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Getting harder to find inventory.

Like many of us, I go to yard sales, estate sales, estate auctions, flea markets, and occasionally second hand stores to source my inventory.

 

I am in my mid twenties and have been "flipping" since I was 13, taking after my father, who is "old school" and doesn't really do eBay, he sets up at flea markets.

 

When I first started going to auctions with my father, when I was about 8 or 9, he used to come home with an entire truckfull of stuff, not just junk, good quality stuff he could often double if not triple what he paid for it.

 

Fast forward a few years later and these TV shows like American Pickers, Pawnstars, Storage wars, etc put a huge wrench into the works.

 

You had people going out trying to earn a living and had little idea what they were doing. They followed TV, but let's be honest..TV is far from reality.

 

A lot of people who had been going to auctions beforehand could be narrowed into two groups: antique dealers and part-time eBay sellers. Part-time sellers had regular jobs, so they didn't buy as much stuff, they didn't have as much time to list things. Antique dealers bought well...antiques...so this left a huge list of things to make money on. Computers, electronics, trading cards, etc.

 

When the economy crashed in 2008, it become worse, because you had people literally trying to earn a living selling on eBay. Now granted, their were "full timers" beforehand, but not nearly as many.

Getting back to a "wrench in the works"...these people were desperate to earn a buck, and soon it became harder to make any money. To them, it was either buy a $100 item for 85 bucks and make $15, or go home broke, so profit margins soon started to evaporate.

 

That is when I received a huge upper-hand...a smartphone.  I was one of the first people to have one that went to auctions and other events. It was 2010 and I became old enough to start selling on my own. The "low-hanging fruit" things like old toys, antiques, etc always went for more than it was worth messing with. I started looking at the odd and unusual. Stuff I had never seen before. Often, it was as easy as typing model numbers in. I remember buying some kind of computer for a John Deere combine. I got it for $5, I sold it in 3 days for $950. Then a week later, got a $500 widget for $20.

 

For the next 3 years, I quit working. I could turn more in a week than I could working a crummy dead-end minimum-wage job. I was hooked.

But that ended pretty soon. About 2 years ago. While the smartphone giveth, the smartphone although taketh away. I used to do quite well at estate sales with unusual stuff. If they couldn't find in in 5 minutes on eBay, they used to give up. But now they could just whip out their smartphone and can find it.

 

Estate sales became an utter joke. They idiotically never realized selling something in front of 100 people is a lot harder than when you have 100 million buyers. People aren't going to stand in line an hour, and give eBay prices or more. Of course...the next day when everything was half off, all the "good stuff" magically  sold. Imagine that. The truth was.. the estate sale companies had their own eBay.

 

Auctions have become worse too. I live in the Midwest and you have retired farmers, ranch hands, etc with money coming out of their ears. Supposedly  63% of Americans can't come up with $500 in cash if their life depended on it, buy boy..you sure as heck would think otherwise at an auction.

As a matter of fact...of the past 12 auctions I've been too...I could buy stuff on eBay and sell it at an auction and make money, if they didn't charge 35-40% in fees.

 

The weird thing is....if you ask one of these people who didn't win the bid on something at a local auction if they would like to buy one you have, they won't. You would not believe how many times I've seen two old people run each other up to $100 on something, and I ask the non-winning bidder "Hey, I have one for $50, wanna buy it?" I have had this happen countless times, never had someone take me up on it.

 

Anyway..times are a changin'. Good quality estate auctions and estate sales that aren't insanely price are getting harder to find. People my age don't really collect stuff, and while I'm sure it's a generational thing, people my age range don't really have the money to collect things, and beyond that, so many people have collected stuff in the 70's and 80's, it will be a long time before that stuff becomes super-valueable. Try getting money out of a 1987 box of baseball cards. 30 years old and worth didly squat.

 

So in the next 20 years....a lot of people who collect will be dead. Just look at the market on a lot of stuff between the past 20 years. Stuff that was worth $500 in the 90's MIGHT sell for $50 today. Porcelain, glass and china took a huge hit along with other categories.

 

It will be interesting to see what the future of flipping holds.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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@quadcitypickers wrote:

When the economy crashed in 2008, it become worse, because you had people literally trying to earn a living selling on eBay. Now granted, their were "full timers" beforehand, but not nearly as many.


