06-19-2020 05:04 PM
I am leaning towards Meiji but it could be Turkish? I don't see a makers mark. Any input appreciated.
06-19-2020 05:17 PM
Gorgeous pot! I only deal in Japanese textiles, but for that pattern and shape I would lean towards Meiji - Turkish patterning seems to be more on a closer repeat format than the somewhat more free flowing on that teapot. Also the floral/bird motif and the slightly flatter profile
06-19-2020 07:26 PM
@zachman95 wrote:I am leaning towards Meiji but it could be Turkish? I don't see a makers mark. Any input appreciated.
Cloisonne On Bronze Or Copper Meiji Teapot.
Its also possible that its Persian but, more than likely Meiji. With out more details its hard to say.
06-19-2020 09:36 PM
Even though unmarked, could we please see the bottom?
06-19-2020 09:38 PM - edited 06-19-2020 09:39 PM
I've seen that cherry blossom and bird motif and little cloud sort of geometric background on a lot of tomesode kimono. Also the cloisonne style. There's some nice examples actually listed.
ETA: and colourway. Maybe more photos?
06-19-2020 10:08 PM
@chapeau-noir wrote:I've seen that cherry blossom and bird motif and little cloud sort of geometric background on a lot of tomesode kimono. Also the cloisonne style. There's some nice examples actually listed.
ETA: and colourway. Maybe more photos?
That is what I was thinking as well, the cherry blossom as well as the bird point towards Japan.
06-19-2020 10:28 PM - edited 06-19-2020 10:29 PM
@go-bad-chicken wrote:
@chapeau-noir wrote:I've seen that cherry blossom and bird motif and little cloud sort of geometric background on a lot of tomesode kimono. Also the cloisonne style. There's some nice examples actually listed.
ETA: and colourway. Maybe more photos?
That is what I was thinking as well, the cherry blossom as well as the bird point towards Japan.
I agree. Definitely NOT Turkish or Persian. And yes, the cherry-blossom is a give-away of Japanese origin. While the Chinese also use this motif, it is not exhibited the same way. As for the period - it could be a modernized version using the Meiji period style. A true Meiji would have a red mark on the bottom, and it would be made of porcelain. Very pretty, but I would not drink tea from it.
PW🐿
06-19-2020 10:53 PM
Probably early to mid 20th century Chinese. The fact that it is melon shape - with the indented shape of a melon around the body - makes it more interesting. But, the polish/cleaner needs to be kept away from it. That's the white stuff in the pitting of the enamel.
06-19-2020 10:56 PM
@gracieallen01 wrote:Probably early to mid 20th century Chinese. The fact that it is melon shape - with the indented shape of a melon around the body - makes it more interesting. But, the polish/cleaner needs to be kept away from it. That's the white stuff in the pitting of the enamel.
Can you mention why you think it may be Chinese rather than Japanese (wanting to learn)?
06-19-2020 11:11 PM
The Chinese were very good craftsmen, but the Japanese were artists. There isn't the care in the design or crafting of that piece. The design is rigid and mechanical with conventional elements like the cloud cloisons. Both the Chinese and Japanese used the same elements in their designs, it is how they used them. Late Meiji was the 'Golden Age' - roughly 1880 to 1920 - of cloisonne in Japan. That was the time of the Totai (cloisonne on porcelain), that was the high time of wireless cloisonne (cloisonne that looked like a watercolor or painting), goldstone and moriage, cloisonne over foil (pigeon blood), bodyless cloisonne (where the enamel is left after the metal body is pulled). Coben & Ferster put our a great book on it. The pictured piece is quite likely made for export/western consumption.
06-20-2020 02:48 PM
As requested, adding a pic of the bottom and inner lid.
06-20-2020 04:28 PM
@gracieallen01 VERY helpful - thank you!