05-27-2021 09:11 AM
Rebecca Michals addressed some of the item specifics questions and concerns in the recent May Seller Check-In and I thought her answer gave some interesting insight into eBay's point of view on this topic.
https://youtu.be/rBQjuN3yTg0?t=2853
@glasser - I thought you might be particularly interested after your thoughtful questions in the chat on May 19th.
Item specifics, why do they continue to change?
There are a number of drivers for category and item specifics changes. One of the main ones is to support new products and new trends that we see happening in the marketplace.
Then there are programs that are related to supply and demand that we need to be able to support that require some changes to happen. And then also we want you to know that we are aligning all the sites and categories and item specifics to a global data model so that buyers and sellers have the best opportunities to transact globally and everything is, you know, an even playing field I guess.
And then in addition to the above, there are times that we have to make changes to meet a business requirement from legal or from policy from SEO, selling, search, shipping. So I think the takeaway here is that we are doing it on purpose because we truly believe that updating those items specifics will drive your business and will help result in more sales for you and a better experience for buyers.
Then the other part of this question is do we really have to do all of this? And I think that's a perennial question - do you have to do all of these item specifics?
So there's a whole team here at eBay that is working hard every day to make sure that the required item specifics are the most meaningful to buyers so that the specifics you put in are the ones that buyers are looking for.
Any other item specifics are either recommended or optional and are not going to stop you from listing or potentially having a successful sale if they're not completed.
And then the last thing I want to mention just to be really clear, please do fill in the required item specifics. That's really important. But there's lots of recommended ones and we do not suggest that you put in NA or not applicable if you find a recommended item specific that isn't relevant to the item that you're listing.
05-27-2021 09:27 AM
That's great info, but the larger issue is (still) the fact that the item specifics in several categories delete themselves after updating and/or remain in a "Required" state, despite exhaustive efforts to fill them out properly.
05-27-2021 10:02 AM
@valueaddedresource wrote:Rebecca Michals addressed some of the item specifics questions and concerns in the recent May Seller Check-In and I thought her answer gave some interesting insight into eBay's point of view on this topic.
https://youtu.be/rBQjuN3yTg0?t=2853
@glasser - I thought you might be particularly interested after your thoughtful questions in the chat on May 19th.
And then also we want you to know that we are aligning all the sites and categories and item specifics to a global data model so that buyers and sellers have the best opportunities to transact globally and everything is, you know, an even playing field I guess.
Glean through the corporate nonsensical verbiage and it seems to be further indication that Ebay is working directly with Chinese manufacturers and using the information that we input to advise those manufacturers what to knock off and what to then sell and in all likelihood Ebay is getting some sort of kickback out of the information they provide.
Praise the major and minor gods that I am only trying to make lunch money here and not trying to make a living.
05-27-2021 10:25 AM
@m60driver wrote:
@valueaddedresource wrote:Rebecca Michals addressed some of the item specifics questions and concerns in the recent May Seller Check-In and I thought her answer gave some interesting insight into eBay's point of view on this topic.
https://youtu.be/rBQjuN3yTg0?t=2853
@glasser - I thought you might be particularly interested after your thoughtful questions in the chat on May 19th.
And then also we want you to know that we are aligning all the sites and categories and item specifics to a global data model so that buyers and sellers have the best opportunities to transact globally and everything is, you know, an even playing field I guess.
Glean through the corporate nonsensical verbiage and it seems to be further indication that Ebay is working directly with Chinese manufacturers and using the information that we input to advise those manufacturers what to knock off and what to then sell and in all likelihood Ebay is getting some sort of kickback out of the information they provide.
Praise the major and minor gods that I am only trying to make lunch money here and not trying to make a living.
@m60driver I try not to read too much into things without more information, but I agree that answer seems to at least indicate there may be more eBay-serving interests that are driving this push for item specifics, not just buyer and seller interests.
05-27-2021 12:39 PM
@valueaddedresource I appreciate you posting this.
However, it is typical eBay opaque language. What I say to eBay (pardon the paraphrase Jerry Maguire) show me the data. Show me the data that reveals that sellers who use more item specifics have better sell through rates, that their items are higher in search results, Show me the data that indicate successful sales by the number of specifics buyers used in making a purchase. Explain in more detail how eBay will use specifics when buying paid searches on FB and Google. In other words give me the the data so I can improve my business rather than just trusting you.
Show me how having 5-7 specifics is better than 4. Show me the way people actually find stuff on eBay so I can improve my listings. Not only specifics but titles as well. They have this data and they should share it.
eBay wants buyers to more and more see eBay as the selling site not the sellers themselves (see the app where seller is the lowest thing on the page). This is flawed thinking. Sellers are eBay's primary customers. We actually generated the revenue. Buyers are sellers customers and we bear the responsibility for customer satisfaction and growing our businesses. eBay sees Amazon and Walmart as the competition. I see other eBay sellers as the competition (nothing I sell available on Amazon or Walmart).
this line irks me:
So there's a whole team here at eBay that is working hard every day to make sure that the required item specifics are the most meaningful to buyers so that the specifics you put in are the ones that buyers are looking for.