That is the key element of your thoughts. Glassware, clothes, cheap jewelry, sports cards etc. are easily obtainable so many folks grabbed as much as they could. The market is now flooded with the stuff. You can find the same things at flea markets, garages sales and thrift stores for a dime a dozen. People continue to buy the stuff thinking they can flip it here and earn a living using Ebay. There are a few sellers in each category who have a following and can survive. The rest come here complaining and blame ebay for their problems. It comes down to there are the same amount of actual buyers but 5x more sellers.

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lol my area is just fine for picking, also while people are wasting time on ther beloved "smartphones" I am picking great items left and right under their noses while they are stuck looking up every item, idiots hahahaha.

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I agree with the OP to some extent. The market is always changing. What brought good money a year ago is not even bid on this year. 

My whole theory is if you like the item and you would buy it for yourself than someone else will too.

I've gotten burned a few times but it all evens out and I do make a little for gas and groceries. Of course I'm retired and I have another income.  If I wanted to make this full time I would go get a business loan, find a few suppliers and then Il'd  go floatin' on a boat up the river or reopen my webstore.  

 

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I wish everyone on here complaining would read this thread as you pretty much have summed it up in one post.

 

Many are living in the past - 20 yrs ago - boy I wish I could go back - but the world is ever changing and if you want to succeed you have to change with it. Especially in oversaturated categories - many list here and do their due diligence by checking completeds so it is priced reasonably - but never bother to actually look at how many are currently listed. If your selling something that already has 1,000 active listings and in the 3 months - only 10 have sold - you're going to have to probably wait a while to sell yours and that's what they don't understand.

 

I agree about the prices being higher at thrifts, estate sale and garage sales. I get fed up going to garage sales and seeing signs - sells for xxx on Ebay - they pick the highest price on Ebay and never check how much the item actually sold for by other sellers. But every now and then we get lucky and people price just to get rid of their things.

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I don't think its hard to find inventory the main problem is ebays failure to maintain and attract new buyers. Next 20 people you meet ask them When was the last time you purchased something on ebay? If you find one person out of 20 you're doing good....

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I agree. There is a lot of market scattering going on. There are many smartphone apps where people can buy and sell stuff for free.

 

eBay is losing market share and needs to get back into the game.

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ebay doesn't have people at the top level smart enough to understand what needs to be done never have and never will so you either ride the roller coaster  on the up and down the sales track or take up bowling.

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I have too many buyers of all ages and too much material on offer to me I can't afford to buy it in all at once or I would. Postal history seems to appeal to all kinds of buyers world wide. People buy my lots for the old stamp on the envelope or for a postmark of a place they were from, or they collect town postmarks, or they are a descendant of the name on the envelope / letter I listed. And many buying from me to resell themselves. I could easily source thousands of dollars worth of postal history which is stuff sent in the mail in the old days like from 1900 or earlier. Some of my stuff sells when I list it. I just can't keep up with listing. I see buyers all over Asia to so the market is strong in my selling area. Its good because each old envelope or letter I sell on eBay is unique in its own right. Each one finds its own buyer on eBay.

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Maintaining and attracting new buyers is a problem every store and online selling site face. That's why we see stores closing all over. Buying habits have changed - baby boomers are clearing out - millenials want technology - so alot of what is on Ebay is going to go unsold as baby boomers are no longer collecting and millenials can find deals on tech around every corner.

 

Sales are slow - no doubt - but I was just thinking that many people are like me - we're retiring in a few years - getting rid of all the nonessentials before we move. As fara as the holidays - everyone is getting gift cards so they can buy what they want and I don't have to face the crowds at the stores. I know 5 other people who used to purchase loads of gifts each year - switching to gift cards and I think that's why my sales were so wonderful after the holiday season last year.

 

Many just don't like to face the fact that things have changed and aren't like they were 20 yrs ago - when baby boomers had money, they and their kids had collections and the internet was fairly new. People today are looking for the best price - they don't care where they get it from - the loyalty people had in the past - only buying Kenmore appliances or Craftman tools is long gone as we've seen with the downfall of Sears - meanwhile everyone is trying to get top dollar for the items they want to get rid of.

