Garand Rifles

[wooolf47]

Be careful, ebay now considers Garand rifles to be assault rifles. They just removed my listing for a flash hider, that will only fit a Garand, because they said it was an assault rifle part. The listing clearly stated it was for a Garnnd

[pburn]

Thank goodness.

[rock.star]

Ebay has always seen the M1 garand rifle as a assault weapon this is nothing new .

[7606dennis]

While I'm not quite sure if the term assault rifle is entirely an accurate term to describe any rifle, although they may indeed be used in an assault, considering that the M1 was carried by many, if not most, of the American troops assaulting the Normandy beaches on D-day I can see where eBay would class it as such and prohibit its parts from being sold on the site.

[richard1rst]

Don’t mean to step on your rant, but the “Garand” is actually the M-1 rifle which was used by all branches of the U S military from the mid 1930’s until the late 1950’s. It was for decades the U S military’s official weapon of war. Many of our allies also used it.

No less than General George S. Patton called it "the greatest battle implement ever devised".

Within the military and in line with the Geneva Convention rules of war a flash hider (actually it was called a “flash suppressor”) was an illegal attachment. We, in the military, were prohibited from even owning one let alone using it.

Its only purpose was to prevent people you are shooting at from seeing where you are shooting from thereby preventing them from defending themselves by shooting back.

So why would a civilian need one?

[gracieallen01]

While the M-1 was a weapon used at the 'assault' at Normandy (or attack or defeat or endeavor or battle), it is NOT an assault rifle, no matter what ebay says.  The flash suppressor is illegal, yes, but that doesn't make the rifle into a semi AND full automatic, which is the definition of an 'assault rifle'.

To be considered an assault rifle, the weapon must be capable of selective fire, which means it has the capacity to switch between semi-automatic and burst and full automatic fire.

[richard1rst]

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@gracieallen01 wrote:

While the M-1 was a weapon used at the 'assault' at Normandy (or attack or defeat or endeavor or battle), it is NOT an assault rifle, no matter what ebay says.  The flash suppressor is illegal, yes, but that doesn't make the rifle into a semi AND full automatic, which is the definition of an 'assault rifle'.

To be considered an assault rifle, the weapon must be capable of selective fire, which means it has the capacity to switch between semi-automatic and burst and full automatic fire.

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Well that is not entirely true.

In basic training we were shown how to convert an M-1 to a fully automatic weapon. Yes, the clip only held 8 rounds, but they could be fired as a single burst.

It is not wise here to give detailed instructions, but it has to do with the little knob that the trigger catches on when the bolt recoils to chamber the next round. Removing that knob prevents the trigger from “catching” and turns the weapon into a fully automatic / burst mode. That fits your definition of an assault rifle.

Separate from all of that, an assault weapon is also defined as one that can have a flash suppressor attached. And that is exactly what the OP is trying to sell.

And as icing on the cake, the Federal Assault Weapons Ban of 1994 said “In general, assault weapons are semiautomatic firearms with a large magazine of ammunition that were designed and configured for rapid fire and combat use.” OK, 8 rounds may not qualify as a “large” magazine but the rest applies.

That certainly describes the M-1. Notice that they said “rapid” fire not “automatic” fire. An M-1 can be fired rapidly by rapidly squeezing the trigger without needing to take the time to chamber a new round. Prior to the M-1 the military used a bolt action Springfield where each round was chambered independently. That was not able to be fired rapidly.

[gracieallen01]

If you wish to discuss the properties of an assault rifle, let us put aside the issue of the ban (icing on the cake???) - by politicians reacting to public demands on any firearm - and consider the true technical issues that define one, without the supposition of a modified rifle qualifying or not.

The U.S. Army defines assault rifles as "short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges." In a strict definition, a firearm must have at least the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle:

• It must be capable of selective fire..
• It must have an intermediate-power cartrige: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle, such as the7.92 x 33mm Kurz, the 7.62x39mm and the 5.546x45mm NATO.
• Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable box magazine.
• It must have an effective range of at least 300 meters (330 yards).

Rifles that meet most of these criteria, but not all, are technically not assault rifles, despite frequently being called such.