Why not spend time with sellers. Most of us know what we sell and how to attract buyers. Stop spending so much on the buyer experience. eBay is doing the most for me not by new bells and whistles and new rules. They do they best for me when they actually work to attract new buyers. They shouldn't be trying to be like Amazon. They should be looking to steal customers from Amazon. eBay sellers and there 1-1 relationship with buyers is something Amazon can never replicate. Help us do the best job at that.
This one irks me as well:
Notice in this statement:
And then in addition to the above, there are times that we have to make changes to meet a business requirement from legal or from policy from SEO, selling, search, shipping. So I think the takeaway here is that we are doing it on purpose because we truly believe that updating those items specifics will drive your business and will help result in more sales for you and a better experience for buyers.
See how sellers are an after thought in that paragraph?
Like I said show me the data not the marketing platitudes or corporate speak.
Sellers are your partners. Start treating them like and not as children who need to be told how to behave.
05-27-2021 12:41 PM
@popblox wrote:That's great info, but the larger issue is (still) the fact that the item specifics in several categories delete themselves after updating and/or remain in a "Required" state, despite exhaustive efforts to fill them out properly.
@popblox that's an excellent point! I think sellers might be a little more willing to "hang in there" and trust eBay that this is for the overall good of sellers, buyers, and the marketplace if their efforts weren't wasted on frustrating repetitive entry like this.
05-27-2021 12:53 PM
"Show me the data that reveals that sellers who use more item specifics have better sell through rates,"
Enough experimenting with this shows it to be true as any specifics left out drop you in the search rating.
The folks at eBay seem to be going to specifics over catagory for the search perimeters to show users what they are searching for.
I get garbage not even related to a search in the list now days.
Stupid is as stupid does... eBay will take a hit off of this before it is over, if not already.
It will of course also have folks using specifics to see there junk not even related to that specific,
if it is not already being done...
05-27-2021 01:43 PM
@glasser wrote:@valueaddedresource I appreciate you posting this.
However, it is typical eBay opaque language. What I say to eBay (pardon the paraphrase Jerry Maguire) show me the data. Show me the data that reveals that sellers who use more item specifics have better sell through rates, that their items are higher in search results, Show me the data that indicate successful sales by the number of specifics buyers used in making a purchase. Explain in more detail how eBay will use specifics when buying paid searches on FB and Google. In other words give me the the data so I can improve my business rather than just trusting you.
Show me how having 5-7 specifics is better than 4. Show me the way people actually find stuff on eBay so I can improve my listings. Not only specifics but titles as well. They have this data and they should share it.
eBay wants buyers to more and more see eBay as the selling site not the sellers themselves (see the app where seller is the lowest thing on the page). This is flawed thinking. Sellers are eBay's primary customers. We actually generated the revenue. Buyers are sellers customers and we bear the responsibility for customer satisfaction and growing our businesses. eBay sees Amazon and Walmart as the competition. I see other eBay sellers as the competition (nothing I sell available on Amazon or Walmart).
this line irks me:
So there's a whole team here at eBay that is working hard every day to make sure that the required item specifics are the most meaningful to buyers so that the specifics you put in are the ones that buyers are looking for.
Why not spend time with sellers. Most of us know what we sell and how to attract buyers. Stop spending so much on the buyer experience. eBay is doing the most for me not by new bells and whistles and new rules. They do they best for me when they actually work to attract new buyers. They shouldn't be trying to be like Amazon. They should be looking to steal customers from Amazon. eBay sellers and there 1-1 relationship with buyers is something Amazon can never replicate. Help us do the best job at that.
This one irks me as well:
Notice in this statement:
And then in addition to the above, there are times that we have to make changes to meet a business requirement from legal or from policy from SEO, selling, search, shipping. So I think the takeaway here is that we are doing it on purpose because we truly believe that updating those items specifics will drive your business and will help result in more sales for you and a better experience for buyers.
See how sellers are an after thought in that paragraph?
Like I said show me the data not the marketing platitudes or corporate speak.
Sellers are your partners. Start treating them like and not as children who need to be told how to behave.
@glasser no pardon needed for the paraphrase 😉 and I think that is more than a fair request.
While I appreciated Rebecca taking the time to acknowledge the issue in the check-in, for me it just opened up more questions (like what you are asking about specifics on the data).
I absolutely agree with you about sellers and the unique products plus 1 to 1 relationships we bring being a huge positive differentiator for eBay vs other marketplaces.
