How does this seller get all of their Negatives removed almost instantly? Something is going on

[billofpoker]

This person gets several negatives each day but they are almost instantly removed and the feedback revision number has not change. I bought from them and got burned which made me notice. Here are two screenshots taken a couple days apart to show my point. They had 23 negatives scrubbed clean all from different buyers. This has been going on for months

[gracieallen01]

Well, on the bright side - for them - their % is back up .1.  That's supposedf to mean they are 'doing good', right?

[bubbleman2010]

They are only wiping out the $100 and above folks..6 have been removed and the dollar total was over $1700.00...

[iaintdoingit]

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@bubbleman2010 wrote:

They are only wiping out the $100 and above folks..6 have been removed and the dollar total was over $1700.00...

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Wow, just Wow.  Will have to pay attention more closely now!  I swear this is better than TV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[gracieallen01]

I seems that if one pays enough, one might receive 'consideration'.

[castlemagicmemories]

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@a_c_green wrote:

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@iaintdoingit wrote: 
It's now 17 - 19!

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I'm wondering whether it's dawned on them yet that they can keep up a steady churn of dubious listings regardless of the bad feedback, so they don't even need to worry about getting it scrubbed.

There's plenty of bad feedback now accumulating for anyone who bothers to research their seller before buying (even some of those Positive comments are a hoot ), and yet clueless buyers are still lining up to buy. At some point, you just have to concede that you can't protect people from themselves. 

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Regarding you can't protect people from themselves.  So many threads on the Buying Board start out with, so I bought this widget, AND THEN I noticed that A) it had stock pictures (yes, really)  B) it didn't look authentic to me (but did when they hit the button two seconds ago) C) the seller had bad feedback (which was there two seconds ago as well D) I bought and cancelled two minutes later and the seller hasn't got back to me yet, OR the seller already sent it (take a bit longer to buy and know that a cancel is a request, not an order)  Clearly, buyer's due diligence is not being done before the purchase, when it would help, if at all.

[castlemagicmemories]

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@iaintdoingit wrote:

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@trainsfortheages16 wrote:
im beginning to wonder are we on Ebay or Facebook?.....lol

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I don't know much about Facebook so all I can say about this post is that this is eBay!

Just wondering how many sellers actually get away with doing this stunt.  Sellers work hard and the good honest ones do not deserve to be slaped by the bad ones.  Buyer trust is lost when things like this happen.

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Absolutely.  Many threads on the Buying Board about this.  When buyers leave an honest neg, and it is removed when it doesn't violate feedback rules, it destroys trust as buyers can't evaluate what isn't there and thus may end up in a problematic transaction through no fault of their own.  The advice offered on this Board is generally to call incessantly until a rep removes it, although this OP is not about that.

[sly_kitten2018]

"The advice offered on this Board is generally to call incessantly until a rep removes it, "

ok but that right there implies that the posters on this board are responsible for this and that is not true. that advice is only given when the negative feedback is unfair and undeserved and should be removed.

[castlemagicmemories]

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@sly_kitten2018 wrote:

"The advice offered on this Board is generally to call incessantly until a rep removes it, "

ok but that right there implies that the posters on this board are responsible for this and that is not true. that advice is only given when the negative feedback is unfair and undeserved and should be removed.

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No, that was never implied in my post.  You took it out of context and drew that conclusion.

The post says:  Absolutely.  Many threads on the Buying Board about this.  When buyers leave an honest neg, and it is removed when it doesn't violate feedback rules, it destroys trust as buyers can't evaluate what isn't there and thus may end up in a problematic transaction through no fault of their own.  The advice offered on this Board is generally to call incessantly until a rep removes it, although this OP is not about that.

The post addressed the fact that the previous poster, iaintdoinit,  stated that buyer trust is destroyed when negs are removed.  I agree and stated that threads on the buying board attest to this erosion of trust, and that the advice is generally to call incessantly until a rep removes that, and that advice is not just given when appropriate as when it is unfair and undeserved.  There may be some who feel any neg is unfair and undeserved and they just want it gone, although you are right in that it should only be offered when the feedback is truly unfair and undeserved.  There have been many threads where this advice to call until you get it is removed is offered, with many posts in the same thread that state there are no grounds for the feedback to be removed, which proves this point.  

