I'd like to waste my time by responding to Alan's post from the weekly chat with staff
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‎07-17-2019 08:30 PM
So, I asked a question in the weekly chat, basically asking for a response to the huge number of valid complaints here in the boards about how sales have fallen off a cliff. Now, I know that's not the case for everyone, and I couldn't be happier for you. But given that many, many long time sellers have been on here discussing how the spring seller update sent our sales running for the hills, there must be at least a little substance to the complaints. For me, the proof is in the pudding (or the sales reports, as it may be). Below is the original question for those interested, as well as Alan's response. I'd like to respond in turn, though I am fully aware that I am wasting my time. Not like there's any orders to process though, so no worries there.
@redline_auto_llc wrote:
I'd like to hear some input from the higher ups about the number of posts on the forums since the spring update that discuss how sales are in the toilet. A few isolated incidents could be considered a fluke or bad sellers, but people who have been successful here for decades are watching things fall apart since the update went into effect. I don't think there is any doubt that a significant number of sellers were violently opposed to the changes made, and despite all the assurances that eBay knows our businesses better than we do, we're seeing the negative effects.
I'm down from $5000 on a good week to struggling to break $1000, and there are numerous sellers here who have it worse than me. It's very apparent that whatever eBay is doing, it's not doing anyone any favors except maybe the Chinese sellers and the executives' pockets.
eBay has been making every effort to increase their profit margins at the expense of sellers. Final value fees go up, promoted listings become mandatory. eBay takes fees on shipping costs that are also through the roof. We get pushed into higher fee categories based on return figures that are compared to a completely bogus metric. Seller protection is non-existent from a practical standpoint. Sellers are leaving in droves, and it's clear why.
So with that said, what plans are in place to improve the situation as it stands? If Wenig can afford to build his dream bar with the money he's wringing from the drying corpse of what eBay used to be, why can't he afford some advertising? Dissent is at the highest level I've ever seen. Something is going to give out, so what is eBay going to do to keep things afloat?
Thanks for your post. Sorry to hear that you're experiencing a decline in sales. If you'd like to speak directly with us over the phone and receive account-specific advice that may help to improve your listings, you should contact eBay Customer Service. Been there, done that. Any time I feel like talking to someone in India about refreshing my store, I make sure to give the 800 number a call. It's on my speeddial after all (no joke). It would be helpful if customer service reps actually gave consistent answers or even attempted to do anything but read off a script. Doing things like offering Free Shipping and not charging restocking fees may increase your sales and may increase buyer trust in your listings and your customer service offerings. Free shipping is a great way to end up out $60 for shipping when a buyer returns an item, especially since the postal rate changes went into effect last month. You're honestly suggesting no restocking fees? That hasn't even been an option for years now, though God knows it should be.
You mentioned that promoted listings are mandatory. I want to clarify that promoted listings are not mandatory.
Sure, sure. Not mandatory if you don't want sales, but since the search engine is hilariously broken, you gotta pull every trick you can if you want even a chance of getting the sale. Pretty sure it was @zamo-zuan who was told point blank that "this is the year of promotions".
There are always plans in the works to improve and evolve the marketplace for both buyers and sellers. For example, this summer, we will announce new seller protections that will be based on your track record and how we will protect you when you provide great service to buyers. If I recall correctly, that was supposed to be in the Spring update, but was conspicuously absent. Dollars to donuts it goes like this: Free returns now mandatory! Look at all the seller protection you get when people don't have to lie to avoid return expenses anymore!
eBay produces a weekly seller-focused podcast 'The eBay for Business Podcast' I encourage you to subscribe and listen to the podcast as it regularly tackles topics like seasonality and market trends. Seasonality my lily white hindquarters. I have a years and years of precise records showing that this isn't seasonality or a market trend. Something took a long walk off a short cliff, and the season has nothing to do with it.
We just announced our Q2 earnings. In our earnings announcement, we shared that in the second quarter, we grew active buyers by 4% across platforms. Feel free to read our results announcement if you're interested in learning more about the state of the business. Active buyers in third world countries don't do much for the average seller on eBay. What's more telling is the decrease in GMV. Looks pretty stagnant around here to me, and even more so when comparing eBay to other prominent marketplaces.
