06-16-2019 05:58 PM
So I sold a vintage doll outfit yesterday. The buyer is fairly new at 141 and her feedback left shows she has no idea how feedback or eBay really works. A few false/mistakenly left positives and a string of "how do you ship and does that include PO boxes?" left AS feedback.
She sent a few messages making offers on it and I replied I wasn't considering any offers right now. Then she said she wouldn't have the money until 7/1. I thought that was the end of it until she ended up buying and paying. She said she "borrowed" the money. Needless to say my hackles were already up.
Since yesterday I've gotten over 20 messages double checking that it was indeed vintage. I responded with the reasons why I'm certain it is and if she was still in doubt I would be happy to cancel for her. She would only say she wanted it if it was vintage. Clearly my 25 years of experience in my niche means nothing, nor does my feedback which she is free to review to confirm that I'm not in the habit of trying to defraud anyone.
I can already see what's on the horizon. She will receive it, claim it's fake, yada yada yada. So to all the posters who say "kill them with kindness" and "turn them into happy repeat customers with your great customer service skills", how would you proceed?
I'm one more message away from canceling and taking the hit.
06-25-2019 04:11 PM
It is true about buyers who ask irrelevant questions or pester you to lower the price: I recognize them now by looking at their spelling and the manner how they phrase their sentences., choice of words,etc. 9 out of 10 are “junkies”. Sometimes when I look at what they have written I can see smoke coming out of their ears...( figuratively speaking)
06-25-2019 04:24 PM
@tellmemama wrote:So I sold a vintage doll outfit yesterday. The buyer is fairly new at 141 and her feedback left shows she has no idea how feedback or eBay really works. A few false/mistakenly left positives and a string of "how do you ship and does that include PO boxes?" left AS feedback.
She sent a few messages making offers on it and I replied I wasn't considering any offers right now. Then she said she wouldn't have the money until 7/1. I thought that was the end of it until she ended up buying and paying. She said she "borrowed" the money. Needless to say my hackles were already up.
Since yesterday I've gotten over 20 messages double checking that it was indeed vintage. I responded with the reasons why I'm certain it is and if she was still in doubt I would be happy to cancel for her. She would only say she wanted it if it was vintage. Clearly my 25 years of experience in my niche means nothing, nor does my feedback which she is free to review to confirm that I'm not in the habit of trying to defraud anyone.
I can already see what's on the horizon. She will receive it, claim it's fake, yada yada yada. So to all the posters who say "kill them with kindness" and "turn them into happy repeat customers with your great customer service skills", how would you proceed?
I'm one more message away from canceling and taking the hit.
OVER 20 messages,,, did I read that right, more than 20 messages? I have seen 20 messages about a motor car purchase but never for anything else.
I have always said that ebay can't make buyers pay and they can't make sellers ship, only you can make the decision for what's good for you and your business. Complete nightmare, good luck.
06-25-2019 06:14 PM
@tellmemama wrote:Update #2:
Surprise! After three days of radio silence, she sent two messages. One claiming snaps were missing (they weren't) and one complaining the buttons weren't wood (they never were). I told her to open a return request and she would be issued a prepaid label to send it back for a full refund. She did (and used "doesn't seem authentic" as the reason). I followed up with informing her the package will be opened with the mail carrier present and once it is verified to be the same item I sent, her money would be refunded.
As a side note, not only was the return not automatically approved as it had been in the past, but I had to create and upload a label because there was no longer a selection to have eBay issue a label and bill me for it. Is this yet another new hurdle??
PS: She's getting reported for everything under the sun: misusing the MBG, asking for something not in the listing (wooden buttons??), and making false claims about the item. I hope she has the sense to return the vintage set I sent and not the reproduction version she uploaded photographs of in the return...
Also, thanks to her any buyer making an offer or asking more than two questions gets blocked. Period.
