can be agony. It might be worth preserving that particular chat session, to serve as a good example of how not to do it, and to show what happens (or doesn't happen) when things just wander out of control.


Hi @a_c_green: Thanks for your thoughts on how we can do this better in the future. Sarah

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@buyselljack2016 wrote:

Sarah(aka Peggy, just like all Peggy(s)) said what was wanted to be heard.

 

As a small seller I have no real complaints, but I don't believe the "canned answers" to be anything but what they are.


Hi @buyselljack2016: Could you help me understand what you mean by "Peggy" as I don't understand the reference. And my apologies if my responses to questions sounded like they were simply "what folks wanted to hear" - what I try to do is answer directly and authentically to questions to the best of my ability -- and will double down on that effort going forward. Thanks. Sarah

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@the*dog*ate*my*tablecloth wrote:

The comment was MANY changes affect small sellers and show Ebay is trying to drive small sellers off Ebay. Now one was about returns and one about handling time. Interpreting those to be the most egregious examples of how Ebay is picking on small sellers is kind of fluffy.

 

I wouldn't look at those two buyer driven requirements and say they are proof Ebay is trying to get rid of small sellers. IF someone believes that Ebay is really trying to force small sellers off, they will have to come up with more meaningful reasons IMHO.

 


Hi @the*dog*ate*my*tablecloth: Thank you for your comments.  eBay's work on Returns and Handling time are efforts to meet ecommerce buyers' demands -- and ensure our marketplace of sellers are meeting those demands.  It is not easy, but it is necessary if we (as a collective marketplace) want to remain relevant and a destination for more buyers. Thank you for your recognition of that.  Thanks. Sarah

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@southern*sweet*tea wrote:

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IMO if Ebay wanted to get rid of small sellers, they'd...just get rid of them. They'd stop advertising for sellers. No more "sell your old phone" campaigns, et. al.  They would set requirements that you would have to sell X amount of items per month/quarter.

 

No, Ebay does not want to get rid of small sellers. They want small sellers who act like an online business.  They want to be just another big box selling venue. They want sellers who absorb losses like big business. They want sellers who don't call CS every five seconds with complaints, be they valid or invalid. They want sellers who can handle things on their own.  They want a "seamless" buying experience for buyers.  Generic. Anonymous.

 

No, small sellers are welcome here as long as you toe the line and keep your mouth shut...but what Ebay doesn't realize is the thing that made them special IS the SMALL SELLER.  Lots of small sellers run their businesses in the above manner. Lots of small sellers don't. ALL these small sellers are valuable, and Ebay is too short sighted to realize that.  What once made Ebay special was the one on one interaction between buyer and seller.  I guess with the advance of internet selling, along with a bit of entitlement from the buying public and credit card companies who don't give a rat's patootie about retail businesses, trust and personalization is a bad thing in Ebay's eyes.  It's actually very, very, very sad.


Hi @southern*sweet*tea. I agree with you that small businesses is what did (and does) make eBay such an amazing marketplace -- and specifically, I think the interactions between buyers and sellers are what makes it special. I like to say that eBay is a place to buy and sell -- but most importantly, a place to belong. This community and are ability to interact with one another -- sometimes agreeing, sometimes disagreeing --  is just awesome. 

 

The challenge I think you rightly raise is that the buying public's expectations have increased. Buyers expect quick responses to their questions - they expect two day shipping - they expect FREE shipping -- all because there are companies out there that are providing it. One of the compelling things Pierre Omidyar saw when he created eBay was the ability for small businesses to compete with large businesses because buyers would not be able to tell who was big and who was small online. THAT was awesome -- what is challenging in that is that buyers (not knowing who is big and who is small) still hold both to the same expectations. 

 

I don't agree with you that eBay doesn't want to hear from small businesses. We do. It is why we host events like eBay Open (1500 small businesses in attendance with 500 eBay employees) and it is why we continue to host these Community discussion boards. It is why I have asked the Community team to start hosting exec chats. We want to figure out these challenges together.  Sarah

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Hi @buyselljack2016: Could you help me understand what you mean by "Peggy" as I don't understand the reference. And my apologies if my responses to questions sounded like they were simply "what folks wanted to hear" - what I try to do is answer directly and authentically to questions to the best of my ability -- and will double down on that effort going forward. Thanks. Sarah

Hello @sarahbru! I can field that one.

 

"Peggy" is a fictional TV ad character representing the worst, most unhelpful outsourced Customer Service representative you can imagine. (I should clarify that these ads are played for laughs...) As a Wikipedia article describes it (here), "Peggy is a character used in ads for the Discover Card. In the ads, Peggy is a bearded man with an Eastern European accent and a moth-eaten sweater. Peggy answers the phone for "USA Prime Credit," for whom he gives evasive or unhelpful customer service."

 

Here's a link to the hysterical Peggy commercials on Youtube (they will play in sequence); Enjoy...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8L2cI8brzQ

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@southern*sweet*tea wrote:

**General reply not directed toward any particular poster**

 

IMO if Ebay wanted to get rid of small sellers, they'd...just get rid of them. They'd stop advertising for sellers. No more "sell your old phone" campaigns, et. al.  They would set requirements that you would have to sell X amount of items per month/quarter.

