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Getting harder to find inventory.

Like many of us, I go to yard sales, estate sales, estate auctions, flea markets, and occasionally second hand stores to source my inventory.

 

I am in my mid twenties and have been "flipping" since I was 13, taking after my father, who is "old school" and doesn't really do eBay, he sets up at flea markets.

 

When I first started going to auctions with my father, when I was about 8 or 9, he used to come home with an entire truckfull of stuff, not just junk, good quality stuff he could often double if not triple what he paid for it.

 

Fast forward a few years later and these TV shows like American Pickers, Pawnstars, Storage wars, etc put a huge wrench into the works.

 

You had people going out trying to earn a living and had little idea what they were doing. They followed TV, but let's be honest..TV is far from reality.

 

A lot of people who had been going to auctions beforehand could be narrowed into two groups: antique dealers and part-time eBay sellers. Part-time sellers had regular jobs, so they didn't buy as much stuff, they didn't have as much time to list things. Antique dealers bought well...antiques...so this left a huge list of things to make money on. Computers, electronics, trading cards, etc.

 

When the economy crashed in 2008, it become worse, because you had people literally trying to earn a living selling on eBay. Now granted, their were "full timers" beforehand, but not nearly as many.

Getting back to a "wrench in the works"...these people were desperate to earn a buck, and soon it became harder to make any money. To them, it was either buy a $100 item for 85 bucks and make $15, or go home broke, so profit margins soon started to evaporate.

 

That is when I received a huge upper-hand...a smartphone.  I was one of the first people to have one that went to auctions and other events. It was 2010 and I became old enough to start selling on my own. The "low-hanging fruit" things like old toys, antiques, etc always went for more than it was worth messing with. I started looking at the odd and unusual. Stuff I had never seen before. Often, it was as easy as typing model numbers in. I remember buying some kind of computer for a John Deere combine. I got it for $5, I sold it in 3 days for $950. Then a week later, got a $500 widget for $20.

 

For the next 3 years, I quit working. I could turn more in a week than I could working a crummy dead-end minimum-wage job. I was hooked.

But that ended pretty soon. About 2 years ago. While the smartphone giveth, the smartphone although taketh away. I used to do quite well at estate sales with unusual stuff. If they couldn't find in in 5 minutes on eBay, they used to give up. But now they could just whip out their smartphone and can find it.

 

Estate sales became an utter joke. They idiotically never realized selling something in front of 100 people is a lot harder than when you have 100 million buyers. People aren't going to stand in line an hour, and give eBay prices or more. Of course...the next day when everything was half off, all the "good stuff" magically  sold. Imagine that. The truth was.. the estate sale companies had their own eBay.

 

Auctions have become worse too. I live in the Midwest and you have retired farmers, ranch hands, etc with money coming out of their ears. Supposedly  63% of Americans can't come up with $500 in cash if their life depended on it, buy boy..you sure as heck would think otherwise at an auction.

As a matter of fact...of the past 12 auctions I've been too...I could buy stuff on eBay and sell it at an auction and make money, if they didn't charge 35-40% in fees.

 

The weird thing is....if you ask one of these people who didn't win the bid on something at a local auction if they would like to buy one you have, they won't. You would not believe how many times I've seen two old people run each other up to $100 on something, and I ask the non-winning bidder "Hey, I have one for $50, wanna buy it?" I have had this happen countless times, never had someone take me up on it.

 

Anyway..times are a changin'. Good quality estate auctions and estate sales that aren't insanely price are getting harder to find. People my age don't really collect stuff, and while I'm sure it's a generational thing, people my age range don't really have the money to collect things, and beyond that, so many people have collected stuff in the 70's and 80's, it will be a long time before that stuff becomes super-valueable. Try getting money out of a 1987 box of baseball cards. 30 years old and worth didly squat.

 

So in the next 20 years....a lot of people who collect will be dead. Just look at the market on a lot of stuff between the past 20 years. Stuff that was worth $500 in the 90's MIGHT sell for $50 today. Porcelain, glass and china took a huge hit along with other categories.

 

It will be interesting to see what the future of flipping holds.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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@ersatz_sobriquet wrote:

I both agree and disagree....

