03-04-2021 09:38 AM
Hello-
Last night, I listed three different copies of the Dr. Seuss book "And to Think That I Saw it on Mulberry Street". In each listing, I showed the front and back cover, spine, publication page, title page and one page from the book showing artwork that was the cause of the book being banned. This last part was my bad, since I did not think about how that looked in a listing and I wish I would not have put it in. The illustration in question has not aged well and is culturally insensitive.
However, I got 4 emails from eBay saying they have ended all three listings because of "offensive material"- that one page which I showed in my photos of the book. I also got this in one of the emails: "Dr. Seuss Enterprises has stopped publication of this book due to its negative portrayal of some ethnicities. As a courtesy, we have ended your item and refunded your selling fees, and as long as you do not relist the item, there will be no negative impact to your account. Please review our Offensive Materials Policy prohibits this item for more information."
I understand that part of the book is offensive, and I can understand why Seuss Enterprises pulled the book. However, when I went onto eBay today, I found at least 3 dozen listing of the book that were still gathering bids and views. Apparently the Seuss estate did not take those ones down.
My question is this- I was just trying to sell this book because it is now out of print and is very rare. I understand that there is a page with a slightly offensive illustration on it, and I agree that posting a picture of that page was a bad decision- however, every other edition being sold has it as well. Is the reason that mine was taken down because I included a photo of it on my listing, and would it have stayed up had I removed the photo?
I am pretty sure I can't relist the item now, since they said "You can't relist items we've ended. Please ensure your current and future listings follow this policy." But once again, there are tons and tons of other listings that are still up for the exact same book (and the exact same EDITION, by the way). Is there anything I can do, or should I not try to relist the items in case something worse happens?
Once again, I want to reiterate that the only reason I was selling these books was because they are now rare and out of print. That one illustration on that one page was not in any way the focus of my sale. However, I do understand that illustration is offensive, so I completely understand why I was contacted.
Thank you!
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03-04-2021 11:40 AM
The same thing happened to me.
03-04-2021 11:50 AM
Six books by Dr. Seuss now being identified as problematic by the managers of the author's publications. Dr. Seuss Enterprises has decided several of the author's books were inappropriate for today's more inclusive, more tolerant, less insulting, hurtful, denigrating society.
Their statement:
Today, on Dr. Seuss’s Birthday, Dr. Seuss Enterprises celebrates reading and also our mission of supporting all children and families with messages of hope, inspiration, inclusion, and friendship.
We are committed to action. To that end, Dr. Seuss Enterprises, working with a panel of experts, including educators, reviewed our catalog of titles and made the decision last year to cease publication and licensing of the following titles: And to Think That I Saw It on Mulberry Street, If I Ran the Zoo, McElligot’s Pool, On Beyond Zebra!, Scrambled Eggs Super!, and The Cat’s Quizzer. These books portray people in ways that are hurtful and wrong."
Ceasing sales of these books is only part of our commitment and our broader plan to ensure Dr. Seuss Enterprises’s catalog represents and supports all communities and families.
03-04-2021 12:02 PM
I just chatted with eBay and was told that all of the auctions for any of the Seuss discontinued books and the sales are being cancelled. I also had an auction ended by them and it had nothing to do with the pictures. I debated it with the person for 10 minutes asking why other "offensive" books could be sold, such as Little Black Sambo, Huckleberry Finn, etc. and he said that those books are removed too and sales cancelled. I then told him I was looking at a page of 72 sold LBS books. I said that many things are "offensive" according to their list, but they are sold everyday on eBay. I have a really hard time believing that eBay is passing up all of this profit and is really cancelling the sales. He eventually said that there were many agents looking through thousands of auctions and not just this books auction and that they would be cancelled. My thought is that they will catch a fraction of them before they are sold, paid for, and shipped. I guess Amazon with their extremely high percentage fee (15% + other fees) is the only place to sell it. Very disappointing.
03-04-2021 12:13 PM
*shrug* As far as I know, licking boots doesn't get you punished either
03-04-2021 12:43 PM
The irony is not lost on me, that in a discussion wherein you argued that this is akin to Farenheit 451, you're most interested in why I haven't been censored.