 

No, Ebay does not want to get rid of small sellers. They want small sellers who act like an online business.  They want to be just another big box selling venue. They want sellers who absorb losses like big business. They want sellers who don't call CS every five seconds with complaints, be they valid or invalid. They want sellers who can handle things on their own.  They want a "seamless" buying experience for buyers.  Generic. Anonymous.

 

No, small sellers are welcome here as long as you toe the line and keep your mouth shut...but what Ebay doesn't realize is the thing that made them special IS the SMALL SELLER.  Lots of small sellers run their businesses in the above manner. Lots of small sellers don't. ALL these small sellers are valuable, and Ebay is too short sighted to realize that.  What once made Ebay special was the one on one interaction between buyer and seller.  I guess with the advance of internet selling, along with a bit of entitlement from the buying public and credit card companies who don't give a rat's patootie about retail businesses, trust and personalization is a bad thing in Ebay's eyes.  It's actually very, very, very sad.

 

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Unfortunately, this was before scammers found ebay and other similar venues.  And I am referring to sellers as well as buyers.

 

Thanks to them ebay will never get back to what it once was.


 

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@tomuchstuff5 wrote:

The problem as I see it is they are trying put a square peg in a round hole with Antiques, Vintage , Collectibles and some used. You cannot big box this stuff. It is a horse of totally different color. This is what Ebay was built on. Not buying shampoo online. I can understand the convenience features of GD , returns, 1 day handling and the impersonal purchase on New Items that they are in direct competition with everyone on. You don't interact with anyone when picking this stuff up at the store. Go to an Antique shop , Show or flea market and its all about the history and personal interaction. 

 

The stuff Ebay was built on is not something you get at Target, Walmart, Amazon, Dollar Tree and so on. I know these markets are down , but not dead. They would do better to let sellers converse with customers. This is where history is shared and a collector or admirer of an item grows the desire to own it. True you can find just about anything on Ebay. And you CAN'T find some items elsewhere. So to apply rules that do not apply to product is ??. 

 

Ask any collector if they would rather have their purchase rushed out in 1 day with hasty packaging or carefully packed for safe delivery within a few days. 

 

In my opinion Ebay should have visit Ebay Original tab on the home page. Let sellers sell their stuff with the benefit of conversing about history or collections. Provide the venue, advertising on the unique items that can be found here, safe payment processing and the technology to make it all work for the fees. Let sellers manage their own customer service and implement policy that is appropriate to the merchandise. I think they would be surprised at the long term results of not trying to big box this stuff. Might even bring the market back up. 

 

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I remember the old days.  You actually made a friend during those two weeks from the day the item sold until the day it arrived and even afterwards.  I would update my buyers every step of the way.  And even competitors would give you valuable advice.

 

But if we are being honest, the world is not the same as it was back in 1999.  The thieves were busy breaking into businesses or doing the 5 finger discount.  

 

Yes, we now have a lot of bad buyers.  And because of the competition, sellers who try to game the system so they do not have to pay fees.

 

So if it were your business and you knew you were losing revenue because of it, would you allow it to continue or put in stop measures?

 

 



 

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@sarahbru wrote:

 

I don't agree with you that eBay doesn't want to hear from small businesses. We do. It is why we host events like eBay Open (1500 small businesses in attendance with 500 eBay employees) and it is why we continue to host these Community discussion boards. It is why I have asked the Community team to start hosting exec chats. We want to figure out these challenges together.  Sarah


And here we agree to disagree. If you truly "want to hear from us",  why don't you LISTEN? Actually HEAR what's being said? I can't think of many changes that have come down through the years that have actually been beneficial or helpful for ANY seller, much less small ones.  And when questions or comments are raised here on the boards, the common answer is a generic "we'll pass this on to the appropriate person", "it's being worked on", "you'll hear from us soon"... It's never fixed (whatever "it" happens to refer to) and we never hear back. In fact, Ebay fixing something soon has been a running joke on these boards for a very long time now.

 

Sellers truly have NO VOICE here, none at all.

 

As to Ebay open...1500 sellers out of 25 million, and many aren't all that small. Hardly a representative sampling of all Ebay sellers. It's a very one sided sample.

 

The easier you are to offend the easier you are to control.


We seem to be getting closer and closer to a situation where nobody is responsible for what they did but we are all responsible for what somebody else did. - Thomas Sowell
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@sarahbru wrote:

@buyselljack2016 wrote:

Sarah(aka Peggy, just like all Peggy(s)) said what was wanted to be heard.

 

As a small seller I have no real complaints, but I don't believe the "canned answers" to be anything but what they are.


Hi @buyselljack2016: Could you help me understand what you mean by "Peggy" as I don't understand the reference. And my apologies if my responses to questions sounded like they were simply "what folks wanted to hear" - what I try to do is answer directly and authentically to questions to the best of my ability -- and will double down on that effort going forward. Thanks. Sarah


Peggy is a name for incompetent customer service personnel.  It was made popular by the discover card commercial.

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