I find plenty that is worth hundreds in profit and sometimes thousands in profit. It's still out there. But I have retrained my eye, much like you did after finding that Deere. 

It's more work than it used to be yes, but anybody can figure out the value of a clearly marked item.

 

I see packs, literally packs of young 20 somethings in a thrift I frequent, they all come in together, instantly get on their smart phone and look everything up that they think might have potential.

What they do though is walk right past the things they would never consider....they don't know where to begin to look up that unmarked thing.....and I walk right behind them and scoup them up. 


Yup, the youngins only know how to look up stuff that has a bar code or is specifially labelled as to what it is. That's because the only smart one is the phone!

 

OP you nailed it with this quote,  "But that ended pretty soon. About 2 years ago. While the smartphone giveth, the smartphone although taketh away. I used to do quite well at estate sales with unusual stuff. If they couldn't find in in 5 minutes on eBay, they used to give up. But now they could just whip out their smartphone and can find it."

 

It's because of this that everyone thinks they can make a living selling....well everyone can't! Personally, its really ruined things for those who actually know what they're doing and have a true love for the business itself. The smartphone ppl could care less about the object or really knowing anything about it. All they care about is being able to make something off it. Of course they'll steal someone elses information to sell it, cause they don't know what it really is. They have no true area of specialty where they've acquired knowledge through the years. This is why they don't know what items are worth unless they can look them up.

 

I've stopped attendingmost auctions because of this. The fun and excitement of them is gone where I live in Florida. It's nothing but retirees,older couples and a smattering of young ppl who don't want to work regular jobs and all think they can make a living reselling. They even move down here with that intention, making it even more competitive for those who've been doing this for decades. Not to mention the snowbirds who flock here and still want to sell while they live here, taking income away from the locals. The flea markets here have all died off in an overpopulated area!! Why, because the dealers can't make any money cuz ppl only want stuff for nothing to resell. Not like they used to, when they bought for themself.

 

You've admitted that your generation doesn't collect anything! Yet they sure like to sell stuff and expect others to buy. I was talking to a friend recently and expressing the fear (like yourself) of what will become of so many great items, since the up and coming generation wants nothing to do with anyting except tech! The ppl who bought and cherished them will be long gone. So the same technology that created this online selling environment will also kill it, as no one will want anything thats for sale and will scam each other out of their tech stuff....add to that the huge cost of shipping and you best find a regular job again! I think the deadend job is now becoming ebay!

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@baantiques wrote:

@prescott4 wrote:
Shows like American Pickers really was a game changer for those who had been pickin long before the show.
Suddenly everyone with a junk pile wanted top dollar.

Reproduction junk and counterfeits from China doesn't help either.

I've learned to pick the off the wall stuff, the ugly stuff ect. If I can't find it on eBay, I want it.

In the car market we call that "Barretjacksonitis".  You have a guy with a rotting piece of **bleep** in his back yard, not worth the effort to scrap it, and he wants $20k for it because he "saw one just like it sell on Barrett Jackson for $100,000".  Nevermind that the one he saw sell was an immaculately restored Yenko Chevelle and his is a 307 Malibu that's missing the drive train and interior.  And then they get mad when no one wants to pay, so they get revenge by selling it for scrap and crushing it.

 

 

 

 


rofl! That sounds like my neighbor. He got insulted when my brother offered to haul all his rotten cars away for free. These things are so bad that when the wind blows, Im afraid Ill get tetnus from the flying bits of rust in the air

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@emerald40 wrote:

Suddenly everyone with a junk pile wanted top dollar.

 

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What I am finding is that people think because it is old, it has to be  valuable.

 

And that is not always the case.  Many times old junk is still junk.


Depends on who's doing the buying.

 

When i had my store I had a woman contact me about estate clothes and I drove out to take a look.  The house was just about empty but the closets were filled with clothes going back to the mid 50s, all of them in very sellable large sizes.  The woman was 6 ft and weighed around 180 - 200 most of her life and most of the 60s stuff was tailored to fit her.

