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Need a bit of help on this teapot

I am leaning towards Meiji but it could be Turkish? I don't see a makers mark. Any input appreciated.IMG_20200619_160057.jpg

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Gorgeous pot! I only deal in Japanese textiles, but for that pattern and shape I would lean towards Meiji - Turkish patterning seems to be more on a closer repeat format than the somewhat more free flowing on that teapot.  Also the floral/bird motif and the slightly flatter profile


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@zachman95 wrote:

I am leaning towards Meiji but it could be Turkish? I don't see a makers mark. Any input appreciated.IMG_20200619_160057.jpg


Cloisonne On Bronze Or Copper Meiji Teapot.

Its also possible that its Persian but, more than likely Meiji. With out more details its hard to say.

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Even though unmarked, could we please see the bottom?

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I've seen that cherry blossom and bird motif and little cloud sort of geometric background on a lot of tomesode kimono.  Also the cloisonne style.  There's some nice examples actually listed.

 

ETA: and colourway.  Maybe more photos?


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@chapeau-noir wrote:

I've seen that cherry blossom and bird motif and little cloud sort of geometric background on a lot of tomesode kimono.  Also the cloisonne style.  There's some nice examples actually listed.

 

ETA: and colourway.  Maybe more photos?


That is what I was thinking as well, the cherry blossom as well as the bird point towards Japan.

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@go-bad-chicken wrote:

@chapeau-noir wrote:

I've seen that cherry blossom and bird motif and little cloud sort of geometric background on a lot of tomesode kimono.  Also the cloisonne style.  There's some nice examples actually listed.

 

ETA: and colourway.  Maybe more photos?


That is what I was thinking as well, the cherry blossom as well as the bird point towards Japan.


I agree. Definitely NOT Turkish or Persian. And yes, the cherry-blossom is a give-away of Japanese origin. While the Chinese also use this motif, it is not exhibited the same way. As for the period - it could be a modernized version using the Meiji period style. A true Meiji would have a red mark on the bottom, and it would be made of porcelain. Very pretty, but I would not drink tea from it.

PW🐿

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Probably early to mid 20th century Chinese.  The fact that it is melon shape - with the indented shape of a melon around the body - makes it more interesting.  But, the polish/cleaner needs to be kept away from it.  That's the white stuff in the pitting of the enamel.

Not saying 'NO' doesn't mean 'YES'.

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@gracieallen01 wrote:

Probably early to mid 20th century Chinese.  The fact that it is melon shape - with the indented shape of a melon around the body - makes it more interesting.  But, the polish/cleaner needs to be kept away from it.  That's the white stuff in the pitting of the enamel.


Can you mention why you think it may be Chinese rather than Japanese (wanting to learn)? 


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The Chinese were very good craftsmen, but the Japanese were artists.  There isn't the care in the design or crafting of that piece.  The design is rigid and mechanical with conventional elements like the cloud cloisons.  Both the Chinese and Japanese used the same elements in their designs, it is how they used them.  Late Meiji was the 'Golden Age'  - roughly 1880 to 1920 - of cloisonne in Japan.  That was the time of the Totai (cloisonne on porcelain), that was the high time of wireless cloisonne (cloisonne that looked like a watercolor or painting), goldstone and moriage, cloisonne over foil (pigeon blood), bodyless cloisonne (where the enamel is left after the metal body is pulled).  Coben & Ferster put our a great book on it.  The pictured piece is quite likely made for export/western consumption.

Not saying 'NO' doesn't mean 'YES'.

The foolishness of one's actions or words is determined by the number of witnesses.

Perhaps if Brains were described as an APP, many people would use them more often.

Respect, like money, is only of 'worth' when it is earned - with all due respect, it can not be ordained, legislated or coerced. Anonymous
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As requested, adding a pic of the bottom and inner lid.

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@gracieallen01  VERY helpful - thank you! 


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