12-17-2020 08:25 AM
After reading this, please comment below and tell me if you feel I'm wrong in this instance. I thought I was 100 percent in the right but was told otherwise.
You know the frustrating thing for me personally is. We get all these notices from ebay with updates about how they're going to do this and that to protect sellers etc. Sometimes it's meaningful changes and sometimes not but never the less at least they acknowledge the issue albeit usually WAY later than they should've. I've frequently done my best to help people here on these boards and tried to keep people positive about the future of ebay, managed payments, new buyers coming in etc, sometimes going so far as to defend ebay and their decisions if I felt that it from an unbiased point of view, their policy made sense. The last couple of months or more have been extremely trying for many people and frustration has been shown on the board regularly with ebays policies. I've always tried to be optimistic and see it from ebays point as well as the buyer or seller. I'm having a hard time grasping the current situation I've gotten into and the more I think about it the more frustrating it becomes. I am now to the point of asking myself, even though there's money to be made here. Is it worth also aiding someone make money who consistantly makes it tougher and IS NOT PROTECTING ME DURING THE HOLIDAYS! Do you hear that Mr. Sweetnam, Mr. Lannone!
Here's the situation and where my frustration comes from.
Buyer purchases item December 4th. I have 1 day handling time and economy postage on the listing.
Knowing we have major delays in USPS and Fedex. I ship it the same day and use PRIORITY mail! Buyer sends message 3 days after purchase complaining that package has not arrived yet and tracking shows it in a distribution center somewhere. I send a long message and explain the situation and am very apologetic (even though I've already upgraded shipping at my cost in an effort to combat late shipments). 8 days after I ship, the package arrives. Buyer leaves neutral feedback stating "took a long time and his client was upset". I'm a bit frustrated by this point thinking "Wow, 8 days seems pretty timely given the mess we're in". Anyway I proceed on thinking this won't be a big deal. Ebay will review it. See that I shipped earlier than scheduled and used an upgraded service, they'll see the message I sent in reply to his frustration and realize how conciliatory my message was and realize I did everything I could to try and comfort the buyer. So I request feedback removal.
No problem right? I mean after all, we've got your back says ebay. The joke was on me. The rep proceeded to tell me that it was not a removable feedback. On what planet is that not removable? I'm not the one who gave the unsuspecting buyer a completely unrealistic "expected delivery" date. EBAY puts the false hope out there and the sellers get to suffer the consequences.
Now I know this is not a huge deal to most people and they'd go. "Oh well, it's 1 neutral, cry me a river!" To me a neutral or negative is taken to heart and I take it VERY seriously. I don't care if you're a small hobby seller or run a multi million dollar a year sales account on ebay. When an issue such as this comes up am I wrong to think ebay should've protected my account and removed that neutral?
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12-17-2020 09:29 AM
@dandfmarinesalvage wrote:That is precisely why I'm frustrated with this issue. It clearly states that it will date back to November 15th. This sale occurred on December 4th, delivered December 12th, feedback received on the 16th. Have I misinterpreted or misread something? Or is eBay not following their own policy in this case?
CS rep do not know:
keep trying and make sure you quote the lines for the so called protection: just maybe you will find some one who knows what is going on.
12-17-2020 08:28 AM
Welcome to the party, I had the same thing happen to me with a negative.
12-17-2020 08:34 AM
I agree with you on all counts. You went above and beyond and still get slapped. I have a number of shipments hanging out there, who knows where, and I am expecting to experience this myself.
12-17-2020 08:35 AM
Was it thru the automated response or did you communicate directly with a CSR about it? I'm just not sure, if I'm really wrong on this (I sure don't feel like I am) or if there are some folks doing a really terrible job of understanding reality in ebay?
12-17-2020 08:40 AM
I knew it was coming. I kept seeing tracking numbers getting delivered later and later. Then it got to the point that 15-20 of them the first week of December had sat in different distribution centers for days. Now I'm getting worried that even upgrading service and shipping same day is still going to be to no avail. Most buyers are understanding but a few are NOT and apparently neither is eBay. So now I feel like I'm trying to walk a tight rope while USPS, Fedex and eBay are throwing rocks at me. Not cool to put sellers in this position right after saying we've got your back. Should've just put it on vacation mode at the beginning of the month but who knows how long this mess is going to continue on for. Thankfully I've got a brick and mortar store that can pull me thru and I could simply shut down the eBay store. I really do feel for those that use eBay as the primary in a time like this.
12-17-2020 08:46 AM
I understand your fustration. You went above and beyond to make a buyer satisfied. There was not much more you could do. Ebay does not have our backs. If any buyer has not heard the news that we are in the middle of a pandemic and the postal service has been hit hard then they must be off the grid. That Neutral feedback should be removed but ebay could care less. They are too busy counting their money. I am not sure what Sweetman or Lannone actually do except get big paychecks .