 

The household had had not one but 2 auctions, one a specialty auction for the high priced stuff which was taken off stie and then another that auctioned room by room.  The lady dealing with the estate told me that some of the hats sold and most of the purses, and the jewelry and dresser stuff sold like it was food to the starving, but no one touched the clothes.

 

This stuff was as valuable as gold to me.  I made an offer for everything in the closets and the lady laughed and took it, didn't haggle and told me that it was more than the second auction got for everything that sold and was about half of what the first auction got AND both auctioneers had told her to just donate it all because no one would want it.

 

Doubled my money in less than a month and I still have some of it left because it was well over 500 pieces, so it is still making me money.   My high point was that a couple of members of Parliament-Funkadelic came in and that estate stuff fit one of them like a glove.

 

This would happen to me all the time.  I would buy whole estates full of clothes and no one thought it was valuable.

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@retrose1 wrote:

@emerald40 wrote:

Suddenly everyone with a junk pile wanted top dollar.

 

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What I am finding is that people think because it is old, it has to be  valuable.

 

And that is not always the case.  Many times old junk is still junk.


Depends on whose doing the buying.

 

When i had my store I had a woman contact me about estate clothes and I drove out to take a look.  The house was just about empty but the closets were filled with clothes going back to the mid 50s, all of them in very sellable large sizes.  The woman was 6 ft and weighed around 180 - 200 most of her life and most of the 60s stuff was tailored to fit her.

 

The household had had not one but 2 auctions, one a specialty auction for the high priced stuff which was taken off stie and then another that auctioned room by room.  The lady dealing with the estate told me that some of the hats sold and most of the purses, and the jewelry and dresser stuff sold like it was food to the starving, but no one touched the clothes.

 

This stuff was as valuable as gold to me.  I made an offer for everything in the closets and the lady laughed and took it, didn't haggle and told me that it was more than the second auction got for everything that sold and was about half of what the first auction got AND both auctioneers had told her to just donate it all because no one would want it.

 

Doubled my money in less than a month and I still have some of it left because it was well over 500 pieces, so it is still making me money.   My high point was that a couple of members of Parliament-Funkadelic came in and that estate stuff fit one of them like a glove.

 

This would happen to me all the time.  I would buy whole estates full of clothes and no one thought it was valuable.

 

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Yes as that is your area of expertise.  Mine is jewelry.  I do not even have to see a purity mark to know if it is real or not.  I can tell a diamond from a CZ by a few easy procedures.

 

However when it comes to clothes or purses - I still do not know if the D&B handbag I got for a gift is real.  As far as clothes, Karen Scott does it for me.  A chanel suit could walk right into me and I would not notice.

 

But to  get back to the issue - dolls.

 

A doll from the 1950s is not always valuable if it is not in the right condition.

 

People want pristine in the original box.  With barbie dolls they even know is it is not the original cellophane.

 

Never get on the wrong side of a doll collector.


 

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@retrose1 wrote:

But that is an attidue I am seeing a lot lately.  Dealers that are not willing to do a little work to make money, preferring to pay more to buy perfect items that they can put on the shelf or list immediately and I am willing to pick up their leavings of damaged or common items and sew on a button, or clean an item or steam a hat back into shape and make less money per item, but make a ton more profit.  And it is the profit that is the most important part about the business of selling.


I think this is the key and has helped many of us stay afloat.

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Knowledge is still king, like it always has been.  What's made it harder is that some knowledge has become very easy to get.  What's valuable is the knowledge that's not so easy to get.  You had knowledge of an obscure market, and no one else did.

 

The last auction I picked up an engine fan for a rare and desireable GM application.  I knew what it was but no one else did in a room full of car guys. I got the box for $5.  

 

The kind of knowledge I like is being able to answer the question posed by a guy who just purchased a 39 Ford, about which input shaft he needs for the transmssion.  

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The used clothing resell always baffled me.

 

 I would take a new Karen Scott over a used Chanel.

 

I shopped for my kids clothes in Target, Old Navy, Sears. Mine are mostly from Macy's.

 

Nothing was every designer - but it was always new.

 

JMO of course.

 

 

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@emerald40 wrote:

The used clothing resell always baffled me.