I'm sorry this happened, as you sound like a very nice seller. You were warned it would. I'm surprised you shipped. She was setting you up for a SNAD from the get go with her repeated questions about being vintage. She was already prepared to do so, as you state she submitted a repop photo version in her return case. It only takes asking a question and receiving a valid answer once for something as simple as confirming vintage authenticity. Any pertinent questions should always be addressed prior to purchase. When a buyer asks me a question about something I already stated in my listing, they most often end up in my BBL. I can almost feel the set up due to the way they word their question. When you reach a certain number of transactions, you know when something isn't right with a potential buyer and follow your gut.
There were big bright red flags waving at you over 20 times which you chose to look past. You sadly spent a great deal of time on this buyer with only a loss to show for and potentially a fraudulent return. The moment I receive offer requests on items I don't accept this option, I check feedback and most often block. Like you said, I state in my listings not to submit offers and I figure if they feel they're above this request or simply didn't bother to read, there's the greatest potential for a problem.
Bear in mind that when someone shows you who they are, believe it! It will save you future headaches.
06-25-2019 06:22 PM
Unfortunately, as the seller, you are damned if you do, damned if you don't here.
Ebay's policy toward sellers is, "no matter what, the buyer is right and the seller is wrong and responsible."
I say cancel and take the hit, as you are gonna get hit either way, likely.
I'm sorry!!
The only real way to win with Ebay as a seller is to leave Ebay or, at most, only utilize your 50 free listings per month and hope for the best, when it comes to buyers.
06-25-2019 06:57 PM
@auctionpet wrote:
@tellmemama wrote:Update #2:
Surprise! After three days of radio silence, she sent two messages. One claiming snaps were missing (they weren't) and one complaining the buttons weren't wood (they never were). I told her to open a return request and she would be issued a prepaid label to send it back for a full refund. She did (and used "doesn't seem authentic" as the reason). I followed up with informing her the package will be opened with the mail carrier present and once it is verified to be the same item I sent, her money would be refunded.
As a side note, not only was the return not automatically approved as it had been in the past, but I had to create and upload a label because there was no longer a selection to have eBay issue a label and bill me for it. Is this yet another new hurdle??
PS: She's getting reported for everything under the sun: misusing the MBG, asking for something not in the listing (wooden buttons??), and making false claims about the item. I hope she has the sense to return the vintage set I sent and not the reproduction version she uploaded photographs of in the return...
Also, thanks to her any buyer making an offer or asking more than two questions gets blocked. Period.
I'm sorry this happened, as you sound like a very nice seller. You were warned it would. I'm surprised you shipped. She was setting you up for a SNAD from the get go with her repeated questions about being vintage. She was already prepared to do so, as you state she submitted a repop photo version in her return case. It only takes asking a question and receiving a valid answer once for something as simple as confirming vintage authenticity. Any pertinent questions should always be addressed prior to purchase. When a buyer asks me a question about something I already stated in my listing, they most often end up in my BBL. I can almost feel the set up due to the way they word their question. When you reach a certain number of transactions, you know when something isn't right with a potential buyer and follow your gut.
There were big bright red flags waving at you over 20 times which you chose to look past. You sadly spent a great deal of time on this buyer with only a loss to show for and potentially a fraudulent return. The moment I receive offer requests on items I don't accept this option, I check feedback and most often block. Like you said, I state in my listings not to submit offers and I figure if they feel they're above this request or simply didn't bother to read, there's the greatest potential for a problem.
Bear in mind that when someone shows you who they are, believe it! It will save you future headaches.
I didn't so much as choose to look past the red flags but rather didn't feel like getting penalized for something clearly out of my control. Anyone with eyes, 5th grade reading comprehension, and more than two brain cells holding hands could see this buyer was going to be a problem. Especially when every message has been textbook scamming buyer nonsense. But since we all know at best the CSRs may have two out of the three, I'd be lucky to survive their "help" without my account being suspended.
