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Non paying bidder entitled to item not received case

So apparently in their infinite wisdom ebay now allows buyers that did not pay for their items, in cases where a non-paying bidder case was opened and we received a final value fee credit, to file an item not received case!  

 

We called and were told that they were very, truly sorry that this happened, but they were not sorry enough about it to do anything.   They said we should just wait and in 21 days the case would resolve itself. 

Im guessing in just a few days when we dont respond it will close the case in the buyers favor and we will get a strike on our account.   Then we will be calling back to fight that.

 

Negative feedback for not shipping the unpaid for item is most likely the next progression in this case Im guessing lol.

 

And Ebay wonders why sellers are finding alternative venues to sell?   I am so happy to say that we now do over 80% of our sales on other platforms.   So done with the lousy overseas support. 

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One of the many many things that is wrong with ebay. They can't seem to train their bots nor their human support to close cases in the seller's favor when the item was never even paid for? Or that they allow this type of case in the first place, especially after a non paying bidder case is already closed on the same item? Just shaking my head. Nothing else to do but call back until you get someone stateside and INSIST they close the case in your favor. 

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@aabalat_fine_and_rare_wines wrote:


Im guessing in just a few days when we dont respond it will close the case in the buyers favor and we will get a strike on our account.   Then we will be calling back to fight that.

 


There's also a chance if you don't respond that eBay automatically refunds money to the buyer and charges your account for it.  I would call CS again and insist they close the INR case in your favor, escalate if you have to.  Don't have faith that they'll do this right.

 

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Ebay does allow for an INR to be opened when an item doesn't show as paid on Ebay because there are other methods of payment that the seller may have accepted that were not electronic.  

 

The information you got when you called in however is incorrect.  You don't have to wait 21 days.  They should have taken care of it seeing that the UID was closed for non payment.

 

Since you have a closed UID for non payment, the buyer is blocked from leaving FB, so you don't have to worry about that.

 

But this INR should be removed from your Service Metrics IMHO as you had a UID in place when the INR was opened.

 

Let's see if we can get some clarification in this process as it isn't something that I've seen happen a lot.

 

tyler@ebay 

brian@ebay 

@Anonymous 

 


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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@csbbct wrote:

@aabalat_fine_and_rare_wines wrote:


Im guessing in just a few days when we dont respond it will close the case in the buyers favor and we will get a strike on our account.   Then we will be calling back to fight that.

 


There's also a chance if you don't respond that eBay automatically refunds money to the buyer and charges your account for it.  I would call CS again and insist they close the INR case in your favor, escalate if you have to.  Don't have faith that they'll do this right.

 


Why would that happen?  I've never heard of this happening on an unpaid item.  Did this happen to you?


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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@mam98031 wrote:

@csbbct wrote:

@aabalat_fine_and_rare_wines wrote:


Im guessing in just a few days when we dont respond it will close the case in the buyers favor and we will get a strike on our account.   Then we will be calling back to fight that.

 


There's also a chance if you don't respond that eBay automatically refunds money to the buyer and charges your account for it.  I would call CS again and insist they close the INR case in your favor, escalate if you have to.  Don't have faith that they'll do this right.

 


Why would that happen?  I've never heard of this happening on an unpaid item.  Did this happen to you?


No, but I worry that ignoring Item Not Received could kick in automatic processes to send money to the buyer when the seller didn't respond to it in some way.  It probably wouldn't even notice that it was an Unpaid Item case closed for non-payment since it didn't seem to notice it when it allowed the INR to be opened in the first place.  Nothing about this is normal so I wouldn't trust their automatic processes in place and think it's safer to insist the case be closed in the seller's favor before that happens. 

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@aabalat_fine_and_rare_wines wrote:

So apparently in their infinite wisdom ebay now allows buyers that did not pay for their items, in cases where a non-paying bidder case was opened and we received a final value fee credit, to file an item not received case!  

 

We called and were told that they were very, truly sorry that this happened, but they were not sorry enough about it to do anything.   They said we should just wait and in 21 days the case would resolve itself. 

Im guessing in just a few days when we dont respond it will close the case in the buyers favor and we will get a strike on our account.   Then we will be calling back to fight that.

 

Negative feedback for not shipping the unpaid for item is most likely the next progression in this case Im guessing lol.

 

And Ebay wonders why sellers are finding alternative venues to sell?   I am so happy to say that we now do over 80% of our sales on other platforms.   So done with the lousy overseas support. 


Hi @aabalat_fine_and_rare_wines, a buyer is able to open an item not received request after an Unpaid Item case was closed because there are sometimes instances where the buyer has paid, and our system simply does not have a record of the payment. That being said, one of the eligibility requirements for an eBay Money Back Guarantee request is that the item has been paid for; if the buyer cannot provide proof of payment, the buyer would not be eligible for protection. eBay wouldn't be able to reverse a transaction we do not have access to, so there is no risk of your buyer being refunded incorrectly as we would not have a transaction to reverse. 

