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Extend the auction by three minutes when a bid is placed with in the last 3 minutes. Seller Plus

 Everyone after dealing with a European counterpart of Ebay for awhile, it seems such a great idea for the seller. It really does promote the auction enviroment and will get rid of all the snipers. I have placed my highest bid before at the end and then missed it by 5 cents, that is crazy. If I had 3 minutes to think about it I could have bid again and again until I decided to give up or  they do. That seller may have made another $100 or so.  All the sniping sites now are competeing with each other and on a hot item, the buyer waiting till the last 10 seconds to place a bid will sometimes get shut out, because of to much traffic. I can't believe Ebay hasn't thought of doing this to aid the seller in getting the most they can, evetrybody wins on this the seller, Ebay, and the person that really wants this item has a chance to get it.  I had a buyer tell me if he really wants something he just places a ridiculous bid and if it goes to high he claims he just made a mistake and does not honor his bid.  This would elimitatre all these problems. What does everyone else think. 

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@eagle7918 wrote:

 Everyone after dealing with a European counterpart of Ebay for awhile, it seems such a great idea for the seller. It really does promote the auction enviroment and will get rid of all the snipers. I have placed my highest bid before at the end and then missed it by 5 cents, that is crazy. If I had 3 minutes to think about it I could have bid again and again until I decided to give up or  they do. That seller may have made another $100 or so.  All the sniping sites now are competeing with each other and on a hot item, the buyer waiting till the last 10 seconds to place a bid will sometimes get shut out, because of to much traffic. I can't believe Ebay hasn't thought of doing this to aid the seller in getting the most they can, evetrybody wins on this the seller, Ebay, and the person that really wants this item has a chance to get it.  I had a buyer tell me if he really wants something he just places a ridiculous bid and if it goes to high he claims he just made a mistake and does not honor his bid.  This would elimitatre all these problems. What does everyone else think. 


As an auction bidder, that would not make me very happy.  It would be a boon to shill bidders though.  I'm not sure I'd bid here anymore, I fail to see how that would be a benefit to a seller. 

 

As a seller who sells auctions, I don't like the idea, because serious auction bidders will just stop bidding. 

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What I think is this horse has been beat to death so often that its just a pile of lumpy meat.

 

Seriously, High bid wins. Snipe, Proxy, I dont care.

The Race is over
The Rats won.
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@the*dog*ate*my*tablecloth wrote:

BTW Game Theory would tell us that auction extensions encourage bidders to bid less as they will always have a chance to rebid. Until they have to stop bidding to go to the bathroom or forget to return near the end of the listing.

 

Ebay never leaves money on the table. IF they thought AE would raise their fees they would have implemented it 15 years ago.

 


And there's the money shot... game over.

Chaos is NOT an "industry standard".
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Oh gawd - another whiner. Every few months here comes another inexperienced clueless person who thinks they should be able to nibble bid (itsy teny bids one after another) and drag it out until they win.

 

Ebay is simple.   Know the max you are willing to pay and then put in that bid.  You will get the item if you are the high bidder and will only pay 1 bid increment over the lower bidder - not the maximum you put in if you were a lot higher than the lower bidder.

 

YOu can either

 

(1) Put the bid in at anytime the auction is running which lets  nibble bidders pick at your bid and drive it up. You might still win but they push you up to more than you would have paid because they weren't serious enough to go higher

 

(2) Snipe it in the last seconds. Do it manually (if you don't mind being tied to the keyboard) or use a service.

 

Sellers LOVE snipers. They are serious bidders who don't fool around with dinky multiple bids.  They bid once and bid as high as they are prepared to go.   And they pay FAST and don't back out of a purchase.

 

Just because someone sniped it and beat you by one bid increment doesn't mean that was all they bid  -  they probably were quite a bit higher on what they put in as the bid. You were just chicken or cheap or couldn't afford to play. 

 

QUitcher whining.   Know how high you will go and just put in the #$@%! BID!  If you are too chicken to do that, then you deserve to lose.

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No. 