On an unrelated note, I somehow have an invoice that is bigger than my seven day sale figure, despite the fact that the invoice is paid in full weekly. Looks like I'm being charged more than I sell to be here. I also fully expect to see sales go negative after this post, as I'm not convinced that posts here don't have an effect on sales on the main site.
Oh well. /EndRant.
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‎07-18-2019 07:28 PM
Good post.
Its pretty ridiculous. I actually had cs 3 weeks ago tell me I charged a restocking fee as well. Thsi was someone who seemed higher up and they appealed 1 defect and ignored everything else. The defect they appealed was garbage and they came back and chastised me and made me feel like **bleep** while telling me they could remove it but, they wouldnt.
I went on a 3 week vacation, not really but closed ebay for 3 weeks. Ive been back for a week tomorrow and have had another international no pickup due to customs. $55 in shipping gone.
I had one of those before I vacationed and I did get ebay to close it becasue it was the email of a person I blocked months ago. It was 100% malicious as they never picked the package up but said it was damaged. Later they said the bag was ripped. In the process, someone at ebay removed the unwarranted defect that I had appealed with no luck. So someone looked at our account, saw millions in sales and decided to do the right thing. We still have 3 not received that were all tracked as received and they say they dont count in the "algorithm" .
Like many here, Im a long time niche seller whos business grew consistently over 10 years to hitting 55k a month more than once and staying at or above 45k/month. After Last Junes changes, weve never been able to get back up there and our returns have quadrupled. We only get the word salad of the CEO and I can get a few things taken care of but, on average it takes 3 cs reps to know whats going on and/or fix it. I still get the promoted listings and global shipping spiels even though I ship worldwide for a decade.
I believe this time is much different than years prior. Some like to point out that there have always been upset people and that is true but I didnt start posting until last year for the most part and have become a daily reader of this forum (unless I want to stay in a decent mood) and other forums and sites. Weve seen something different happening and I see the end coming for many great, intersting sellers as we are all treated alike, extremely poorly. Weve lost any kind of reward for great service and actually swung so far as to be constantly damaged by ever looming fee increase and defects we never perpetrated. We cant find our own items frequently, have blackouts and site issues constantly. Were cool paying more for more, not for endless frustration and less sales that come with 4 times the returns.
I will be on vacation a lot until something gets sorted out and when we do, we explore other options vs spending here or listing more. Hopefully something gets sorted out but, what we see is doubling down on bad ideas that make sellers and not trust anything we hear. Were also told here on the forums, that we are replaceable by the biggest cheerleaders. Many are not.
When I have to call ebay, it throws my day into a tiz. Its so incredibly frustrating to watch a company downsize their workforce when theyre supposed to be growing, or trying to anyway.
Maybe stabilize the ship vs. more schemes to keep earnings up temporarily. Or at least appear up to some. I dont believe it for a minute.
The advertising has gotten out of hand on here as well. It seems that may be where the bandwidth and attention has gone. I will never be clicking on any of it and its having the opposite effect.
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‎07-18-2019 07:36 PM
For the last six months the only time I get any sales is when the bill is due. Coincidence? I think not.
The Rats won.
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‎07-18-2019 08:26 PM
I feel your frustration and anger, as we're experiencing exactly the same range of feelings. Even though everything is blamed on seasonality, and on buying trends, that's obviously just a scripted answer customer service keeps giving me. There are categories that don't have much to do with seasons, like auto parts, which sell year-round (yes, less around major holidays, but those are not that many and only last a few days), eBay motors has nothing to do with seasonality, people are fixing their cars regardless of the trends.
I honestly have better things to do and am too busy caring for 2 toddlers and doing eBay full time, at the same time, and can't find hours to spend on putting together exact charts and patterns, but even at a glance it is so obvious things don't work as they should. Over the past few weeks sales were horrible, and when they drop they do it all the way; I find it quite impossible that everybody is looking to buy auto parts one week, and then no one in the whole USA looks for car parts the following week.
I love the freedom and flexibility eBay offered us as a family, that much that my husband and I left our jobs and are living off eBay, and we were making more than ever, hard work and stress with scammers & returns but it was worth it. But it became very unpredictable, I cannot count on sales for paying the bills on time, just like I said, one month sales could be booming, the next all I see rising is the eBay invoice.
I noticed that our sales drop or even stop all the way when eBay pushes some new updates, fixes or introduces some new things, changes layouts, buttons, shipping pages, you name it, even small changes... it just screws up our sales. That happens ALWAYS. When our sales drop abruptly, my husband asks me if eBay changed anything, and the answer is usually yes.