 

The 21 day timeframe you were given is the length of time it will take for the request to close on it's own. Since there is no recorded payment, eBay cannot be asked to step in and make a decision. The request would not count against your seller performance since it is not eligible for protection, and you are welcome to address the buyer's concerns as you see fit. A short message stating something like, "I'm sorry if there has been a misunderstanding, I have not received payment for this order. If you have questions or concerns about a payment you believe you made, I recommend you contact PayPal or your financial institution to discuss what may have happened" is a great way of addressing your customer's request.

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@csbbct wrote:

@mam98031 wrote:

@csbbct wrote:

@aabalat_fine_and_rare_wines wrote:


Im guessing in just a few days when we dont respond it will close the case in the buyers favor and we will get a strike on our account.   Then we will be calling back to fight that.

 


There's also a chance if you don't respond that eBay automatically refunds money to the buyer and charges your account for it.  I would call CS again and insist they close the INR case in your favor, escalate if you have to.  Don't have faith that they'll do this right.

 


Why would that happen?  I've never heard of this happening on an unpaid item.  Did this happen to you?


No, but I worry that ignoring Item Not Received could kick in automatic processes to send money to the buyer when the seller didn't respond to it in some way.  It probably wouldn't even notice that it was an Unpaid Item case closed for non-payment since it didn't seem to notice it when it allowed the INR to be opened in the first place.  Nothing about this is normal so I wouldn't trust their automatic processes in place and think it's safer to insist the case be closed in the seller's favor before that happens. 


How can they refund a transaction that has no payment?  Where would the money come from?

 

BTW, I never suggested "ignoring" the INR.


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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@mam98031 wrote:

@csbbct wrote:

@aabalat_fine_and_rare_wines wrote:


Im guessing in just a few days when we dont respond it will close the case in the buyers favor and we will get a strike on our account.   Then we will be calling back to fight that.

 


There's also a chance if you don't respond that eBay automatically refunds money to the buyer and charges your account for it.  I would call CS again and insist they close the INR case in your favor, escalate if you have to.  Don't have faith that they'll do this right.

 


Why would that happen?  I've never heard of this happening on an unpaid item.  Did this happen to you?


No, but I worry that ignoring Item Not Received could kick in automatic processes to send money to the buyer when the seller didn't respond to it in some way.  It probably wouldn't even notice that it was an Unpaid Item case closed for non-payment since it didn't seem to notice it when it allowed the INR to be opened in the first place.  Nothing about this is normal so I wouldn't trust their automatic processes in place and think it's safer to insist the case be closed in the seller's favor before that happens. 


Hi @csbbct, I just wanted to clarify that this process is perfectly normal; a request is simply a way for the buyer to communicate a concern with their seller. If a payment were made to the seller that eBay cannot recognize, the seller would have be able to refund the buyer if they needed to. If no payment was made, the seller can clarify this for their customer, helping to clear up any confusion. We would not have an automatic process to address the request as a transaction without a recorded payment is not eligible for the eBay Money Back Guarantee. The request would not count against the seller in any way, they would already be protected from any feedback issues because of the Unpaid Item Case that was opened and closed, and the request would close on its on after 21 business days.

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One of the many many things wrong with EBay. They can’t seem to train their bots..

 

How would one “train” software?

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I see no reason to wait 21 days, if they have paid by whatever means which they obviously haven't prove it, it's not difficult, how do you open an INR case for something you know hasn't been paid for unless it's a blatant attempt at theft, whether they achieve anything or not is not the point, The unpaid item case was their chance to prove payment, they didn't.

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@the*dog*ate*my*tablecloth wrote:

One of the many many things wrong with EBay. They can’t seem to train their bots..

 

How would one “train” software?


I've written programs that 'learn' and still are learning after almost 25 years.

 

But I know what I'm writing, and more importantly, WHY I am writing it and have actually used what I write.

 

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@2015mhfashions wrote:

I see no reason to wait 21 days, if they have paid by whatever means which they obviously haven't prove it, it's not difficult, how do you open an INR case for something you know hasn't been paid for unless it's a blatant attempt at theft, whether they achieve anything or not is not the point, The unpaid item case was their chance to prove payment, they didn't.


I understand that feeling.  I too don't think it should take 21 days to get this case closed.  But the buyer won't be able to steal anything unless the seller willingly ships the item.  Which then would make it an issue as to why a seller would even do such a thing.

 

The buyer has no hope of getting money.


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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@earlyant-77 wrote:

@the*dog*ate*my*tablecloth wrote:

One of the many many things wrong with EBay. They can’t seem to train their bots..

 

How would one “train” software?


I've written programs that 'learn' and still are learning after almost 25 years.

 

But I know what I'm writing, and more importantly, WHY I am writing it and have actually used what I write.

 


I would venture a guess that most programs written for the Ebay site are not AI related.  Certainly not all programs written are written in a way to be an AI.


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