Whether the seller calls incessantly to get it removed, or they have their feedback scrubbed as in the situation here, the point is, removing feedback destroyed buyer's trust and that is what I addressed.  Thank you.

I see that you are new to the Boards.  Welcome.

[castlemagicmemories]

Feel free to read back threads on this.  You can search for topics in the search bar at the top of the page.  @sly_kitten2018

[bubbleman2010]

Was 16 - 16 now 17 - 19 less 4 in last 24 hours or 17 - 23 couple more big hitters just rolled in...

[moo*cow*corner]

See, the thing is, that when a buyer appears and tells their story, we have no way of knowing if it's true or not. Same with sellers who come here for help.

The verbiage "legitimate SNAD" is wrong and disingenuous.

No one, not even ebay themselves, have any way to know for a fact exactly what happened on either side of a dispute.

Ebay has chosen that their resolution policy is to undo the deal at the seller's expense. A deductible expense for a seller as a cost of doing business. It's a policy, that's all, and it doesn't in any way confer legitimacy on anything.

[castlemagicmemories]

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@moo*cow*corner wrote:
See, the thing is, that when a buyer appears and tells their story, we have no way of knowing if it's true or not. Same with sellers who come here for help.

The verbiage "legitimate SNAD" is wrong and disingenuous.

No one, not even ebay themselves, have any way to know for a fact exactly what happened on either side of a dispute.

Ebay has chosen that their resolution policy is to undo the deal at the seller's expense. A deductible expense for a seller as a cost of doing business. It's a policy, that's all, and it doesn't in any way confer legitimacy on anything.

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Yes, I absolutely know and understand that Ebay tries to undo the transaction.  While we may not know what is true,   I think that you, as a buyer,  would absolutely know if something you bought was a legitimate SNAD, even though the seller involved may state that it isn't, it may be they just don't want the return.  Thus the term "legitimate SNAD" is in no way wrong and disingenuous since there truly is such a thing AS a legitimate SNAD.  It's just that one party is wrong and doesn't want to admit it, but that does not mean there is no such thing as a legitimate SNAD.

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This is also seen when you return a legitimate SNAD and the seller claims it is not their item, when it was.  Many a seller has claimed it was not SNAD when it was, and many a buyer has done the same thing, claimed a SNAD when it wasn't.  Hence the policy.  

[castlemagicmemories]

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@sly_kitten2018 wrote:

"The advice offered on this Board is generally to call incessantly until a rep removes it, "

ok but that right there implies that the posters on this board are responsible for this and that is not true. that advice is only given when the negative feedback is unfair and undeserved and should be removed.

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Just want to add this to my previous response to you.  From my post that you are referring to.  It seems you missed this at the end. @sly_kitten2018

The advice offered on this Board is generally to call incessantly until a rep removes it, although this OP is not about that.

[moo*cow*corner]

I can believe all day long that my SNAD is 'legitimate'. So what?

What I can't expect, is for everyone to take me at my word for it. That's just not logical or reasonable. A real life reality.

The bottom line, is that people lie. Any one older than five understands that. Sometimes, both sides are either exaggerated or down right false.

I'll say it again---My point is, that no one, not even ebay has any way to know exactly what happened on either side of a dispute.

Yes, the things you describe happen. The things sellers come here and describe happen too. I'm not doubting that, at all.

Hence the policy...um...what? All these things still happen in spite of the Policy.

Because ebay has decided to favor buyers, doesn't mean that ebay is saying that they are right. Or that sellers are wrong. The sellers are made responsible, but that doesn't mean they are wrong.

I'll go back to just following this thread. Carry on good people!

[sly_kitten2018]

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@castlemagicmemories wrote:

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@sly_kitten2018 wrote:

"The advice offered on this Board is generally to call incessantly until a rep removes it, "

ok but that right there implies that the posters on this board are responsible for this and that is not true. that advice is only given when the negative feedback is unfair and undeserved and should be removed.

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Just want to add this to my previous response to you.  From my post that you are referring to.  It seems you missed this at the end. @sly_kitten2018

The advice offered on this Board is generally to call incessantly until a rep removes it, although this OP is not about that.

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I didn't miss anything, please lets not be rude here, this is a civil discussion. Your verbiage has strong implications that needed to be pointed out.