Also... not sure if we are in some kind of a rotation placement, like a rotation between all sellers, because I can't find another explanation: we have had days on end of selling only to a handful of sates, grouped close together, like only the people of east coast, or north west, all of a sudden are buying parts.
We also have days when we only sell a certain category of parts, with a couple exceptions in between, like everyone on eBay is looking to buy only headlights, or airbags, or tail lights. Last week, after days of almost no sales, we sold 8 airbags of the same kind in 2 days (they've been listed for weeks or months). Then I went quickly and listed some more, thinking it's the seasonality - they're still there with barely any views.
Before I list, I run some searches, checking for prices, condition etc, and I'm sick and tired to go through pages of irrelevant stuff when looking for something. I do know my way around the search engine, and how to eventually find what I'm looking for, tweaking the search options and keywords, jumping pages, but that comes from being on eBay the whole day, and most of our buyers don't.
Then I suppose I shouldn't even mention how exhausted I am about being scammed, losing precious hours and days doing investigative work, trying to fight false NAD claims, filing police reports or just throwing a fit about losing hundreds of $ when I've done nothing wrong, just to hear some CS suggesting I offered free returns to help my sales and get more protection
eBay does not understand that not all categories are equal and that a small seller can't offer free returns when they spend hours packing something, and when when one way shipping only costs me $30, $40, $60, I'm not selling t-shirts!
Also, can eBay hire someone who actually has any hands on experience on selling and buying on eBay, to implement and come up with any policy and design/functionality changes?
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‎07-18-2019 08:35 PM
@the_fancy_fox same here, my husband swears by the "invoice due date" coincidence.
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‎07-18-2019 08:56 PM
The free returns thing drives me insane. I had a return recently because someone bought an E60 headlight for their E90. They don't even look the same, but whatever. They were located on the west coast, I'm on the east. If I had bought into the "free everything" mentality eBay has been pushing, I'd be out $120 in shipping expenses. But of course, it came destroyed because the buyer put it in a box with no packaging, so I'm out $250 instead.
Of course, the CS rep was all too happy to tell me I could have chosen to refund 50 percent if I was on free returns, which does me a fat lot of good for something I can't resell. But let's do the math there. $250 item expense, $60 each way on shipping. We'll assume I didn't use free shipping.
No free returns: lose $250 on item. No loss on shipping.
Free returns: lose $60 on shipping, $125 on item. $185 total.
Snap! Looks like I should be using free returns to make up for buyers that aren't held accountable for their actions and eat the loss! $185 is better than $250!
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‎07-18-2019 09:11 PM
@bestdealinparts , @the_fancy_fox
i find this part extremely interesting regarding the invoice time sales! not long ago i started a thread asking if anyone else had noticed the same things .... several of the self-branded ebay promoters here told me there was actually NO correlation (sp?) and that i was imagining it (for the past 3-4 years every month, lol, that's one excellent sense of imagination!) ... anyway, the only result i can think of as to why this happens is that ebay is heavily tweaking search results. must be my imagination again, i'm sorry!
YES i have definitely noticed a difference in sales around invoice time!
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‎07-18-2019 09:17 PM
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‎07-19-2019 05:58 AM
, it's not doing anyone any favors except maybe the Chinese sellers and the executives' pockets.
This sentence is where I quit reading. EBAY IS NOT ONE SIZE FITS ALL. Online Selling has drastically changed. When I first started selling on Ebay in 1998 I was also selling on AOL CLASSIFIEDS. There were 200,000 items total on Ebay and the site was constantly going down. Fast forward to today there are millions and millions of items listed. The internet has evolved. Lots of folks now are sellers. There are many more places to sell. I made a living and paid off my home selling on ebay and now just kill time during the week and sell mainly at the swap meet on Sundays. Most people do not have $400 in emergency funds yet as Sellers expect someone to buy their items. I buy everything but food at the swap meet and most of it is NWT and under $2.00. Some sellers need to look in the mirror and tweak their listings. Maybe expectations have gotten too high. I feel for the OP but what would they do to make the site profitable for everyone. How else could you reach global buyers? It is easy to rant but what is the fix?
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‎07-19-2019 06:03 AM
Reading your replies sounds like you have an answer for every suggestion Alan gave you? Now how do you go about implementing them?