As a bidder, I do not care to allow you to see what I think the item is worth, so I place my bid in the last few seconds.  If you don't know what the item is worth to you, so that you can place a bid at any time before auction end, for an amount that reflects your valuation of the item, well, that's on you.

 

As a seller, I dream of having two snipers on every auction!

List more, sell more. Goodwill that other, uh, stuff.

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@div_style wrote:

 

As a seller, I dream of having two snipers on every auction!


Within the last couple of weeks, I watched an item go from $5 or so with one bid (sat that way for a few days) to just under $30 in the last few seconds with bids from 3 or 4 people.  I was ready to bid within the last minute, but my last page refresh showed it had gone above what I was willing to pay.

 

 


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@eagle7918 wrote:

 Everyone after dealing with a European counterpart of Ebay for awhile, it seems such a great idea for the seller. It really does promote the auction enviroment and will get rid of all the snipers. I have placed my highest bid before at the end and then missed it by 5 cents, that is crazy. If I had 3 minutes to think about it I could have bid again and again until I decided to give up or  they do. That seller may have made another $100 or so.  All the sniping sites now are competeing with each other and on a hot item, the buyer waiting till the last 10 seconds to place a bid will sometimes get shut out, because of to much traffic. I can't believe Ebay hasn't thought of doing this to aid the seller in getting the most they can, evetrybody wins on this the seller, Ebay, and the person that really wants this item has a chance to get it.  I had a buyer tell me if he really wants something he just places a ridiculous bid and if it goes to high he claims he just made a mistake and does not honor his bid.  This would elimitatre all these problems. What does everyone else think. 


      I think...

 IF, ebay wanted to get rid of the auction format, this would be the one sure fire way to do IT.

 

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“All the sniping sites now are competeing with each other and on a hot item, the buyer waiting till the last 10 seconds to place a bid will sometimes get shut out, because of to much traffic.”

 

I did some “back of the envelope” calculations a while back, and estimated that, at peak times, eBay’s systems process about 10,000 bids per second. Anyone thinking they’ve gotten “locked out” because 3 or 4 snipers bid on an auction in the last 10 seconds is out of touch with reality.

 

BTW, no surprise that the OP is a seagull.

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@the*dog*ate*my*tablecloth wrote:

Live auctions last for minutes and usually take place in a physical location. Do you think whe should all have to fly to San Jose and bid with paddles? 

 

How can anything shortchange both buyers and sellers? Most bidders know how to bid already and don't need the system to be changed. Most sellers know that snipers bid high and usually know what they want and pay quickly. Why would you want them to stop buying here? They're not going to put up with that change to the system

 

Ditto auto-payment. I'm not giving Ebay permission to charge my credit card. Many auction buyers would walk and Ebay sellers would lose millions of dollars.

 


Who said anything about having to travel to a live auction?  Many auction companies are using internet bidding, so you can bid from halfway across the country.  No need to travel.  And the ones I'm seeing have a week or so for people to put in maximum proxy bids, which are then treated like absentee bids during the live auction.  You can put in a max bid just like you do on Ebay - there is nothing to stop you.

 

The important part is that all potential buyers have an opportunity to place their bids until no one wants to go any higher.  That important aspect is what ebay is missing due to the rigid timing structure of their auctions.  

 

Yes, it short changes buyers and sellers.  Bidders can put in a max bid 7 days before the end, but that eliminates the emotional bidding that often happens.  Auction bidders get attached to items they are bidding on, and if an auction is ended prematurely (before the bidding would naturally end on its own), you eliminate a lot of that emotional bidding and hence items will sell for less.  There are a lot of competitive people out there who bid, and you want to stoke that competitive nature, not stifle it, and ebay's auction structure stifles it.

 

Buyers on the other hand get short changed by not being able to reconsider their maximum bid in light of the competition, because there isn't time.  I don't know how many times I've put in a bid that was the going rate plus an extra 20-30% for good measure only to have it bid up and over that.  You just never know what items are going to go for and you can miss out if you aren't in there at the end.  And even if you ARE there at the end, you still might miss out due to the auction ending while there are still willing bidders.

