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Ebay is ripping me off over a buyer's fraudulent return

I sold an item for a car - posted numerous photos, part numbers and info to help the buyer make an informed decision. "NO RETURNS ACCEPTED" was in the ad. Ebay attached their "vehicle application chart" to my item as well which confirmed the info I put in the ad.

 

Buyer paid $100 plus shipping on 4/13/21, I shipped the item using a label I purchased through ebay the next day. Item arrived at buyer's home on 4/16/21.

Buyer immediately filed a "not as advertised" claim stating item did not fit the vehicle advertised, the buyer claiming that the item did not fit his 2020 Jeep Cherokee.   I contacted the manufacturer and confirmed that yes the item WOULD fit that vehicle. So the item is very much exactly as advertised.

 

Since returns are NOT OK thru ebay when the buyer simply has remorse or made a mistake on his end,  clearly either the buyer

a) changed his mind on the item and filed a fraudulent claim of "not as advertised"

b) bought the wrong part number, found his mistake and filed a fraudulent claim of "not as advertised"

 

In either case it was not my fault.

 

I messaged the buyer back asking what the problem was, but got no reply.

 

Meanwhile ebay's automated **bleep** insisted that I needed to do a return so I contacted ebay "customer support" through chat and email. From there it went down hill.

 

Multiple emails later I was still nowhere so I got a callback setup. On the phone that csr said that what I needed to do was send a shipping label to the buyer so they could return the item. I should wait for the item, make sure it was as I shipped it and then call back to address the fraudulent activity and get my fees/shipping refunded.

 

SO I issued the return label and messaged the buyer to that effect.  The buyer returned the item. Hours from when the item was dropped at my door on 4/22/21, ebay's automated **bleep** advised me that the item had been delivered to my house and that I had until 4/26 to issue a full refund. But as I had discussed with the multiple ebay people, I only OKd a return of the $100 purchase price, not the shipping, so I reached out to ebay again by phone.

 

This time the CSR advised to let the system issue a return, which would happen automatically on 4/26/21....then she would file an appeal on my behalf on 4/27/21.  She said she could not do so until the system paid the refund. We even set up a date for her to call me back to discuss the outcome.  She also advised me to submitted a complaint against the buyer, which I did.

 

But then the automated **bleep** refunded the FULL AMOUNT to the buyer 3 days early on 4/23/21. And I got numerous emails from different ebay people basically all saying "sorry so sad have a nice day"

 

I figured I would wait for the CSR to call back on the 30th at 11am as she promised she would, figuring that the automatic stuff was generating the emails......

 

Well, that callback time came and went so I again and she never called.

 

I again got online and asked for a callback.

 

Got a call from a different CSR and I explained the whole deal again.

THAT CSR said that he agreed with me and would start an appeal and tha **bleep** would take 2-4 business days to hear back.

 

I also uploaded the manufacturer email once again thru the link the other CSR provided.

 

Now, just HOURS after talking to the most recent CSR who said it would take 2-4 business days on the appeal,  I have emails from multiple ebay csr people saying "sorry, so sad, bye bye" basically.

 

This is even after I have uploaded photos and the email from the manufacturer as proof that the buyer made a fraudulent claim into the record.

 

I can not tell from the emails if it is the "appeals department" contacting me through email or just the front line people responding to the latest document upload. Every time I reply asking for help it generates a new email from a new CSR with the same copy and paste information saying "sorry, bye".

 

To make matters worse, they just hit my paypal account for the sellers fees for the original sale, and TWO shipping charges (the charges TO the buyer and again FROM the buyer) are "pending"!!!

 

I will be out almost $70 in shipping and fees by the time this is all done, for a $100 item!

 

I have the item back, but why should I eat the seller fees, paypal fees and TWO shipping charges when the buyer clearly abused the "not as advertised/automatic authorized return for buyer protection" policy?

 

The buyer and ebay are ripping me off!

 

What can I do!?!?

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Ebay is ripping me off over a buyer's fraudulent return

As  you have already appealed and lost, not much I am afraid. Although when you say it was an appeal was it just through the robots at live chat, or the system to Appeal a decision?

 

https://www.ebay.com/help/selling/managing-returns-refunds/appeal-ebays-decision-return-missing-item...

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You can do nothing.  This is how it is when the buyer files a not as described case. No matter what evidence you have. No matter what proof you have. No matter what the circumstances ..... you will lose.  Sorry but that's just the way it is. 

 

Next time, save yourself time and frustration and just accept the return.  Pay the return shipping and go on with life. 

 

Good luck and stay safe.

China Girl - David Bowie
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"Next time, save yourself time and frustration and just accept the return. Pay the return shipping and go on with life"

 

LOL. There wont be a next time.