Good Luck Selling!
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‎07-19-2019 06:43 AM
Just to add to the documentation of the decline for long term ebay sellers:
I've seen business drop in half over the last two years. This year's drop by far the worst. It isn't GTC, I've used that on most everything for years. It isn't China etc. My inventory on this account and one premium store is 90% books, many older and uncommon. Not the type of thing taking up space in Asian warehouses. My wife has 2 accounts that she sells on at lower levels than I do with a more eclectic mix of items. The percent drop is similar if not more. So that's 4 of 4 that I can lay eyes upon. All our accounts have 100% feedback. I get maybe one return a year. Maybe another 1 or 2 gets lost in the mail. Pretty efficient operations. All the accounts (maybe 1300-1400 items at a time, maybe more) tanking like crazy.
Promoted listings: Did a test run a couple months ago with 10 items that already had watchers from this account. No sales. Furthermore, monitoring page views indicated they weren't being seen much either, about the same rate as before promotion. (I know there have been claims that ebay's page views stats are sometimes unreliable, but if you can't count page visits, you need to get out of the software business. That has to be about the easiest thing to code in computing.)
I've had 15 days in the last 30 on my main account with no sales at all. For reference looking back 2-4 years shows an average of only 3-5 days per 30 with no sales, month after month. That's statistically significant. That's how your sales drop in half. But sure, I'll call India and see what they think...
flubbertwo/doo
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‎07-19-2019 07:09 AM
My sales tanked after the Spring Update last year and went down and down through out the year. Christmas was disastrous. January and February, for some reason were almost normal (almost meaning 25% down, don't know what is normal anymore), then this year's Spring Update. Boom, down the toilet yet again. Tested out so called seller protections. It was obvious they weren't ready for that in the Spring. Can't made any head or tails sense out of the performance numbers. Some times it says I'm up 120% in listings, other times I'm down 40%. I have 220-225 listings on a consistent basis. Then it tells me to watch my seller levels. I'm TSR and not in any danger of losing it.
It they can't get that right, how can anyone expect them to figure out more intricate things. Performance is just basic number calculations. I think it's utterly frightening.
On a side note. Wendy Jones appears to be the only eBay exec to receive a share bonus this month. Interesting. (Of which she sold half immediately)
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‎07-19-2019 09:41 AM
@rograc-37 wrote:My sales tanked after the Spring Update last year and went down and down through out the year. Christmas was disastrous. January and February, for some reason were almost normal (almost meaning 25% down, don't know what is normal anymore), then this year's Spring Update. Boom, down the toilet yet again. Tested out so called seller protections. It was obvious they weren't ready for that in the Spring. Can't made any head or tails sense out of the performance numbers. Some times it says I'm up 120% in listings, other times I'm down 40%. I have 220-225 listings on a consistent basis. Then it tells me to watch my seller levels. I'm TSR and not in any danger of losing it.
It they can't get that right, how can anyone expect them to figure out more intricate things. Performance is just basic number calculations. I think it's utterly frightening.
On a side note. Wendy Jones appears to be the only eBay exec to receive a share bonus this month. Interesting. (Of which she sold half immediately)
I met Wendy and most of the eBay Leadership Team last year when I was invited to eBay Headquarters.
Bonuses should only be given out for good performance. eBay's 2nd Quarter Financials show a continuing decline of GMV.
GMV is down for both US and International markets. Comparing Q2 19 with Q2 18 you see International GMV is down 4.1 % and US GMV is down 4.7%. The numbers show a continuing decline in sales.
Since GMV doesn't include returns, unpaid items or cancellations, it’s not a true indicator of all "completed sales." Since we've been seeing a lot of discussions here about high return rates and buyers cancelling purchases, the true sales numbers are probably on a steeper decline then the numbers above.
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‎07-19-2019 09:57 AM
@pburn wrote:
@redline_auto_llc wrote:Couple reasons, actually.
1) Motors sees an incredibly high rate of returns for non-fitment. Anything I can put in the listing to encourage people to actually pay attention to the fitment details I provide is beneficial. I've run tests in the last several months with identical listings with and without the terminology and saw no effect on sales either way, so no reason to change it.
2) It's an old template and given that I usually end up pulling my hair out when trying to deal with editing individual listings as would be required (edits that don't take and screens that don't load), it wouldn't be a priority even if I thought it needed to be changed.