Sellers shouldn't have to take an OOS defect when it is the only valid reason for canceling an obvious problem transaction. In a perfect world when it got to the point of being a mess before I shipped, I could call eBay, have them read the 28 messages, and they would have done an administrative cancellation. Or they could read the now 34 messages, the reason for the return request, her asking for a discount after that, and the false negative she left after THAT (nearly 12 hours after she opened the case), and immediately poofed the feedback. And maybe tossed in a suspension for her. Oh well. I can dream, can't I?
I called about the feedback this morning. I have a concierge who said it was clearly eligible to be removed. But not with an open case. Which can't be closed since it was only opened yesterday. And must stay open until she fails to return it within their time frame. Or if she does return it and I refund, it will still qualify for removal.
Uh huh. I'll just hold my breath...
06-25-2019 07:27 PM
Sorry you ran into an extra bad one.
06-25-2019 08:14 PM
Joe, I for one, and I'm sure many others, have read your posts for years and know that you are of impeccable character. I know with certainty having never met you that you would not sell a knock-off as the real thing, and that means there's only one possibility of who is lying in this case-the buyer.
I hope her negative feedback was the end of it. Who cares about her neg with positive remarks. Holding onto your honor and MONEY is what is important here. No matter what the dress cost, it is your investment in yourself, decades of learning collectibles, that is priceless. I hate it when posters talk about us losing relatively small amounts of money to theft. It's the decades of investment and pride in our knowledge that is threatened.
Maybe she did get afraid after your remarks about mail fraud and will simply go away. One can hope for the best but expect the worst to not be let down should this go badly.
We're all rooting for you here.
06-25-2019 08:50 PM
@umie11752 wrote:
Cancel it at her request, is what I have done in the past. Then block. Citing your previous dms should have been enough. You have intuition for a reason. Example: A couple weeks ago I was selling Newly Released Ultra Rare Lol Dolls for a great price. I had 4 of the one particular. Some chick from Russia kept messaging to ask was she getting the doll in the picture (there’s a lot of sellers selling fakes) so her first 3 messages were answered with lengthy explanations hoping to appease her. By the 5th one saying the same thing, I was like, I dont know how many more ways I can explain this to you. She had one more time. Sure enough few minutes later she replies with some off the wall heated message and I snap and cancel it. Now she’s furious cuz she realizes what happened. I told her next time she finds a good deal to shut up and accept it. Especially if the seller has Stellar Feedback. I have repeat customers who spend thousands with me. They dont do that because I sell fakes or give bad cs. Do yourself a favor and realize that when something starts as an issue with people it becomes a problem later. Cut ties and move on. That’s what I’d do.
They fake LOL dolls? Good grief
(I know there are fake lego minifigures coming out of China, and Starbucks mugs, but LOL?)
06-25-2019 08:58 PM
I can understand your pain. All you can do ,is your best and leave it at that. I treat people who are buying from me .Like I would like to be treated.
06-26-2019 06:12 AM - edited 06-26-2019 06:15 AM
<PS: I just noticed she left feedback: "Thank you. Nice love it." As a neg.>
<this morning I got this message: "Give me a discount an I'll be happy" (spelled in context).>
When she doesn't use the label in 5 days, call and get the return closed in your favor.
When the case closes in your favor, feedback is removed.
Me, I would be watching that clock with CSR on speed dial the minute her time was up LOL
Lucky you, concierge will make that easier than us lowly peons who have do deal with regular CS 🙂
06-26-2019 06:41 AM
@tellmemama wrote:PS: I just noticed she left feedback: "Thank you. Nice love it." As a neg.
Hi larious.
Classic! Hopefully her greed of wanting the vintage outfit, along with your mention of USPS being involved, will make this the end of a long horrible story. Group hug.
