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Fallen into a sophisticated scam for 1st time after 20 years. What responsibility should eBay hold?

For so many years, I have been very careful with scams, and never thought I would make such a mistake.  However, I think eBay should hold accountable to some extent. I have contacted eBay three times via chat, and "it is escalated". While waiting, I want to share what happened. 

 

1. One day morning I got a message from one buyer complainting that my buyer requiremments prevent him from paying as he is a new buyer. It contains a clickable tinyurl link in the ebay app. I clicked and it seems a legitimate ebay website but asking my login info. I typically don't click any link like that. But in the early morning my brain was probably not running well and I logged in from there and find nothing to change in the setting. 

 

2. I got an item (a different item) sold message 30 minutes later from ebay, and also a message from another buyer that he has paid. I looked at the ebay transaction, and it says ship it now.  

 

3. I checked the payment history, i don't find the payment though. However, I did see something called self-note saying the payment is on hold until Dec. 27. (self-note is new for me, i should have chance to find it is a scam at this stage too)

 

4. After printing the shipping label, I am still not sure about the payment. I contacted ebay chat support, asking about the transaction, and pending payment. The representative assured me that everything looks good. A payment will be transfer to my account as soon as USPS delivery shows it is delivered. 

 

5. I shipped it. Two days after delivery, i still dont see it in my ebay payment, and then realized there might be soemthing wrong. 

 

6. I contacted ebay chat again, and a represensative asked me if I changed myself to payment received, i said no. I showed him the chat record on Dec. 15 when I was assured everything looks fine. He said to escalated the issue to his managers and would get me back in 5 business days. 

 

7. 14 days has passed. Today I checked with ebay chat support again and was told they are still investigating. The chat representative suggested me to ask the buyer to pay, though the buyer is no longer registered on ebay already.  

 

I see the whole scam process: the scammer accessed my ebay account, modified the listing (i usually require immediate payment), marked payment received, added a self-note that the payment is pending and will be released by Dec 27th, and then ship it now was showing even though payment is not received).  

 

My item is  $830, and i paid USPS priority shipping, insurance, signature required, etc.  The buyer is in Miami, FL. 

 

I admitted I should have not clicked the link in the first place. But in my view, ebay cannot deny their responsibility: 

 

1. Do not prevent the clickable scam tinyurl from sending to me.

2. I had 2-step auth enabled but I did not get notification when my account was accessed by the scammer. 

3. The representative confirmed me everything is fine when i ask for the transaction. eBay has opportunity to stop the scam but they don't.  

 

What should I do, if ebay does not take care of my case? Should I go for small claim court? eBay still charged my final value fee and other cost which is around $80.  

 

Thanks. 

 

 

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1. One day morning I got a message from one buyer complainting that my buyer requiremments prevent him from paying as he is a new buyer.

 

@dealslong 

 

Well, I'll bite. I don't care how early in the morning it was, this ^^^ is a HUGE red flag; there's not an option to block for this.

 

With that being said, I've not heard of this scam and have no advice to offer. So sorry you fell prey...

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Did the message come to you through your messages folder on ebay?  Also, it's been awhile since I've sold anything (around a year) but there was no way to block payments for new ebayers.

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Thanks for your comments. For so many years I have encountered all different scams. And this is by far the best one.  I shared it and hope to warn the people who are like me and thought they wont fall into any scams, that it could happen, as everyone has vulnerable moments.  

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Yes, the message is through the ebay app. 

 

Maybe that is no longer the case but I do remember there were times that new buyers have some restrictions if they have negative feedbacks or too short history. 

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I'm so sorry this happened to you, really and truly I am. However you were the victim of a scam, just like many others in the world. I don't see how you can turn around and blame eBay for your clicking on a link which caused all of this.

 

How can you expect eBay to prevent a scam link being sent to you? That's like saying you blame USPS because someone mailed you a scam letter, or blaming the phone company for scam calls. When does the responsibility simply rest on the person who inadvertently fell for a scam? 

 

Things happen in life to each and every one of us. No need to blame yourself, and I hope I haven't come across that way. I just don't understand how you can blame eBay. Best of luck to you....

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1. Do not prevent the clickable scam tinyurl from sending to me.

You've been here 20 years and you know that links have always been allowed in eBay messages. And you know that eBay adds links to every message that explaining how to protect your account from scammers. One of the suggestions is to avoid clicking links.

 

2. I had 2-step auth enabled but I did not get notification when my account was accessed by the scammer.

Did you get a 2FA notification when you clicked the scam link and gave your username and password to the scammer?

 

3. The representative confirmed me everything is fine when i ask for the transaction.

Did you explain that 30 minutes prior, you had clicked a link in an unsolicited eBay message from a stranger?

 

 

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My item is  $830, and i paid USPS priority shipping, insurance, signature required, etc.  The buyer is in Miami, FL.

 

@dealslong 

 

The buyer probably isn't in Miami... I'll bet it went to a freight forwarder. I don't see an item sold for this amount, either...

was it another phone? One recourse might be to report it as stolen to the carrier, and kill it now. Just thinking out loud...

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@dealslong wrote:

I do remember there were times that new buyers have some restrictions if they have negative feedbacks or too short history. 


Can you elaborate on when that was, and what the restrictions on buyers were?

 

 

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How long ago did you ship it @dealslong? If it's still in transit, file a package intercept with the carrier immediately

 

Have you changed your eBay passwords, e-mail passwords, etc? Checked that your phone, bank account, etc on your eBay account haven't been altered?

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@wastingtime101 wrote:

How long ago did you ship it @dealslong? If it's still in transit, file a package intercept with the carrier immediately

 

Have you changed your eBay passwords, e-mail passwords, etc? Checked that your phone, bank account, etc on your eBay account haven't been altered?


Was reading and about to type the same thing.  Also, do your have the IMEI for this phone??  If you do, report that IMEI as stolen.  Do it asap.


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@mtgraves7984 wrote:

 

With that being said, I've not heard of this scam and have no advice to offer. So sorry you fell prey...


That's the new scammer way around the crusty rusty old standby "I'm having problems paying, can you send me a Paypal invoice".

 

Buyer claims to have trouble paying. They claim to have contacted CS who told them to give the seller a link to enable the buyer to pay.  Most scammers will use a simple capture form, then a little later the seller gets an email from "Ebay" that the buyer has paid, they need to ship, etc., etc. The more sophisticated and devious scammers will use keyloggers or trojans to infect the seller's computer.

 

Fun times for all.

 

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I blame myself most. But when I chat with ebay they have the opportunity to find out the scam. The first representative confirmed me it is fine to ship. I did not tell anything about the click because at that moments it seems irrelevant with the transaction. 

 

Regarding blocking the tiny url technically it is very easy. I don’t know why they cannot detect it. 

Yes, it is a new iPhone 13. I reported to T-Mobile and it is already blocked in USA. But I see people can use it in other countries because it is not shared globally. Apple does not help even though I have Apple care plus purchases. It has to have the find my iPhone feature turned on in order to block from Apple side. 

usps shipping is done. I have no way to intercept it after usps finishing delivery. It is signed by a local Miami person. 


 

 

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I remember old days seller can block buyers who have two negative feedbacks. But this should have been gone long time ago as buyer cannot get negative feedbacks. 

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To be exact it is sold for $829.00 on Dec 15th. 

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