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Is there really nothing anyone can do in obvious scam situations?

I don't know much about most products that exist in the world. I have my own little corner of items, like most people, where my knowledge about them probably well exceeds the casual consumer. I know what red flags to look out for, and the importance of maintaining an open-minded scrutiny, even in the face of multiple flags hoisted at once.

 

I never go looking for these things anymore, because they're everywhere. However, when I stumble upon one by accident, I spend 5 minutes or so digging for info, and the blatantly grotesque incidents I have a difficulty just letting go of, feeling like, I wish there was something I could do to get someone who could stop a scam to realize, it's a scam.

 

I'm currently watching one now, where the seller is cashing in (in the hundreds, will soon hit the thousands) by "implying" something might be authentic, when in fact, his own low feedback shows where he bought the fake versions. He's blatantly lying about where his "might be the real thing" items came from. Most collectors of this kind of product know it's a scam, and do not bid or buy. However, enough casual, inexperienced buyers do fall for it, enough so that a 50 cent purchase turns into over a $200 sell, based solely on the false information "implied" in the listing....(it's like saying, could be real, I don't know? Here's where I got it and what it looks like....possibly the real thing you decide).

 

He's also shill bidding his own auctions. Same 0 FB bidder has multiple bids and then they're all retracted on each auction. (seller has since changed to private FB). That's something I can't prove, but eBay could.

 

This item is worthless. By implying it "might" be authentic, this seller is already approaching a small fortune, and keeps re-listing new versions every single day.

 

I know the eBay ID of the first buyer. I thought of messaging them, but then decided against it. Last thing I want to do is break any rules. I've seen some people say that nothing can be done in situations like this unless the buyers themselves realize their item is not at all what is being implied. Problem with that is, people with little knowledge of the item, are never going to realize it's counterfeit. That seems like a "chance" auction to me...implying something "might be" authentic (and if authentic, worth thousands of dollars)...but also feigning ignorance about authenticity at the same time.

 

I just hate to see people get ripped off on here, it hurts everyone, and I wish there was a more viable option besides "report item" with only 100 spaces of text, which is useless without someone who is familiar with that kind of item actually spending 5 minutes to review it.

 

/late-night feeling helpless rant over. 

I hope everyone has a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.  

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Is there really nothing anyone can do in obvious scam situations?

It seems that each member can Report a listing once, and it will be noted, but it takes 'several' members to call attention to the Reports.

Which is as it should be or a good listing could be removed by a mischievous or angry or mistaken member.

If you posted the title of the questionable listings, others could make up their own minds about its honesty.

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Is there really nothing anyone can do in obvious scam situations?

Nunyabidness.

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Is there really nothing anyone can do in obvious scam situations?

Many threads have been started by those who were suspended for selling counterfeits and they usually state, but look at my feedback!  100%.

 

But as you state, buyers may not have realized that the item was counterfeit, or if they did, they may not care.  

 

You can report.  I think you were wise to not step in otherwise.

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I wanna know what the item is.....?
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Is there really nothing anyone can do in obvious scam situations?

I was speaking about counterfeits in general, but if this was meant for the OP, the OP hasn't stated what it was.

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Is there really nothing anyone can do in obvious scam situations?

I don't want to out anyone specifically, I don't want to break the rules here. I just wish there was a more acceptable verification process of authenticity for certain high-risk items. Logistically, I don't see how that would be possible. Anyone unfamiliar with a certain type of item may look at something like this, and see nothing wrong. I see a lot about fake handbags, but I know nothing about handbags, so I doubt I could spot a counterfeit. I guess I can only hope this seller's buyers are more educated, and get their money back.
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Is there really nothing anyone can do in obvious scam situations?

eBay has the MBG for buyer to shop and buy with confidence.  eBay also has very strict seller standards sellers have to meet in order to stay active as a seller.

 

These two things will weed out the bad sellers in short time.  I am glad you have made a decision based on your knowledge.

 

I would not get involved past your own interests in the product and probable would suggest staying out of other buyer and seller actions. 

 

Your involvement in other users actions is basically Transaction Interference  -- Click here to learn more about this eBay policy

 

Good Luck Selling!

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Is there really nothing anyone can do in obvious scam situations?


@goodluckselling wrote:

eBay has the MBG for buyer to shop and buy with confidence.  eBay also has very strict seller standards sellers have to meet in order to stay active as a seller.

 

These two things will weed out the bad sellers in short time.  I am glad you have made a decision based on your knowledge.

 

I would not get involved past your own interests in the product and probable would suggest staying out of other buyer and seller actions. 

 

Your involvement in other users actions is basically Transaction Interference  -- Click here to learn more about this eBay policy

 

Good Luck Selling!


I'm not being proactive about it at all. 

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@sam9876 wrote:

Nunyabidness.


Counterfeiting and fraud is everyone's business.

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@ads*and*ends wrote:

 

 

(seller has since changed to private FB).

 



Then he's not selling anymore.  You can't sell with private feedback.

 


@ads*and*ends wrote:

 

(it's like saying, could be real, I don't know? Here's where I got it and what it looks like....possibly the real thing you decide).

 



These statements in a listing are an eBay policy violation.  Sellers need to know that their items are authentic.  Disclaimers are not allowed.

 

https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/prohibited-restricted-items/authenticity-disclaimer-policy?id=433...

 

You can't list items that aren't guaranteed to be authentic. You also can't add a disclaimer to a listing or product saying you're not sure whether or not the item is genuine. Examples of this type of disclaimer are included in our full guidelines below.

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@muttlymob wrote:

@ads*and*ends wrote:

 

 

(seller has since changed to private FB).

 



Then he's not selling anymore.  You can't sell with private feedback.

 


I meant the bidders and bids have been changed to private, not the seller's FB. 

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@ads*and*ends wrote:


I meant the bidders and bids have been changed to private, not the seller's FB. 


Sounds like someone alerted him that his shilling was obvious.

 

Wonder if eBay got a report(s) and instead of shutting him down, they gave him a warning.

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@goodluckselling wrote:

eBay has the MBG for buyer to shop and buy with confidence.  eBay also has very strict seller standards sellers have to meet in order to stay active as a seller.

 

These two things will weed out the bad sellers in short time.  I am glad you have made a decision based on your knowledge.

 

I would not get involved past your own interests in the product and probable would suggest staying out of other buyer and seller actions. 

 

Your involvement in other users actions is basically Transaction Interference  -- Click here to learn more about this eBay policy

 

Good Luck Selling!


It's been 23 years now. I don't think that applies anymore. Unfortunately, eBay's policies have always snagged too many dolphins and not enough tuna. 

 

 

Chaos is NOT an "industry standard".
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