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I've never seen this before...

justforposting_1960
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In the 6 years I have been on ebay, I've never seen my sales charts look like this:

 

No Sales.jpgAnd never thought I would. Smiley Sad

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I've never seen this before...

Do you have anything listed at all?
Or it could be -
Collectors items are not only an oversaturated market, but people are moving away from that hobby.
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I've never seen this before...

Something is definitely up. We're the #1 seller in our category and we had a huge drop.

 

I'm not able to give exact numbers, but let's say our average sales on a weekday was X, and we reached X at least 3 times per week, usually 4-5 on weeks outside of holidays.

 

Right now we haven't hit X in 20 days. We've had the worst 2 weeks we've had in over 3 years, since we started keeping daily statistics.

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@beez5720 wrote:
Do you have anything listed at all?
Or it could be -
Collectors items are not only an oversaturated market, but people are moving away from that hobby.

I currently have over 50 items listed and more than half of those are not collectables.

I had my best 2 months ever this past mid-February through mid-April.

I haven't had a sale since April 21st.

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I've never seen this before...

I completely agree with you !!!  My stats look the same...and I too had the best January / February / March yet.  Come April everything TANKED.  I truly believe it has a LOT to do with the GTC option.  I don't want to have to make all of my items auction (and start the auction at the absolute LOWEST I am willing to take) but I will got that route if the GOOD TIL CANCELLED doesn't change.  It has buried my items (and I sell 90% collectibles) and has completely eliminated the sense of urgency from customers.  People watch and watch but without the end date there they just wait to see if anyone else will list it lower or I will keep lowering the price.  I truly don't like this new formula!

 

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I've never seen this before...

My sales are way down too. I can't believe that buyers suddenly stopped buying diecast cars. 99% of my diecast cars are mint to nearmint and all are less than 9.99. Something is definitely going on here. I am starting to look at 2 other venues to list. But I am an old dog and I do NOT like to learn new tricks. ebay needs to get rid of GTC at least in the collectibles/vintage categories.
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I've never seen this before...

I'd be very scared if the Market chart shows that 100% drop too.

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I've never seen this before...

Mine look the same and I'm a direct seller. This is unacceptable. 

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I've never seen this before...


@ms.rodriguez* wrote:
My sales are way down too. I can't believe that buyers suddenly stopped buying diecast cars. 99% of my diecast cars are mint to nearmint and all are less than 9.99. Something is definitely going on here. I am starting to look at 2 other venues to list. But I am an old dog and I do NOT like to learn new tricks. ebay needs to get rid of GTC at least in the collectibles/vintage categories.

@terriyoga wrote:

Come April everything TANKED.  I truly believe it has a LOT to do with the GTC option.  

 


I've tried to give insight on this, and would like to do it again to make sure everyone is aware.

 

It's partially true that it's the GTC option. But not necessarily for the reasons people think.

 

The thing is, since 2018, eBay has started using a drastically different algorithm based on their own SEO statistics.

 

Please let me explain:

 

Prior to 2018: The algorithm considered Sales History as the #1 most important metric, followed by Seller Level, and any metric penalties. If you had a strong sales history, building happy repeat customers, you were rewarded with better visibility.  If you had a poor history, you would inadvertently be punished. 

 

This system both had design in place for "healthy competition" with other sellers, as well as "quality control".

 

Jan 2018 Onward: Sales history has become one of many statistics used. From pricing, catalog comparisons, to Free Returns, Free Shipping, Guaranteed Delivery, Handling Time, Estimated Time of Delivery, Promotions, Sponsored Listings, Refurbished/New, Slash-through pricing.

 

The problem beginning in 2018: Many of these statistics used in the algorithm conflict with each other. It's simply not possible to have best pricing, while offering Free Returns/Shipping/Guaranteed Delivery.

 

This means it's no longer to score "highly" on the listing, compared to pre-2018. Let's say with a stellar sales history, you could score a perfect "100" in your eBay Ranking Score. Now, it's not possible. You can't score perfect on all these metrics. At best, you will be only a fraction of the ranking score you used to get.

 

This forced a change in eBay's search: For awhile you could see fluctuations. For a few weeks, "Free Returns" are on top of search. Next few weeks, "Cheapest Price" was on top of search. Either way they balance it, it's unfiar.

 

So now they changed how search works. Try some searches in your sales category. You will notice eBay tries to include varied listings of all the metrics I listed earlier! You will see some "cheapest price". You will see some "Free Returns", some GD, some refurbished, etc.

 

This introduced "randomness" in to the search, in addition to making it so you're competing for less spots than before. If your search page was 50 results, now a portion of those 50 are reserved for Sponsored ads, a portion are saved for Promotions, a portion are saved for Refurbished.

 

The problem got worse: Then alongside the changes to returns, no longer being able to appeal return reasons, they introduced the 4% (now 5%) FVF penalty for poor return metrics. 

At this time, they also basically eliminated "quality control". If you check top sellers in many categories, you'll see feedback scores of only 70-80% positive. Feedback is no longer considered. 

The return metrics are no longer considered either.

 

Why? Because those sellers with the 4-5% FVF penalty would "not be able to improve their metrics if they did not get sales". 

 

The real reason why? Because giving visibility to sellers with FVF penalties improves eBay's profit.

 

Basically, they traded Quality Control, for profit. Which is ridiculous, as Quality Control was typically buyers biggest issue with eBay. Yet they claim to be "buyer focused"?

What does this have to do with GTC? Many sellers are under the impression that GTC was easier to find with ending soon, etc.

 

This is not the real reason for the issues.

 

I've worked with many managers, sellers health employees, etc. One consistent thing they advised is that many sellers "swear by 30 day listings" as they perform better. 

