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Just yelling at myself for not seeing all the details

 

Buyer Purchased 

Email sent that they have wrong address and want me to cancel and use the right address..

I agree and cancel and send new listing with a make an offer for acceptance 

Buyer Purchased with different ID

Original Buyer emails me while I cancelled.

 

Check the message was from zero feedback buyer

Purchase by another id so when I cancel the 2nd order I will get two out of stock feedback..

 

Guess some seller on this board decided to take me down. 2 defects in one day. lovely..

 

My fault for not paying attention to id. 15 years never seen it happen like this.

 

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It is treated as out of stock if you cancel but buyer did not requested it. Canceling with issue with address without showing buyer requested it will net you  defect now. It didnt before but it does now.

 

you read these boards often, there is another thread about this also from last month.

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So far my board searches haven't brought up that thread from last month, but I'm probably missing it. So far in the FAQ I only found what I cited above. That only applies for authenticated merch and eIS.

 

If you remember the thread can you post it here, or bump it? It seems that that is pretty important to verify.


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https://community.ebay.com/t5/Selling/BBE-metrics-are-being-conducted-wrongly/m-p/34529797

 

post above.

 

Got off phone with ebay. They said when review of request if buyer ask to cancel or request to change address and there is no request you can get a defect. Note put in for appeals, and I doubt appeals will do anything cause they follow the script.

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@funfactorychannel wrote:

https://community.ebay.com/t5/Selling/BBE-metrics-are-being-conducted-wrongly/m-p/34529797

 

post above.

 

Got off phone with ebay. They said when review of request if buyer ask to cancel or request to change address and there is no request you can get a defect. Note put in for appeals, and I doubt appeals will do anything cause they follow the script.


@funfactorychannel  Thanks for finding that! The OP is in Portugal and is discussing the BBE program.

 

If eBay has indeed changed the cancel parameters for US sellers as the CS agent told you, they should have announced it or at least updated the FAQ. Looking in a seller's messages for a note from the buyer seems a shaky way to monitor it, though.


“The illegal we do immediately, the unconstitutional takes a little longer.” - Henry Kissinger

"Wherever law ends, tyranny begins" - John Locke (Don't get distracted).
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@funfactorychannel wrote:

It is treated as out of stock if you cancel but buyer did not requested it. Canceling with issue with address without showing buyer requested it will net you  defect now. It didnt before but it does now.

 

you read these boards often, there is another thread about this also from last month.


You are supplying conflicting information on this thread.  So it is hard to determine what it is that actually happened.

 

You have said that the buyer address is incorrect and the buyer notified you of that.  Doing a cancellation for a problem with the address is appropriate and will not cause a defect, with or without the buyer emailing you to tell you the issue.

 

Now if you are NOT doing a cancellation process and are just jumping to refunding the buyer, that could be why you are getting defects because you select a reason that isn't the actual reason for the refund and end up with a defect.  Stick with the actual Cancellation Process and you will likely be fine.

 

"problem with buyer address no longer work.. unless proof its by the buyer. If no request, its treated as out of stock defect now."  This is not true.

 

Because you were tricked by a different buyer should have no effect on if you got a Defect for cancelling due to an address issue.  But if you didn't Cancel the transaction and Jumped to just refunding the buyer, then it might as the available reasons are different.

 


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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@funfactorychannel wrote:

https://community.ebay.com/t5/Selling/BBE-metrics-are-being-conducted-wrongly/m-p/34529797

 

post above.

 

Got off phone with ebay. They said when review of request if buyer ask to cancel or request to change address and there is no request you can get a defect. Note put in for appeals, and I doubt appeals will do anything cause they follow the script.


You are comparing apples and oranges.  The rules for international sellers for BBE were changed July of 2023.  These changes do not apply to US sellers.


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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Where am i conflicting?

 

Someone pretending to be the buyer ask to cancel the order and buy again with correct shipping. I never said the Original buyer requested to change address. I said someone pretending to be the original buyer on a different id just minutes after purchase asking to cancel the order so they can change the address. My mistake is I did not double check the ID, I never have thought someone tried to do this.

 

I cancel not knowing it and resent the new listing which the now new buyer bought.