For example:

• Select-fire M2 Carbines are not assault rifles; their effective range is only 200 yards.
• Select-fire rifles such as the FN FAL battle rifle are not assault rifles; they fire full-powered rifle cartridges.
• Semi-automatic-only rifles like the Colt AR-45 are not assault rifles; they do not have select-fire capabilities.
• Semi-automatic-only rifles with fixed magazines like the SKS are not assault rifles; they do not have detachable box magazines and are not capable of automatic fire.

[richard1rst]

Well I suppose that when you have different groups applying different definitions to the same term there will always be disagreements. Federal law written by politicians (bowing to public pressure but still with the force of law) says one thing and the Military (who certainly should be able to define their own weapons) says another.

Then the news media gets into the act with headline seeking “opinions”

No agreement amongst them will always equal no resolution. As a veteran myself I tend to favor the military in all things war. But as a civilian I/we are bound by the politician's dictates.

And the debate goes on.

[mopata]

I just searched "Garand Stock" and got back 395 results so, it doesn't appear that all Garand parts are being shut down.  I also searched "flash hider" and got 422 results, including several for much more modern magazine fed semi-autos than the Garand.  You probably just got hit with one of those random ebay take downs that happen on occasion for no apparent reason that makes any sense.

[gracieallen01]

My  apologies for 'getting technical'.  I had taken the thread to be about the OP's M-1 being taken off the platform because it was an 'assault rifle'.  Having, long ago, been very close to the military, I tend to ignore much of the hysteria in the news about deadly weapons (I don't see them taking cars off the road or alcohol off the shelves). 

[luckythewinner]

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It was for decades the U S military’s official weapon of war. Many of our allies also used it.

No less than General George S. Patton called it "the greatest battle implement ever devised".

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Not directed at the person who posted this, but just to expand on the thought ... 

Let's not forget that one of things the U.S. military fights and sacrifices for is to preserve our rights as Americans.  One of those rights is the right for eBay to decide what users can and cannot do on their site. 

And whether or not the M1 is an assault rifle, the eBay user agreement says this:  We reserve the right to refuse, modify, or terminate all or part of our Services to anyone for any reason at our discretion."

[gracieallen01]

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@luckythewinner wrote:

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It was for decades the U S military’s official weapon of war. Many of our allies also used it.

No less than General George S. Patton called it "the greatest battle implement ever devised".

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Not directed at the person who posted this, but just to expand on the thought ... 

Let's not forget that one of things the U.S. military fights and sacrifices for is to preserve our rights as Americans.  One of those rights is the right for eBay to decide what users can and cannot do on their site. 

And whether or not the M1 is an assault rifle, the eBay user agreement says this:  We reserve the right to refuse, modify, or terminate all or part of our Services to anyone for any reason at our discretion."

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Also, let us not forget that the U.S. military fights for the rights of ALL Americans - not just the wealthy, influential, out-spoken or irresponsible.

[vietcoinscollection]

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@richard1rst wrote:

Don’t mean to step on your rant, but the “Garand” is actually the M-1 rifle which was used by all branches of the U S military from the mid 1930’s until the late 1950’s. It was for decades the U S military’s official weapon of war. Many of our allies also used it.

No less than General George S. Patton called it "the greatest battle implement ever devised".

Within the military and in line with the Geneva Convention rules of war a flash hider (actually it was called a “flash suppressor”) was an illegal attachment. We, in the military, were prohibited from even owning one let alone using it.

Its only purpose was to prevent people you are shooting at from seeing where you are shooting from thereby preventing them from defending themselves by shooting back.

So why would a civilian need one?

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Many people wonder why a person would need an M1 rifle in the first place.

[iaintdoingit]

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@vietcoinscollection wrote:

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@richard1rst wrote:

Don’t mean to step on your rant, but the “Garand” is actually the M-1 rifle which was used by all branches of the U S military from the mid 1930’s until the late 1950’s. It was for decades the U S military’s official weapon of war. Many of our allies also used it.

No less than General George S. Patton called it "the greatest battle implement ever devised".

Within the military and in line with the Geneva Convention rules of war a flash hider (actually it was called a “flash suppressor”) was an illegal attachment. We, in the military, were prohibited from even owning one let alone using it.

Its only purpose was to prevent people you are shooting at from seeing where you are shooting from thereby preventing them from defending themselves by shooting back.

So why would a civilian need one?

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Many people wonder why a person would need an M1 rifle in the first place.

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Some of us are collectors!!!!!