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I disagree with some thing that you have said. Not for the sense of just disagreeing but I see things a little different. I have been doing this a long time, before eBay. When eBay first came out you are right, that was the boom. The auctioneers yearn for those days, one auctioneer in my area was doing 350 auctions a year. Those days are now past. Every auctioneer will now complain that stuff isn't bringing the good prices.

 

I think we have now come full circle. People are cautious to spend money. Even at the auctions you may have that one person who is flush at that time but usually there is plenty of room. The first thing I do is run them out of money. It may not happen at that auction but they will see it when they get home. They come back a little more cautious, Most people at the auctions now have that little niche that they know. If you get outside of that you can clean up.

 

I don't know what people see on the smart phone but it is no threat to me. I always see them looking at the things I already know the exact amount I would pay for it. Then often they don't bid high enough. They very seldom look up the things that are not collectible or newer. I do know one guy who uses it right, he looks up medium sized shop equipment. It usually sells for 25% of what he sells it for but he has a niche and doesn't mind shipping large items.

 

The trick to doing it today is only going to the right sales. The Estate sales are doing better for me now then the auctions. This wasn't the case a few years ago and not every Estate sale is good. Maybe 1 out of 5. I carefully look over the ads to see if it is a true estate sale or auction. Does the sale look salted, picked or trashed. I look at the picture's closely. Are the shelves half empty? Is it all collectibles (salted with someones unsellables)? Wheres is the tableware or clothes (things that every household would have)? What junk is in the background (boxes unpacked)? I only go to these sales. Nothing makes me sicker then to walk in and spend money at a trap auction. On the estate sales I go right to the garage. 

 

I have hit many auctions, even recently, where there are only 20 - 30 buyers and 5 at the end. Maybe 1 in 50. When there are 20 auctions on a Saturday within 50 miles all the dealers can't be at them all. 

 

The statement about people buying higher then it is on eBay is 100% right. You have to wait them out, get away from the niche items or do what I do, go home and wait for the next auction. Also the statement about trying to sell your item for 50% of what an item just sold for to the second bidder is spot on. Can't figure that one out.

 

Normally I wouldn't say much on this subject but my days are winding down. When you go to an auction use a strategy. Make them over pay. Watch their bidding habits and drop out before they do. Nothing like spending $1000 of someone elses money. If there is a hog, up the price every time they bid. Buy some junk lots and throw it away so no one really knows what you are after.

 

It is still out there. 

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I both agree and disagree....

I find plenty that is worth hundreds in profit and sometimes thousands in profit. It's still out there. But I have retrained my eye, much like you did after finding that Deere. 

It's more work than it used to be yes, but anybody can figure out the value of a clearly marked item.

 

I see packs, literally packs of young 20 somethings in a thrift I frequent, they all come in together, instantly get on their smart phone and look everything up that they think might have potential.

What they do though is walk right past the things they would never consider....they don't know where to begin to look up that unmarked thing.....and I walk right behind them and scoup them up. 

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I agree with much of what you say. A few points:

 

The truth was.. the estate sale companies had their own eBay.

Absolutely. It would be unprofessional and disservice to the property owner to not  sell items where they brough the best prices. 

 

Stuff that was worth $500 in the 90's MIGHT sell for $50 today

In many cases that is because eBay taught people that many things they thought were "rare" really weren't. They just weren't convenient to locate. 

 

Try getting money out of a 1987 box of baseball cards. 30 years old and worth didly squat.

That is not because of the market or other pickers. It is because in the 1980s, trading card companies got greedy and these things are common as dirt.

 

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When you sell on eBay, you serve 3 masters -  buyer, ebay and yourself.

 

When you sell at an estate sale, you serve 3 masters - buyer, client and estate sale company.

 

Do not assume the prices at estate sales / moving sales are all at the discretion of the estate sale company.  Some clients are fixed with the idea  "when I bought it 30 years ago it cost x.xx, now it's vintage and worth more".  But it's not.  Even when you can prove to them it currently doesn't sell at that price.   We had one client come in on their walk though and wanted all the prices changed upward on their team collectibles.  We did half.  Guess which half sold and which did not.  Yup, the stuff I priced and didn't increase sold.  Theirs did not. 