 

Why were they performing better? Specifically in 2018? Because 30 day listings effectively ignored the eBay SEO statistics. With only 30 days at a time, they didn't build up enough information to be used by the algorithms. So they naturally had solid placement in search.

 

This is the true reason for the GTC change!!! This is why eBay was insistent to not revert the GTC change! It had nothing to do with the reasons they claimed. It had everything to do with the fact that not using GTC allowed sellers to get around their algorithms.

 

The current problem: Now everyone has to conform to GTC, which means everyone is now seeing the problems with eBay's search system and SEO metrics.

 

But to be clear, these issues are NOT new! Sellers who sold GTC (such as us) had experienced these issues since the beginning of 2018!

 

Sadly, now everyone is facing the same issues.

 

My only hope since the GTC changes is that this brings enough attention to the problems that they are fixed. But at this point, it's obviously going in the opposite direction.

 

Increasing the FVF penalty from 4% to 5% makes it clear that they are banking on the profits from the FVF penalty. Which also means they are sticking with their guns, and are not going to restore any form of quality control. As long as it benefits them for sellers to have poor metrics, they will continue on their current path.

 

Without any "quality control", there's no path to "healthy competition". As well as eBay is weakening themselves in the eCommerce market by bringing quality service lower, and prices on eBay higher.

 

Without any form of "healthy competition" where sellers can put in work to improve their placement on eBay, eBay as a marketplace is destined to fail. The "company" and "stock" may thrive from the profits. But as the stock report shown, the sales will decline. Which will eventually burst the bubble.

 

What was my point of writing all this? I want to make sure people understand, that GTC is not the issue. Even if they remove GTC, they will find another way for the algorithms to affect all sellers!

 

The problem is actually the algorithms, and the new search design! It's designed in a way that inevitably causes a decline, and the algorithms have removed "healthy competition" from the picture.

 

GTC changes may have exposed you to the algorithms and new design of eBay. But GTC is not the problem here, the algorithms and design are!

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I've never seen this before...

My sales have dropped to 0 also 96% down.
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I've never seen this before...

To try to get around GTC, I decided I was going to end my items before they were scheduled to end, then bulk re-list them the next day, but I got bit in the butt doing that. Since I was doing a straight re-list I didn't bother to check the individual listings so I didn't realize that the categories for the free Gallery Plus have changed. I ended getting hit with the Gallery Plus listing fee on several of them. Smiley Mad

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I've never seen this before...

to zamo-zuan : does ending some listings and relisting periodically help?
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I've never seen this before...

One of my accounts did this from March to April. I couldn't figure out for the life of me what was wrong, that account had never gone an entire month without a sale in at least 5 years.

 

I checked my stats and had an 8% cancellation rate....In Feb. I had a customer that purchased 8-10 items. Getting the order ready I noticed I did not have one of the items. The buyer still had not paid after 3 days,  I tried several times to contact the buyer with no response during the next 2-3 days. I did not want to file an UI on the order because I felt bad I did not have one of the items. I tried to cancel the one item as being out of stock. Obviously the entire order was canceled as each item being out of stock....Never even heard back from the buyer. My mistake but a mistake none the less. I called ebay, they could not do anything about it...I was told "No worry you average will reset after 12 months...." All because of an order that wasn't even paid for....So check your account for any defects that could be affecting your visibility. 

 

Good news is the day after I called CS I sold 3 items on that account, actually had a pretty good May. So try giving them a call, maybe there is some issue with your account.

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@moms**art**window** wrote:
to zamo-zuan : does ending some listings and relisting periodically help?

Somewhat. You have to actually end the old listing and "Sell Similar". If you relist, it keeps the old statistics.

 

But even listing GTC alone is a completely different algorithm than the old listings used to run on. The first couple days performance determine initial search ranking, and because of the reasons mentioned, that's as "random" as ever.

 

I should mention though, there's a penalty for "Stale" (30 days unsold) or "Stagnant" (90 days unsold) listings as well. Those should definitely be relisted unless they have particularly good search placement.

 

But in general, we're all fighting for less spots than before, and having to invest way more/take a much lower margin in order to get those spots. Until they change the design, there's not really any expectation other than a slow flatline. It's not sustainable. Anyone with experience in software design and statistics can see the slow flatlining, and the top seller market share dropping from 40% to 25-28% confirms it. 

 

EBay wants to give those "poor sellers" sales. (I put that in quotes, because some will truly be poor sellers, but some will be good sellers that had return reasons abused against them). Honestly, it's just plain illogical. Buyers need sellers they can trust, and sellers need a way to stand out for good performance. We don't have either of these now.

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I've never seen this before...

Thanks, I've been lucky though. I've never had a case of any kind opened against me. The closest was a refund without return that the buyer & I settled through messaging. So I don't think that is the issue in my case.

 


@prickly-critters wrote:

One of my accounts did this from March to April. I couldn't figure out for the life of me what was wrong, that account had never gone an entire month without a sale in at least 5 years.

 

I checked my stats and had an 8% cancellation rate....In Feb. I had a customer that purchased 8-10 items. Getting the order ready I noticed I did not have one of the items. The buyer still had not paid after 3 days,  I tried several times to contact the buyer with no response during the next 2-3 days. I did not want to file an UI on the order because I felt bad I did not have one of the items. I tried to cancel the one item as being out of stock. Obviously the entire order was canceled as each item being out of stock....Never even heard back from the buyer. My mistake but a mistake none the less. I called ebay, they could not do anything about it...I was told "No worry you average will reset after 12 months...." All because of an order that wasn't even paid for....So check your account for any defects that could be affecting your visibility. 

 

Good news is the day after I called CS I sold 3 items on that account, actually had a pretty good May. So try giving them a call, maybe there is some issue with your account.


 

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