I honestly think most of the friction around this comes from the lack of communication and frustration about the repetitive entry and feeling like this is all just a huge waste of time that may not result in much positive benefit.
If eBay wants to get sellers on board and be the "seller partner of choice" as Jamie Iannone likes to say, like you said, they are going to have to be willing to engage us like adults and have the kind of conversations partners would normally have when trying to hash out why a certain path forward is in the best interests of all parties.
Hopefully Rebecca is open to engaging with more of the in depth questions & concerns presented here.
05-27-2021 01:48 PM
If buyers can't find what they want with the search bar and we need to have item specifics for people to find our stuff....who has dropped the ball and why has it taken years to make searching MORE complicated instead of less?
05-27-2021 02:29 PM
@glasser wrote:@valueaddedresource I appreciate you posting this.
However, it is typical eBay opaque language. What I say to eBay (pardon the paraphrase Jerry Maguire) show me the data. Show me the data that reveals that sellers who use more item specifics have better sell through rates, that their items are higher in search results, Show me the data that indicate successful sales by the number of specifics buyers used in making a purchase. Explain in more detail how eBay will use specifics when buying paid searches on FB and Google. In other words give me the the data so I can improve my business rather than just trusting you.
Show me how having 5-7 specifics is better than 4. Show me the way people actually find stuff on eBay so I can improve my listings. Not only specifics but titles as well. They have this data and they should share it.
eBay wants buyers to more and more see eBay as the selling site not the sellers themselves (see the app where seller is the lowest thing on the page). This is flawed thinking. Sellers are eBay's primary customers. We actually generated the revenue. Buyers are sellers customers and we bear the responsibility for customer satisfaction and growing our businesses. eBay sees Amazon and Walmart as the competition. I see other eBay sellers as the competition (nothing I sell available on Amazon or Walmart).
this line irks me:
So there's a whole team here at eBay that is working hard every day to make sure that the required item specifics are the most meaningful to buyers so that the specifics you put in are the ones that buyers are looking for.
Why not spend time with sellers. Most of us know what we sell and how to attract buyers. Stop spending so much on the buyer experience. eBay is doing the most for me not by new bells and whistles and new rules. They do they best for me when they actually work to attract new buyers. They shouldn't be trying to be like Amazon. They should be looking to steal customers from Amazon. eBay sellers and there 1-1 relationship with buyers is something Amazon can never replicate. Help us do the best job at that.
This one irks me as well:
Notice in this statement:
And then in addition to the above, there are times that we have to make changes to meet a business requirement from legal or from policy from SEO, selling, search, shipping. So I think the takeaway here is that we are doing it on purpose because we truly believe that updating those items specifics will drive your business and will help result in more sales for you and a better experience for buyers.
See how sellers are an after thought in that paragraph?
Like I said show me the data not the marketing platitudes or corporate speak.
Sellers are your partners. Start treating them like and not as children who need to be told how to behave.
Well said.🐔👍
05-27-2021 02:48 PM
What sellers need to realize and remember is that what eBay is ommiting telling thwm is that the item specifics changes will help drive eBay's Promoted Listings program by being able to better and more accurately target sellers listing due to the added item specifics.
For eBay this is a win. For some of its sellers who are using promoted listings heavily this is a win. But for many of its sellers this will just amount to their listings being used but now more accurately.
But no one at eBay will actually say out loud in public.
05-27-2021 03:17 PM
I'd be interested to hear how rebecca@ebay thinks this is helping to drive more sales and a better buyer experience?
05-27-2021 03:36 PM
Not going to weigh in here at length, but checked my Listing Quality Report yesterday and it said Google rejected two of my items because they did not include "age range". (The reason they didn't include "age range" is because it does not apply to the two items , and because ebay did not offer that as an item specific and I would never have thought to make it a custom made IS, because, as noted, it really doesn't apply (as it would with say, a puzzle or game)
So, yes, Google looks for certain "structured data" but even ebay can't be certain just what Google wants for every item. I attended an eBay Open a few years ago and ebay had Google employees there who explained the stuff Google looks for. Unless things have dramatically changed since then, Googles does indeed want structured data (ebay calls it Item Specifics, other sites use other names, but ultimately it's all the same thing.)
05-28-2021 07:31 AM
05-28-2021 09:05 AM
@my-cottage-books-and-antiques This is exactly what eBay should be educating sellers about before they implement a change. How does item specifics play with search off eBay. To be effective, many sellers would be happy to learn more about this and this could be blended with eBay's changes. Otherwise seems arbitrary to most people or it cloaked in vague language like to help SEO. which likely means close to zero for most people.
In fact, rather then requiring specifics they could just indicate which ones are better SEO. All they do know, at least where I sell, is show how many searches by that specific--usually so low as to irrelevant.