 

I work for an estate sale company.  We are well aware that 75% of our customer base is resellers - part time or full time / on-line or booths.   Some of the wiser ones are regulars, know the staff, are pleasant, don't try to nickel/dime us and when we can, they will get a better deal than others.  But they don't ask for that special deal all the time.  Nor are the first words out of their mouths when they come in "hello.  will things be half price on Saturday?" 

 

The other thing to consider....if I start an item at $100, by Saturday when everyone demands 50% off, that item sells for $50 - the price it should sell at for profitable resale.   If I start it at the 'correct' price of $50, by Saturday it would be $25.  And the client doesn't make as much money.  So things get priced higher to make money for the client and make buyers happy on Saturday.  I remember attedning one estate sale where certain items were marked "will NOT go to 50% on Saturday".

 

I've seen people switch tags, pull off tags hoping for a better price, try to get something cheaper because it's not perfect, TELL me what they will pay for an item no matter what the price tag says, lie to my face telling me the sign said one price when it said something different.  And I won't even mention the items that disappear.   Then there are the downright rude people who throw things on the table or in your face when you won't give them the price they demand. 

 

We rarely 'salt' a sale, bringing in inventory from somewhere else.  When we do, it's because there isn't enough variety at the sale to attract a wide base (and the boss took the sale because the client is an older lady who is church friends with his mother). 

 

As for the really good stuff disappearing after the first day?   Well, we have a lot of resellers who come day 1 to scout, day 2 to buy some items, and day 3 to really buy.  They will be first/second/third in line at the door on days 2 and 3.

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@jennieaa wrote:

When you sell on eBay, you serve 3 masters -  buyer, ebay and yourself.

 

When you sell at an estate sale, you serve 3 masters - buyer, client and estate sale company.

 

Do not assume the prices at estate sales / moving sales are all at the discretion of the estate sale company.  Some clients are fixed with the idea  "when I bought it 30 years ago it cost x.xx, now it's vintage and worth more".  But it's not.  Even when you can prove to them it currently doesn't sell at that price.   We had one client come in on their walk though and wanted all the prices changed upward on their team collectibles.  We did half.  Guess which half sold and which did not.  Yup, the stuff I priced and didn't increase sold.  Theirs did not. 

 

I work for an estate sale company.  We are well aware that 75% of our customer base is resellers - part time or full time / on-line or booths.   Some of the wiser ones are regulars, know the staff, are pleasant, don't try to nickel/dime us and when we can, they will get a better deal than others.  But they don't ask for that special deal all the time.  Nor are the first words out of their mouths when they come in "hello.  will things be half price on Saturday?" 

 

The other thing to consider....if I start an item at $100, by Saturday when everyone demands 50% off, that item sells for $50 - the price it should sell at for profitable resale.   If I start it at the 'correct' price of $50, by Saturday it would be $25.  And the client doesn't make as much money.  So things get priced higher to make money for the client and make buyers happy on Saturday.  I remember attedning one estate sale where certain items were marked "will NOT go to 50% on Saturday".

 

I've seen people switch tags, pull off tags hoping for a better price, try to get something cheaper because it's not perfect, TELL me what they will pay for an item no matter what the price tag says, lie to my face telling me the sign said one price when it said something different.  And I won't even mention the items that disappear.   Then there are the downright rude people who throw things on the table or in your face when you won't give them the price they demand. 

 

We rarely 'salt' a sale, bringing in inventory from somewhere else.  When we do, it's because there isn't enough variety at the sale to attract a wide base (and the boss took the sale because the client is an older lady who is church friends with his mother). 

 

As for the really good stuff disappearing after the first day?   Well, we have a lot of resellers who come day 1 to scout, day 2 to buy some items, and day 3 to really buy.  They will be first/second/third in line at the door on days 2 and 3.


I agree with everything you say and understand that estate sales are different then auctions. I try to follow all the rules that you speak of. I will say this, on most of the sales estate sales I go to when I get there a big smile breaks out on the workers faces and they say hi by name. We chat and talk about family but they know I will get down to business and spend some money.

 

The ones (actually one) I dislike is the ones (one) that doesn't price things and then makes up a price according to who brings the item up. I have actually sent someone back to the sale to buy something and the price was 1/2 what was quoted to me.

 

Overall a great bunch in a tough market. I get it.

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