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INR now closed in my favour - the story of what happened with this transaction...

I have results from the INR Case - decided in my favour. Now that I won the case and the buyer can't leave me feedback, I can post what actually happened with this transaction. (I realize there can be a SNAD/CC Chargeback... I'll cross that bridge if I get there).

 

So I had a set of USSR coins that I listed at auction with the world coin listings for 1.29 to start. The same day they went up (but after bids), a buyer contacts me to offer me $35 to cancel their bids, sell it to him, and how he'll pay right away. (They always say they're going to pay right away, like I'm desperate for the money from that sale or the whole world's going to end). I told the buyer no, it's an auction, if you want it, bid on it.

 

Fast forward 7 days, I hadn't checked the auction in the morning, but I do remember the notification when it sold... $255, to that buyer that offered me $35. Oh, I knew this was going to be trouble, but I wasn't sure what I could do about that would be any different from what I normally do. I sent him an invoice, waived the shipping charges as a favour (by my initiative), and shipped his packaged the next day when he paid.

Package was delivered June 30.

 

Fast forward to July 6, I get a message from the buyer that says "I didn't actually receive this package, it wasn't delivered to my mailbox. This is the first time this has happened. I've opened a missing mail claim and was wondering if you could do this as well from your end." (BTW, the buyer did not open any claims with USPS, these show up when you look at the tracking, and mine was the only one there). While I figure he probably did get the package and just wants his $255 back because it's $220 more than he wanted to spend, I had to do my due diligence to help the buyer.

 

I opened a package research case (scanned delivered but not received), and waited to find out which post office is handling it so I could follow up with them. I provided the information to the buyer, and he thanked me for this.

 

I did my research... that always starts with me checking my OWN records on past sales to see what I can learn... this is what I found out:
- Buyer is using a person in the US as a freight forward (not a company)
- This person has lived at his address in USA at least 5 years (as per my records of past shipments)
- Buyer is the owner of a coin dealing website in Europe that's well known in the community of Euro collectors
- Buyer lives in Europe, and packages are forwarded

 

On the night of July 7, at 11pm Eastern Time, someone from that area code called me (I traced the number, turns out it was his post office doing after hours work on cases), but not going to answer an unknown call at 11pm. I called the post office back in the morning and spoke with one of the supervisors.

 

This is what I found out...
- Someone checked mailboxes in the area to see if the package was misdelivered
- GPS indicates it was delivered to the right address
- Mailman was in the office when I called - 8:30 Pacific time - knows the customer, remembers the package, and said he delivered it correctly

 

USPS closed out the case as "correctly delivered". I screen capped the email (taking out my email address) and send it to the buyer, and never heard from the buyer again. This was on July 8.

 

I did follow up with eBay and they looked into the account and agreed with me that he's using a freight forwarder and is not eligible for coverage, however because tracking shows as delivered, it will close out in my favour anyway. I was advised to call back today, July 12, to ask for them to close it out, which they did, in my favour.

 

I'm waiting to see if my coins appear on his website for sale... (I'm assuming that's why he bought them).

 

C.

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I was waiting for the results of what happened. Wow...A lot of work and hours went into this situation with this buyer. Not all buyers are honest apparently. That c.c. chargeback is scary but maybe...just maybe it won't happen. Someone doing too many c.c. chargebacks will probably get their account frozen here or even their banking institution. So maybe buyer might have done too many already and it won't happen. Or maybe buyer doesn't about doing a c.c. chargeback. 

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"Not all buyers are honest apparently."

Unless this was meant as sarcasm (and we really need an emoji), then, for your sake, hope this is NOT a recent discovery.  

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Great followup and writeup.  Good read.  Lot of pertinent information concerning INR.  Thanks for posting.

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@sin-n-dex wrote:

I have results from the INR Case - decided in my favour. Now that I won the case and the buyer can't leave me feedback, I can post what actually happened with this transaction. (I realize there can be a SNAD/CC Chargeback... I'll cross that bridge if I get there).

 

So I had a set of USSR coins that I listed at auction with the world coin listings for 1.29 to start. The same day they went up (but after bids), a buyer contacts me to offer me $35 to cancel their bids, sell it to him, and how he'll pay right away. (They always say they're going to pay right away, like I'm desperate for the money from that sale or the whole world's going to end). I told the buyer no, it's an auction, if you want it, bid on it.

 

Fast forward 7 days, I hadn't checked the auction in the morning, but I do remember the notification when it sold... $255, to that buyer that offered me $35. Oh, I knew this was going to be trouble, but I wasn't sure what I could do about that would be any different from what I normally do. I sent him an invoice, waived the shipping charges as a favour (by my initiative), and shipped his packaged the next day when he paid.

Package was delivered June 30.

 

Fast forward to July 6, I get a message from the buyer that says "I didn't actually receive this package, it wasn't delivered to my mailbox. This is the first time this has happened. I've opened a missing mail claim and was wondering if you could do this as well from your end." (BTW, the buyer did not open any claims with USPS, these show up when you look at the tracking, and mine was the only one there). While I figure he probably did get the package and just wants his $255 back because it's $220 more than he wanted to spend, I had to do my due diligence to help the buyer.

 

I opened a package research case (scanned delivered but not received), and waited to find out which post office is handling it so I could follow up with them. I provided the information to the buyer, and he thanked me for this.

 

I did my research... that always starts with me checking my OWN records on past sales to see what I can learn... this is what I found out:
- Buyer is using a person in the US as a freight forward (not a company)
- This person has lived at his address in USA at least 5 years (as per my records of past shipments)
- Buyer is the owner of a coin dealing website in Europe that's well known in the community of Euro collectors
- Buyer lives in Europe, and packages are forwarded

 

On the night of July 7, at 11pm Eastern Time, someone from that area code called me (I traced the number, turns out it was his post office doing after hours work on cases), but not going to answer an unknown call at 11pm. I called the post office back in the morning and spoke with one of the supervisors.

 

This is what I found out...
- Someone checked mailboxes in the area to see if the package was misdelivered
- GPS indicates it was delivered to the right address
- Mailman was in the office when I called - 8:30 Pacific time - knows the customer, remembers the package, and said he delivered it correctly

 

USPS closed out the case as "correctly delivered". I screen capped the email (taking out my email address) and send it to the buyer, and never heard from the buyer again. This was on July 8.

 

I did follow up with eBay and they looked into the account and agreed with me that he's using a freight forwarder and is not eligible for coverage, however because tracking shows as delivered, it will close out in my favour anyway. I was advised to call back today, July 12, to ask for them to close it out, which they did, in my favour.

 

I'm waiting to see if my coins appear on his website for sale... (I'm assuming that's why he bought them).

 

C.


After all that, you did BBL this Buyer, correct??


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I had a buyer doing a credit card chargeback. I didn't know what it was because all I know is my account was deducted a certain amount of money. It was stated as buyer didn't recognize purchase. I just assume it was someone who didn't remember buying from me. I just let it go. I didn't contest it. So I didn't get an extra $20. charge.

I also when I was young and dumb (didn't take returns) I refused a return at the post office from buyer and he won and I got charged $20.00. I won on eBay but lost with his banking. The reason I refused the return at the post office was because (I sell stamps)...it was a sealed bag with something gooey and had tracking on it.I didn't even touch that.

 

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After all that, you did BBL this Buyer, correct??


That buyer was BBL as soon as the INR was opened... it doesn't matter to me that he bought from me a few times before without problems. The only way off the BBL is if I found out the package was misdelivered... but since it was not, then basically a buyer I would rather not deal with again. (And there is a place for scammers on my BBL).

 

C.

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