 

Original buyer then ask why their order got cancel.

 

1. Defect one, canceling order without buyer requesting cancel or change of shipping address.

2. Defect 2, canceling to sell it back to the original buyer.

 

Ebay said it can result in defects cause original buyer never requested it.

 

 

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@chapeau-noir wrote:

@funfactorychannel wrote:

https://community.ebay.com/t5/Selling/BBE-metrics-are-being-conducted-wrongly/m-p/34529797

 

post above.

 

Got off phone with ebay. They said when review of request if buyer ask to cancel or request to change address and there is no request you can get a defect. Note put in for appeals, and I doubt appeals will do anything cause they follow the script.


@funfactorychannel  

If eBay has indeed changed the cancel parameters for US sellers as the CS agent told you, they should have announced it or at least updated the FAQ. Looking in a seller's messages for a note from the buyer seems a shaky way to monitor it, though.


Technically there is no policy change, cause all they are doing is reviewing what we selected to cancel is truth or lie.

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@funfactorychannel wrote:

Where am i conflicting?

 

Someone pretending to be the buyer ask to cancel the order and buy again with correct shipping. I never said the Original buyer requested to change address. I said someone pretending to be the original buyer on a different id just minutes after purchase asking to cancel the order so they can change the address. My mistake is I did not double check the ID, I never have thought someone tried to do this.

 

I cancel not knowing it and resent the new listing which the now new buyer bought.

 

Original buyer then ask why their order got cancel.

 

1. Defect one, canceling order without buyer requesting cancel or change of shipping address.

2. Defect 2, canceling to sell it back to the original buyer.

 

Ebay said it can result in defects cause original buyer never requested it.

 


1.  What reason did you select for the Cancellation.

2.  IDK what kind of a defect that one is as to my knowledge, one does not exist for that reason.


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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1. Cancel issue with buyer address..

2. Cancel issue with buyer address.. i put the reason I cancel it we the readers not the option I selected..

 

Both are false reasoning in this situation to ebay. Since 1. Buyer did not requested it. 2. Buyer did not requested it.

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@funfactorychannel wrote:

1. Cancel issue with buyer address..

2. Cancel issue with buyer address.. i put the reason I cancel it we the readers not the option I selected..

 

Both are false reasoning in this situation to ebay. Since 1. Buyer did not requested it. 2. Buyer did not requested it.


A buyer does NOT have to request a cancellation for an address issue.

 

"Cancel issue with buyer address.. i put the reason I cancel it we the readers not the option I selected.."  To many words missing in that statement.  I'm unsure what you are actually trying to say.  I can guess, but I won't do that.


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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who said buyer selected the cancellation?

I got email from buyer to cancel, And I selected the cancel due to issue with buyer address. 

 

I put the reason i cancel, So we as posters understand why I did it. Nothing to do with the process.

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It's a confusing chain of events.  This is how I read that it went. 

 

Somebody bought something (buyer A). 

Immediately after it sold, somebody contacted you that the address was wrong.  This turned out to be sneaky buyer B, but you missed that it was a different buyer.  

So you canceled the sale thinking it was at buyer A's request. 

Relisted and sent link to buyer B (still, thinking it was buyer A). 

Buyer B bought it.  

Buyer A contacted you, asking why you canceled their purchase.

You realized what happened, so you canceled the sale to buyer B so that you could sell it to buyer A.  

 

Two cancelations without any buyers requesting them after their purchase, so two defects.

 

That hurts.  But good of you to look after your original buyer. 

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yup thats it. 

 

also, sneaky buyer B used a different ID to message me and a different id to buy..

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Problem with buyer's address is NOT the same as out of stock.  I do know that eBay is using bots to track this and want you to use the correct reason.   If for example you are shipping an item that is rejected by Fedex or UPS, maybe incorrect format or even buyer sending a PO box, you can cancel the sale due to an issue with the address without issue.

 

But instead of arguing about it, simply send us the link where we can find said policy.  Going by what a rep may have told you in my experience is not good enough. 

 

Otherwise, check out the article from Valueaddedresource where AI sent a seller a nastygram for this when they did not cancel anything.  It is much more likely AI is incorrectly flagging you than anything else if it is being counted against you.  

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