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Fake Waterford?

Just got a glass today...a replacement for one I bashed against the faucet years ago.  Alana by Waterford.  I knew right away that there ws something wrong, the weight was off, there was an oval 'chip' near the bottem, and it wasn't cut just pressed.  And the sig is blurred.  I think the oval flaw is where they spilled a drop of acid while doing the (probably fake) acid etched sig.

 

The color is yellow white not gray white like leaded glass.

 

I know Waterford is made in China now but this is ridiculous and cost me over 50 bucks.  Already contacted the Seller.

 

I have to say that I have had good luck buying from China (don't spank me) I make jewelry.  And rather than pay Joann a 100% or more markup I buy direct.

 

This, however, bothers me.

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Fake Waterford?

Can you get a pic of the mark? I know a lady who sells Waterford, she might be able tp verify it
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From the way moondog described it, I have no doubt it's fake.

Sherry

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Wow. I've never seen fake Waterford. There's the new cheaply made Waterford, easy stuff with no cut glass, but not the old patterns like your Alana. I have a collection of vintage Maureen. 

There's no comparison to what you describe and vintage Waterford. It is always crystal clear, it is always heavy, solid, and the mark is extremely distinct and of course it is not pressed. It is not always marked though, two of my water goblets have no etch on the bottom but match the rest that do exactly. 

Did you buy this glass from China? 

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Did not buy it from China...from a seller with lots of good FB. He/she had sold 3 of these.
The 'mark' is blurred, and the oval flaw is clearly caused by an acid drop. The distinctive Waterford cuts are not there and I have the two glasses right in front of me. If I run my fingers over the 'new' one...and then again over my older one the feel is so different.

I am waiting for an answer from my seller, but this will seriously influence my buying. And I LOVE Waterford.

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I have to add...when flipping my finger (NOT advised for really thin glass) against the top...the 'maybe fake' sounds dull, about a 3rd (I'm a musician) lower and almost a clunk but not quite. The older glass rings like crystal.

I am hoping that Waterford, and Swarovski (beads) do NOT get dumbed down.....I will stop buying both.
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Did not mean to ignore you...Dakota...I have been buying Waterford for over 40 years. So I do know the mark. I was just wanting to know if anyone else had seen any gosh don't wanna say fake, but dang it can't be real.
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I have never seen fake Waterford either.  I hate to say it, but I hope it really is fake and not a sign of future quality.

 

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Me too, because the oval defect (obvious acid drop) and NOT thrown in the trash, does not harbinger good things as in quality to come.

I just searched Alana...got 3 listings, and then the good old also see, a few...one was a listing for a few glasses...put them in my watch, it's getting late.

Will update when I hear from the Seller.
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I do want to add..if I wasn't a dealer for about a century, and didn't know my glass, I might have been fooled. It has a nice hand feel and looks good just sitting there. But I have it side by side with the real thing and does not compare. I knew just taking it out of the box that it was just not right...any of us that has handled glass for a long time will probably feel the same.
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You won't match old waterford with new you need to hunt down the old made in Ireland the new stuff is just not the same...

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I take back my rapid "it must be fake" response, as in someone taking a piece of glass and trying to etch Waterford on the bottom.  It could very easily be coming out of the back door of the Chinese Wateford-making-place.   Like all of the designer bags that are almost but not quite correct.

 

My husband received a full set of expensive TaylorMade clubs from a businessman in China (we used to do a lot of business there and I have a closet of bizarre gifts - are they gold or are they not?).  He gave them to someone else and the first time the someone else swung one of the clubs, the head flew off of the shaft.

 

They were produced at the TaylorMade plant but they weren't on the first line of production.  Or second.  Or third.  More like the dark of night shift.

Sherry

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@sharingtheland wrote:

I take back my rapid "it must be fake" response, as in someone taking a piece of glass and trying to etch Waterford on the bottom.  It could very easily be coming out of the back door of the Chinese Wateford-making-place.   Like all of the designer bags that are almost but not quite correct.

 

My husband received a full set of expensive TaylorMade clubs from a businessman in China (we used to do a lot of business there and I have a closet of bizarre gifts - are they gold or are they not?).  He gave them to someone else and the first time the someone else swung one of the clubs, the head flew off of the shaft.

 

They were produced at the TaylorMade plant but they weren't on the first line of production.  Or second.  Or third.  More like the dark of night shift.


The real Waterford works in China does not have any apparatus for making molded glass. It could have been manufactured in the same neighborhood though! Or on a different floor in the same building. And there's no ruling out the possibility that a factory worker takes his expertise to another employer after hours.

 

I have some friends who went on a business trip in China and wanted to get some unique souvenirs that you can't buy in shops. They got a tour guide to take them shopping for fake Rolex watches. What they got was an incredible experience.

 

The guide dragged them by the arm through floor after floor of factories of every kind of fake imaginable, from plastic quartz movements with misspelled logos, all the way to clean rooms where workers were assembling clones that a jewelry store owner would have trouble telling from the real thing. They proceeded as far as they were comfortable before they felt that any further and the FTC would be lurking behind a door to bust them, and purchased some very nice watches that would fool anyone on the street.

 

Some districts in that part of the world deal exclusively in manufacturing fakes.

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This. ^^^^   Many people here don't have any idea what is going on in Chinese manufacturing.

 

They've even figured out how to duplicate the Rolex sweep hand, which was always the first and obvious thing to look at for authenticity.

Sherry

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Yep. If there's anything worth having, China will find a way to fake it and ruin the secondary market for it.



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