 

Nobody would walk if Ebay required auto payment.  Do you know of any online sales venues that don't, besides Ebay?  I can't think of any.  People are used to it. I don't see places that DO require immediate payment seeing an absence of bidders.  It might chase away non payers, but since they don't pay anway, who cares?

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@baantiques wrote:

@the*dog*ate*my*tablecloth wrote:

 

Nobody would walk if Ebay required auto payment.  Do you know of any online sales venues that don't, besides Ebay?  I can't think of any.


How about Etsy, eCrater, and any other site that allows the seller to decide how they receive payment (and on both of those I specifically named, I do still get cash and money order payments if that is how the buyer wants to pay)? In fact, the only venue I can name from my own experience that outright does require immediate payment is Amazon; and I fired them as a venue quite some time ago because they were no longer being profitable for me.

If it works, sell it. If it works well, sell it for more. If it doesn't work, quadruple the price and sell it as an antique.

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@castlemagicmemories wrote:

In losing by 5 cents, that is the luck of the draw.  Your max wasn't high enough.  It happens.  Someone entered a higher bid and won.  You don't know that extensions on time would have made you the winner.

 



And to top it off, you do not know for sure that you (the OP) lost by only a nickel.  For all you know, the winning bidder's max proxy bid could have been twice what yours was, and you would have had to bid up past whatever that secret max was (likely not just a mere nickel) to be top bidder again.


Absolutely right, sorry I didn't make that plain.  

The winner's bid could have been hundreds of dollars more than the OP's.

 

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I can't think of any online site that requires auto payment. Maybe some of the niche auction sites that I have never heard of. All the other sites require me to know what I'm buying and authorize payment. 

 

Given how screwed up Ebay has made search, listing forms, seller hubs, etc, NO I absolutely would not trust them to automatically bill my card. Sellers have to do it to play the game. Buyers can go buy anywhere else.

 

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And if a bidder cannot decide what an item is worth to them in the seven days the auction is live they don't deserve another chance.

 

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@castlemagicmemories wrote:

@nowthatsjustducky wrote:

@castlemagicmemories wrote:

In losing by 5 cents, that is the luck of the draw.  Your max wasn't high enough.  It happens.  Someone entered a higher bid and won.  You don't know that extensions on time would have made you the winner.


And to top it off, you do not know for sure that you (the OP) lost by only a nickel.  For all you know, the winning bidder's max proxy bid could have been twice what yours was, and you would have had to bid up past whatever that secret max was (likely not just a mere nickel) to be top bidder again.


Absolutely right, sorry I didn't make that plain.  

The winner's bid could have been hundreds of dollars more than the OP's.


Actually no, in this example, it could not. If you lose by a nickel, then the winner only outbid you by a nickel. Had you bid 6¢ higher instead, you would have won by a penny.

 

The leader's maximum bid normally stays hidden, because once there are two or more bidders in play, the current auction price rises to the second-place bid plus one increment. For example, suppose the current price is $20 and the lead bidder's hidden maximum is $50. If the second-place guy bids $30, the current price will rise to $31 ($30 plus a $1 increment). The leader will stay in the lead.

 

Now let's say the second-place guy bids $49.95. That's less than one bid increment ($1) below the leader, but it's still second place. The current price now rises to $50 (because that's all the leader has for his bid), and the leader remains there, but he's only hanging on by a nickel.

 

Now suppose that instead of $49.95, the second-place guy bids $50.05. That puts him in the lead... but only by 5¢. Less than one increment, but his bid is genuinely higher than the other guy's, so he's now in first place.

 

When you make a bid, you have to plug in a number that's at least one increment higher than whatever the current price is, but there's no upper limit to what you can bid, and no way to predict where you're going to land as compared to the leader's hidden maximum. It's definitely possible to bid high and still miss getting past the leader's hidden maximum... even by just five cents. On the other hand, you could win by that same narrow margin. Being even one cent ahead of the other guy can win it for you.

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