 

 I would take a new Karen Scott over a used Chanel.

 

I shopped for my kids clothes in Target, Old Navy, Sears. Mine are mostly from Macy's.

 

Nothing was every designer - but it was always new.

 

JMO of course.

 

 


I think the idea is many want used designer goods so they can actually afford them or the items are no longer in production.

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I used to feel that way but don't any more. I buy gently used clothing for my entire family. They come clean and I wash them again. I can buy an entirely new wardrobe for a fraction of the cost. I tend to buy Talbots, Lauren and Lands End type clothes that are fairly expensive new for the amount of clothing I like to have for a season.

 

I'd rather have a well-made gently used item than a new cheaper item.

 

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@emerald40 wrote:

Suddenly everyone with a junk pile wanted top dollar.

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 What I am finding is that people think because it is old, it has to be  valuable.

 And that is not always the case.  Many times old junk is still junk.


Just today we had a person selling an antique iron and swears it should easily be sold for $50. Seven completed and only one sold for half what he is asking. One was $10 not a single bid. Yes, it seems no one even checks sold listings anymore and assumes everything should be priced the same as a brick of gold.

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@coolections wrote:

@emerald40 wrote:

Suddenly everyone with a junk pile wanted top dollar.

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 What I am finding is that people think because it is old, it has to be  valuable.

 And that is not always the case.  Many times old junk is still junk.


Just today we had a person selling an antique iron and swears it should easily be sold for $50. Seven completed and only one sold for half what he is asking. One was $10 not a single bid. Yes, it seems no one even checks sold listings anymore and assumes everything should be priced the same as a brick of gold.


A friend of mine just gave back a coat to a friend of hers after it rolled off ebay unsold with only 2 views.  The coat is about 10 years old and is out of style, bad color, is not a designer label and was bought new at Pennys on sale, it is not down or wool just cheap polyester and she is selling it because she is tired of it and wants to get a new one.  She wants $60 for it, that does not include my friends cut for selling it for her and my opinion was that you could buy a better coat cheaper new than what she wanted for that old one.  My friend knew it too and told her, but she refused to even consider that it was maybe worth $10 if it sold at all.  But she insisted because she knew that people would buy it once it was on ebay.

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"My only hope is it comes back out and doesn't just get thrown in the dumpster when the owners die or go into homes"

What you said is unfortunately true. Just the other day, somebody told me that their neighbor's children put their father into a home and that his children rented a huge driveway length dumpster and threw all of his belongings into that dumpster.

What his children didn't know or care to know was that his things were valuable antiques. In the middle of the night I went into the dumpster with a friend of mine and found a Rolex Oyster perpetual watch, an ancient Chinese Warring States sword with carved Jade hilt, antique Victorian painting gold gesso frames with the original glass panels, antique turn of the century-early 20th century wrist watches and pocket watches, WWII militaria, antique pottery Japanese Bonsai pots, silver, gems, rocks, geodes, fossils, antique china, antique camera and watch parts, etc...

It was the first time I've ever dumpster dived and now it will not be my last, lol!

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most of my sourcing comes from thrift stores particularly goodwill . we have two in our area and for the past 2 or 3 months they have dried up completly. 

 

I suspect that all of the good collectible items are going here on ebay . 

 

the manager says all the donations are clothing now  somehow I don't think that is true. 

 

I've not been able to find anything to sell from there in the last 2 months and the garage sale season is over so my sourcing options are almost nill. 

 

as others have ponted out even when I do find vintage  items now there seems to be not much interest in them, trying to find the unusual or one of a kind is where I'm leaing towards also

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Free goodwillie and salavation army skim off what they know as goodie and sell it here on ebay. Folks are so sure they are getting deals both operations are salting in purchased merchandise to increase revenues. Unless you believe folks are dropping off brand $100.00 to $200.00 new sealed lego sets....

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Every time I run into trouble sourcing inventory I come up with a new line to become an expert in...and I never make a buy unless I am guaranteed at minimum of a 7:1 ROI

 

Books, board games, concert t-shirts, kitchen equipment, clock radios, hats, art work...when I get priced out of one I slide over to another that the touristas are ignoring

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