Maybe that's why your sales have dropped off. Maybe all your potential buyers know, like I do, that restocking fees are no longer allowed.
I would never buy from a seller who had that comment in a listing. I've seen a few in the items I search for, and I can't hit the back button fast enough.
Two reasons:
- I think restocking fees are not, shall we say, "consumer friendly," and,
- I know they're a violation of eBay policy.
Neither of the arguments you put forth (above) override the fact that restocking fees are against policy.
It's been proven by eBay's own data and presentations that descriptions mean little to nothing on eBay. Especially with mobile conversion rates. It's why they encouraged sellers to start using more images, and counting images for better search placement, alongside not even searching description unless you see the tiny little (almost hidden) "include description in search" button.
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‎07-19-2019 10:03 AM - edited ‎07-19-2019 10:04 AM
@doubledz-a2z wrote:
, it's not doing anyone any favors except maybe the Chinese sellers and the executives' pockets.
This sentence is where I quit reading. EBAY IS NOT ONE SIZE FITS ALL. Online Selling has drastically changed. When I first started selling on Ebay in 1998 I was also selling on AOL CLASSIFIEDS. There were 200,000 items total on Ebay and the site was constantly going down. Fast forward to today there are millions and millions of items listed. The internet has evolved. Lots of folks now are sellers. There are many more places to sell. I made a living and paid off my home selling on ebay and now just kill time during the week and sell mainly at the swap meet on Sundays. Most people do not have $400 in emergency funds yet as Sellers expect someone to buy their items. I buy everything but food at the swap meet and most of it is NWT and under $2.00. Some sellers need to look in the mirror and tweak their listings. Maybe expectations have gotten too high. I feel for the OP but what would they do to make the site profitable for everyone. How else could you reach global buyers? It is easy to rant but what is the fix?
If the top seller market share dropped from 40% to 27% in one year, then to 25% the next year... combined with the mid-range of sellers having a slow down as well, and overall sales on the site going down...
This means the site is getting less profitable across the board. Even the "most successful on eBay" are less profitable.
It may not be "one size fits all"... but who does it fit?
Doing some market data research, it seems the only ones benefiting right now are those with poor metrics, due to the complete lack of quality control this year. Which makes sense alongside eBay's 5% FVF penalty actually allowing them to make more money off those sellers than "good sellers". Also makes more sense why they're focusing on "more sellers" rather than "quality sellers", considering a percentage of sellers receive the FVF penalty, so the more total sellers = more sellers with the penalty.
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‎07-19-2019 10:09 AM - edited ‎07-19-2019 10:09 AM
@greg5000 wrote:
@rograc-37 wrote:My sales tanked after the Spring Update last year and went down and down through out the year. Christmas was disastrous. January and February, for some reason were almost normal (almost meaning 25% down, don't know what is normal anymore), then this year's Spring Update. Boom, down the toilet yet again. Tested out so called seller protections. It was obvious they weren't ready for that in the Spring. Can't made any head or tails sense out of the performance numbers. Some times it says I'm up 120% in listings, other times I'm down 40%. I have 220-225 listings on a consistent basis. Then it tells me to watch my seller levels. I'm TSR and not in any danger of losing it.
It they can't get that right, how can anyone expect them to figure out more intricate things. Performance is just basic number calculations. I think it's utterly frightening.
On a side note. Wendy Jones appears to be the only eBay exec to receive a share bonus this month. Interesting. (Of which she sold half immediately)
I met Wendy and most of the eBay Leadership Team last year when I was invited to eBay Headquarters.
Bonuses should only be given out for good performance. eBay's 2nd Quarter Financials show a continuing decline of GMV.
GMV is down for both US and International markets. Comparing Q2 19 with Q2 18 you see International GMV is down 4.1 % and US GMV is down 4.7%. The numbers show a continuing decline in sales.
Since GMV doesn't include returns, unpaid items or cancellations, it’s not a true indicator of all "completed sales." Since we've been seeing a lot of discussions here about high return rates and buyers cancelling purchases, the true sales numbers are probably on a steeper decline then the numbers above.
Our return rate due to Free Returns is over 4%. More than 3% (almost 3.5) of those are remorse returns/not SNAD. According to our seller metrics page, we're in "average" at 1.13%.
Based on these numbers, we could imagine how much lower the true numbers are...