12-17-2020 08:48 AM
Did you use the ebay system to ship?
If so, I'm surprised it wasn't removed. It might have been the personal comment about you being upset that did it. Which is a matter of opinion.
Also, we hear you about protecting your feedback. We feel the same but recognize this as OUR problem and no one else's. There are a lot of bad people out there including really ugly buyers. If we aren't getting bad feedback once in awhile we're either really lucky or we're being way too nice.
12-17-2020 09:01 AM
Sounds like someone trying to get a freebie or partial refund.
Their client was upset! Give me a break! Some many scenarios on that comment! Was the buyer try to buy and flip before they had item in hand? Why would a client care? Did buyer tell them I have a gift coming for you? lol!
Was this buyer a drop shipper or freight forwarder?
Just let it ride out! I learned long ago you can't make everybody happy no matter what you do!
I received 2 neutrals myself in the past two weeks. One for slow shipping and one for stating I sold a fake, but the thing is they kept it and did not file a case. The item was not a fake! I reported the buyer, but I don't know in doing so if eBay will remove the feedback.
Cant' wait until 2020 is over!
12-17-2020 09:04 AM
Yes I've only used eBays shipping labels for the last 11 or 12 years so they knew when in was shipped, etc. I am a bit dumbfounded honestly. I thought the buyer was being a little extreme sending messages so early into the transaction but I was consoling etc and they seemed to understand. Then the neutral hits and I was a bit disturbed that a buyer either A. Didn't believe my explanation of sporadic shipping delays or B. Just didn't care and wanted to vent (I can understand that, but please don't tarnish my business when I had no control over the situation and only took steps that I thought would help avoid the situation, at my own expense). I'll take my beatings when they're due but sheesh it's a real punch in the gut when I spend extra time and extra money to have satisfied customers, even knowing that eventually you'll run into one or two that can't be pleased regardless of the situation but when eBay says it's not a removable feedback even after all that. It takes me to a whole different level of frustrated.
I have a friend who oversees a LARGE ecommerce business and they sell several million a year on ebay. I did a 6 month stent consulting for them specifically on ebay sales and pulling them out of the GIGANTIC hole some previous employees had dug the business into when they didn't have proper oversight. I brought them up to top rated status in the 6 months, got their selling limits increased about 10 fold prior to my departing. Now they're falling right back into the same hole except when I talk to them, they simply don't care. They are of the mindset that they don't really care about feedback etc. They just do what they can and plow ahead all the while, making money. I don't share the same view in any way and really take any issue very seriously but things like this almost make me wonder if perhaps I'm taking it too seriously and should relax a bit more but for 14 years I've done whatever it took to protect my feedback and my account and very seldom ever had an issue. I did have a few issues very early on (15 years or so ago) and I'll take responsibility for those but I don't feel that this one is one me in any way, shape or form other than I'm the one who gets to were the badge with a neutral on it.
12-17-2020 09:10 AM
I can't speculate about what the buyers intentions were or what their exact situation was. I completely agree that some buyers try different angles for freebies etc. In this instance I will take them at their word as I have no evidence to prove otherwise BUT I also took eBay at their word of vowing to "protect" and I can see how well that worked out for me! This one falls squarely on eBay from my perspective. Maybe the buyer was a bit unreasonable but eBay gave them an unrealistic expected delivery date and the buyer took that as carved in stone and apparently passed that same info on to their "client". Therefore I feel that since I not only met the requirements (even exceeded them) in both fields on my end. This I feel is an issue with eBay and not so much the buyer.
12-17-2020 09:17 AM
Please excuse the improper spelling, grammar and punctuation in a few of my replies. Proof reading is your friend and I should've done that a couple of times!
12-17-2020 09:17 AM
They just posted yesterday about removing feedback:
We will also remove negative or neutral feedback related to a late delivery automatically if an item arrives late but tracking shows that you shipped on time.
12-17-2020 09:21 AM
That is precisely why I'm frustrated with this issue. It clearly states that it will date back to November 15th. This sale occurred on December 4th, delivered December 12th, feedback received on the 16th. Have I misinterpreted or misread something? Or is eBay not following their own policy in this case?
12-17-2020 09:27 AM
They just posted yesterday..........the removals may take time to go into effect......
12-17-2020 09:29 AM
@dandfmarinesalvage wrote:That is precisely why I'm frustrated with this issue. It clearly states that it will date back to November 15th. This sale occurred on December 4th, delivered December 12th, feedback received on the 16th. Have I misinterpreted or misread something? Or is eBay not following their own policy in this case?
CS rep do not know:
keep trying and make sure you quote the lines for the so called protection: just maybe you will find some one who knows what is going on.