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Is buyer entitled to refund if he can't figure out how to use device?

On 1/25, I had a buyer purchase a VCR that digitizes VHS tapes.  In my listing, I told bidders that the system is designed for Windows XP/Vista, but I got it to work with Windows 10 by downloading and installing the updated drivers from the manufacturers's website.  Here's the listing if you want to check it out: https://www.ebay.com/itm/153344903454

 

Buyer bids, wins, and receives item.  He is now messaging me a week later that he wants a refund because he cannot figure out how to get it to work with his computer, that he is receiving error messages, etc.  I researched the messages he claimed to be receiving but couldn't find anything about them online.  Last night, I sent him a detailed message with some suggestions as to how fix the issue - by downloading the proper drivers, contacting the manufacturer, posting on various online forums, etc.  He is now telling me has done those things but still cannot get it to work.  He is going to follow up with the manufacturer on Monday for further assistance.  

 

Assuming he cannot get it work (when I used the system over the past month to convert over 30 VHS tapes), will eBay support his claim and issue a refund?  Is user ineptitude not a valid defense to his refund request?  You can't buy a guitar and seek a refund when you don't know how to play it right away...the issue isn't the product, it's the user.  

 

But I know eBay is very buyer-friendly, so I appreciate any guidance on whether this falls under the "faulty/damaged" part of the Buyer Guarantee, or whether I have a chance fighting this, especially when it's a more expensive item (sold for $82) with free shipping that I paid for ($30).

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Is buyer entitled to refund if he can't figure out how to use device?

Yes.  It sounds like the buyer is pursuing all avenues to get it to work, but if it still doesn't work, even if you suspect user error, he still can get a refund, because the item did not work for him as described.

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Is buyer entitled to refund if he can't figure out how to use device?

Was this a local pick-up?

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Is buyer entitled to refund if he can't figure out how to use device?

OP, if the buyer files for a refund then you'll need to accept it in the eBay system and have eBay issue a return label.  eBay C-S will no longer consider any evidence that will challenge the return request. Afterwards you may be able to recover your shipping, but that's about it. 

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Is buyer entitled to refund if he can't figure out how to use device?

No, shipped it to him.
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Is buyer entitled to refund if he can't figure out how to use device?

Wow. Seems a bit backwards. I looked at the forums I recommended to him, and I do not see posts from him. He also claims to have received a "beeping noise" when he tried to call customer service, but when I tried the number just now, someone answers. He's either messing with me or completely inept. Either way I don't see how a refund should issue at this point unless the device is truly somehow defective.
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Is buyer entitled to refund if he can't figure out how to use device?

Too bad.

 

You might try to stall them out but that clock has lots of time left.

 

You DON'T have to take it back but you DO have to refund.

 

Buyer gets a refund in 99.99% of the time even if it was because they didn't like the temperature the day it was delivered or how you spell your name.

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@designforyou wrote:

Yes.  It sounds like the buyer is pursuing all avenues to get it to work, but if it still doesn't work, even if you suspect user error, he still can get a refund, because the item did not work for him as described.


Yes, Ebay doesn't want buyers to feel they are stuck with something~so in the end, MBG will prevail.

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Is buyer entitled to refund if he can't figure out how to use device?

If you couldn't get something to work..........would you expect a refund?

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Good question!!!!

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@dhbookds wrote:

If you couldn't get something to work..........would you expect a refund?


If it was my fault no.

 

...but I know ebay will give me my money back for any reason good or bad

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@dhbookds wrote:

If you couldn't get something to work..........would you expect a refund?


I would not expect a refund without having to return the item first.

Déjà Moo: The strange feeling that I've heard this bull before...
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@dhbookds wrote:

If you couldn't get something to work..........would you expect a refund?


No.   If I buy a computer, take it home and I can't figure out how to use it,  I would certainly not request a return.   I would figure out how to use it.   You can find out almost anything you want to on how to work with an item on the internet.

This doesn't sound like a question of the item not working but of the  buyer not being able to figure out how to work it.

At the very least, if I did request a refund, I would most certainly pay for the return myself.   It would be no fault of the seller that I was having a hard time trying to get it to work.

COYOTES RULE!!!

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Buyer (and every bidder/watcher/viewer) was fully informed of installation issues upfront.  He should have done proper due diligence (i.e. online research, verifying he had the proper technical chops, etc.) before buying.  

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@rosewood85 wrote:

Buyer (and every bidder/watcher/viewer) was fully informed of installation issues upfront.  He should have done proper due diligence (i.e. online research, verifying he had the proper technical chops, etc.) before buying.  


If eBay supported that, how would they know if the buyer was at fault or the item was just plain defective?

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