07-02-2019 06:37 AM - edited 07-02-2019 06:39 AM
Final update:
I know this is going to come as a shock, but my dissatisfied buyer did not return the "reproduction" item within the 5 business days. So I called this morning and got the case closed in my favor. The stupid positive negative went poof too. So except for being out the cost of the prepaid label (since for some reason eBay did not automatically provide one and it is too late to void now), it went pretty much as I expected it would. A big THANK YOU to everyone who hung in and offered advice and sympathy. Now this whole thing is a was but I won't be the least bit surprised if and when a "case on PAYPAL" shoe drops.
This, gentle readers, is why you must never ignore a gut feeling. It's never wrong.
PS: This must be the season for inefficient scammers. I had a buyer on another site buy an expensive ($1,200+) doll on layaway. I shipped after receiving her last payment and hadn't heard anything until she opened an INR case on PAYPAL. Two months after her item was delivered. With signature confirmation. Which showed her as the signatory on the USPS website...
I'm sure you can figure out what happened.
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07-02-2019 08:52 AM
@tellmemama wrote:Final update:
I know this is going to come as a shock, but my dissatisfied buyer did not return the "reproduction" item within the 5 business days. So I called this morning and got the case closed in my favor. The stupid positive negative went poof too. So except for being out the cost of the prepaid label (since for some reason eBay did not automatically provide one and it is too late to void now), it went pretty much as I expected it would. A big THANK YOU to everyone who hung in and offered advice and sympathy. Now this whole thing is a was but I won't be the least bit surprised if and when a "case on PAYPAL" shoe drops.
This, gentle readers, is why you must never ignore a gut feeling. It's never wrong.
PS: This must be the season for inefficient scammers. I had a buyer on another site buy an expensive ($1,200+) doll on layaway. I shipped after receiving her last payment and hadn't heard anything until she opened an INR case on PAYPAL. Two months after her item was delivered. With signature confirmation. Which showed her as the signatory on the USPS website...
I'm sure you can figure out what happened.
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1. You can be refunded for your label cost. It might be too late to void it, but, you can call eBay and they will put in a request to the PO to refund the money since the label was not used. This process can take a couple of weeks for the post office to confirm the label was never used, but when the do verify it, you will be refunded your money. If you did not purchase your label via eBay, you can request your refund directly through the Post. office.
2. Sounds like your buyer might have lost their MBG, but, eBay did not share that with you. Based on you writing: As a side note, not only was the return not automatically approved as it had been in the past, but I had to create and upload a label because there was no longer a selection to have eBay issue a label and bill me for it. Is this yet another new hurdle?? I would call customer service and ask about the MBG status of this buyer.
07-02-2019 09:08 AM
1. You can be refunded for your label cost. It might be too late to void it, but, you can call eBay and they will put in a request to the PO to refund the money since the label was not used. This process can take a couple of weeks for the post office to confirm the label was never used, but when the do verify it, you will be refunded your money. If you did not purchase your label via eBay, you can request your refund directly through the Post. office.
2. Sounds like your buyer might have lost their MBG, but, eBay did not share that with you. Based on you writing: As a side note, not only was the return not automatically approved as it had been in the past, but I had to create and upload a label because there was no longer a selection to have eBay issue a label and bill me for it. Is this yet another new hurdle?? I would call customer service and ask about the MBG status of this buyer.
Great advice which I will keep in mind should I go down this road again. Frankly it isn't worth wasting any more time on and it seems manually having to issue and upload my own label is something other sellers have experienced lately. Ultimately my being able to keep the money, knowing she will see her plan failed, and getting the undeserved negative feedback removed were the most important things.
Well worth the $3.09 if you ask me.
07-02-2019 09:19 AM - edited 07-02-2019 09:20 AM
I am willing to bet, "this" buyer has lost their MBG. eBay unfortunately does not disclose this information to its Sellers even when these Buyers open a case. Why is this buyer still allowed on this site to scam other Sellers, this is not this buyer's first rodeo?
What saved you from the switcharoo: When you told her: I will be opening the return package in the presence of postal staff.