03-04-2021 12:47 PM
That is just.. *chef's kiss*
03-04-2021 12:53 PM - edited 03-04-2021 12:54 PM
Tell me you're white without saying "I'm white":
@thefigbycompany wrote:
My question is this- I was just trying to sell this book because it is now out of print and is very rare. I understand that there is a page with a slightly offensive illustration on it,
03-04-2021 01:32 PM - edited 03-04-2021 01:33 PM
@thefigbycompany wrote:Once again, I want to reiterate that the only reason I was selling these books was because they are now rare and out of print. That one illustration on that one page was not in any way the focus of my sale. However, I do understand that illustration is offensive, so I completely understand why I was contacted.
The book is not rare - there are millions of them.
Everyone here knows your purpose in selling was to capitalize on the current controversy.
That aside ...
eBay did not pull the book because of the picture you posted. They pulled the book because it is no longer permitted on eBay - period.
03-05-2021 09:02 AM
I'm sure you were not picked out intentionally, just randomly, as they proceed down the list.
03-07-2021 12:20 PM
I agree, acrc!
Strange the way minds think these days. Here's what was written WAY BACK WHEN about one of the banned books.
REVIEW - From the Dust Cover of "AND TO THINK I SAW IT ON MULBERRY STREET"
"So completely spontaneous that the American child can take it to his heart on sight ... As original in conception, as spontaneous in the rendering as it is true to the imagination of a small boy." - ANNE CARROLL MOORE - In The Atlantic Monthly
My have times changed!
07-23-2021 04:45 AM
ALL issues related to eBay cancelling "offensive material" listings could be prevented VERY easily during the process of creating the listing. All listing titles containing words indicating it is a prohibited or offensive item would not be allowed to be submitted for sale AT ALL. Words like Nazi, swastika, etc. The Submit button should simply become DISABLED and respond with something like "Violates Offensive Material Policy." There would be little need for buyers/sellers to report a live listing because it WOULDN'T BE ACCEPTED IN THE FIRST PLACE.
However, to my knowledge, eBay does not accept suggestions for improvement from sellers. I am selling items from my deceased father-inlaw's collection of militaria. I listed a WWII belt buckle yesterday with a swastika on it; I did not have the words Nazi or Swastika in the title; got 2 offers hours after it was listed; then eBay removed the listing so I couldn't respond to offers. I think it's possible that someone may want the item, report it so it is removed by eBay, then contact the seller privately in hopes he could buy it for a much lower price since it can't be relisted. One of the low offers I got was from a guy who said to reach out to him if eBay cancelled the listing because of the swastika; wondered why he would say that when the listing was active. For all I know, this may be what he does for many items he wants. I have since found militaria dealers/buyers online apart from eBay.
This morning I performed a search using the words "Nazi Swastika." I came across the most offensive listing I have seen on eBay during the 21 years I have been an eBay seller (100% FB). It is a picture of Queen Elizabeth with swastikas for eyes. I will not report it; what good would it do?
There are thousands of listing titles on eBay that say Nazi Swastika, both active and sold listings. Therefore, I did not expect to have a problem.
07-23-2021 05:09 AM - edited 07-23-2021 05:11 AM
Apparently the Seuss estate did not take those ones down
The Seuss estate does not report these listings to eBay listings; eBay is the one identifying them and taking htem down. Here is a Wall Street Journal article where eBay admits this: "EBay is currently sweeping our marketplace to remove these items,” a spokeswoman for the company said in an email.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/dr-seuss-books-deemed-offensive-will-be-delisted-from-ebay-11614884201
Is the reason that mine was taken down because I included a photo of it on my listing, and would it have stayed up had I removed the photo?
No. It was taken down because eBay does not allow that book to be sold here.
Is there anything I can do, or should I not try to relist the items in case something worse happens?
eBay told you clearly, plainly, and absolutely not to relist the item. eBay hinted that a "negative impact to your account" is on the table if you do. And in response, you are posting here wondering whether you should try to relist it or not. Where is that facepalm emoji when I need it?
Once again, I want to reiterate that the only reason I was selling these books was because they are now rare and out of print. That one illustration on that one page was not in any way the focus of my sale.
Sorry, not buying it. They are rare and out of print because of the insensitive images, and IMHO that is *exactly* why you chose to include the insensitive images in your listing.
07-23-2021 05:23 AM
Apologies - I did not realize that someone had resurrected a zombie thread.
12-30-2023 02:23 AM
So if I had a Chevy truck within rebel flag on it and it got banned I'm trying to sell it if I took the flag off and it's just a regular Chevy truck I can't list the truck anymore?
12-30-2023 02:53 AM
Interestingly enough, this thread is almost 3 years old, yet there are 18 copies for sale today and 14 copies sold in the last 30 days.