I am not  a professional seller looking to earn a living on ebay, where i can "write off" the loss.....as one of the ebay clowns actually had the gall to offer as "advice".

 

If I have something to sell I will stick with the local forums and craigslist where local meet/pay/pickup can happen.

 

Ironically i once considered ebay a much safer alternative to that scenario.

 

Silly me.

 

This isnt just a case of a pickpocket stealing $70 from me.

 

This is a case of a pickpocket being GIVEN $70 from me from ebay.

 

Lesson learned.

 

 

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Gotta-love-dogs --

The process went nothing like that link indicates it should.

 

In theory, the CSR had filed the appeal for me.  The option to do so NEVER showed up in my seller dashboard. No idea why.

 

At that link it says

 

Whenever we’re asked to step in and help with an issue, we do our best to come to the fairest decision. Sometimes, though, you might not agree with our decision, especially if there’s additional information you can provide for consideration.

When you make an appeal, we’ll review the case including any new information you provide, and come back to you with a final decision. We’ll normally get back to you within 48 hours, though occasionally it can take a little longer."

 

They never spent more than a few HOURS, and ignored the proof I provided.

 

The link goes on to say:

 

"You’ll need to provide new, additional information to back up your appeal. This can include things like:

  • Tracking details showing the buyer received the item before the case was closed.
  • Documents showing the item matches the listing description
  • Proof the buyer received a refund before the case was closed"

I provided all that. 

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What you are not getting is this: 

a seller can NOT win a INAD case. Period. I don't care if you list the item NO RETURNS, an INAD case allows the buyer a 100% refund. Doesn't matter what eBay says will/can happen or what you should do. You will never win an INAD case. 

Your ONLY action in the case of an INAD is to accept the return and refund the buyer in full after you receive whatever they send back.  Then block any bad buyers. That's it and that's all. Anything else will result in a ding on your account. 

There is NO such thing as no returns/no refunds. The MBG over rides anything you label your listing as, period.

 

This is a risk EVERY seller takes. One item listed or 1 million, doesn't matter.

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"what you are not getting"  -- why so discourteous? Maybe not intended but it comes across that way.

 

That all may very well be the case ---but  do you feel that is right, that buyerfraud allows them to pickpocket us with no recourse?

 

What sucks here is that as a seller I *COULD* have lied and said that I received a box with  junk in it and probably got at least some money back since the MBG does require a buyer to return the product.

 

But I didnt - and wouldn't - lie to save $70.

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"Anything else will result in a ding on your account. "

 

As for that, I could not care less at this point.

 

I wont ever sell on ebay again.   Potentialy every sale can end this way.

 

Ebay is being complicit with the buyers looking to steal......why wouldnt they.  Ebay keeps their fees, paypal keeps their fees, the shipping place keeps their fees.....only the idiots who try and sell on ebay are stuck holding the bag.

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When you leave feedback for a seller, it's supposed to be just about the sellers performance, not about a buyer ripping you off. The seller might not appreciate that feedback, I know I wouldn't.

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I believe the OP IS the seller.

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Madison- you said - "When you leave feedback for a seller, it's supposed to be just about the sellers performance, not about a buyer ripping you off. The seller might not appreciate that feedback, I know I wouldn't."          Who are you replying to?

 

 

But to comment --

 

I am the seller....and unfortunately as sellers we can no longer even have THAT tool....sellers cannot leave negative feedback for buyers.  Ebay told me that was because sellers were abusing that function. 

 

Ok, I get that.

 

 

But when sellers can not make public a bad buyer, we all have no idea who we are selling to. All buyers look "great!" because negative feedback is not allowed.

 

 

And buyers can post negative comments against sellers just fine.

 

 

How wrong is that?

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"I am not a professional seller looking to earn a living on ebay, where i can "write off" the loss"

 

Rule no. 1 on eBay:

If you can not afford to lose the item,

and the money sent for it,

DO NOT LIST IT.

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@soh.maryl wrote:

I believe the OP IS the seller.


I'm talking about some feedback the OP has left for a seller.

 

@soh.maryl 

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Madison- you said - "When you leave feedback for a seller, it's supposed to be just about the sellers performance, not about a buyer ripping you off. The seller might not appreciate that feedback, I know I wouldn't."          Who are you replying to?

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You.

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"I'm talking about some feedback the OP has left for a seller."

 

Wait -- what?  I haven't left negative feedback for anyone for a long time and if I do it is SOLELY because of a problem. In fact lately I do not leave much feedback at all since it is USELESSS.

 

If you are referring to a feedback lately where I mentioned that the seller restored my faith in humanity because of how good that transaction was, whats wrong with that?

 

Rather than trying to pick me apart here, please offer something useful that relates to the actual problem......BUYERS ripping off SELLERS.

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