02-04-2023 09:55 PM
When I look at ebay fees most are listed from 12.9% to around 15% but when I printed out my total sales for 2022 it shows that ebay selling costs were 32.6% plus more under "collected by ebay". How does that work? If I sold $15,000 in one year I would only get a little over $9,000 and that just doesn't seem right, and after that I have to pay taxes of about 35% for federal and state because I don't have any receipts of off set items from decades ago.
02-04-2023 10:02 PM
Yes, to do business on eBay, better mark up 30% for eBay fees, eBay has all sorts of fees for you to pay. not just one 12.5% transaction fee.
02-04-2023 10:26 PM - edited 02-04-2023 10:30 PM
What you may not have realized is that your fee level is charged on your buyer's entire payment, which includes selling price, shipping fees, and the sales tax eBay collects from the buyer and remits to the buyer's state government.
So if you sell a $100 item to a buyer in a state with 5% sales tax on goods AND services* and charge him $10 shipping, his payment will be $100+$10=$110x1.05 = $115.50.
And at the usual 12.9% fee that's $14.89.
Quite often sellers misunderstand and think they are being charged more than the advertised 12.9% because they don't grasp what the fees are based on.
The other misunderstanding is that it is Standard Practice in the financial industry for payment processors** to charge fees on that ENTIRE payment.
And has been for years. We got our first merchant credit card account (Chargex) back in the early 1980s and were paying fees to the processor (Moneris) for sales and sales taxes then. And when we started our auctions (at first mail later online) we also paid on the shipping charges that were part of the buyer's payment.
Processors do not make a difference what you are being paid for, only how much they are processing for you.
FWIW - these fees are tax deductible.
Between the more transparent MP billing and the recent lowering of the level at which the IRS wants 1099 forms issued to sellers, many small sellers are realizing for the first time their side hustle is really a fun hobby.
*Services include shipping. Some states will charge for services, others don't.
** Both Managed Payments and Paypal do this.
02-04-2023 10:52 PM
Selling costs include shipping labels, not just selling fees.
02-04-2023 11:09 PM
Well you did have a good year if you are paying 35% on your income!
That's the bracket for incomes over$215K annually.
And even there, you would pay only 10% on the first $10K, 12% on the next30%, and so on.
'https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/taxes/federal-income-tax-brackets
And of course, taxable income does not include your deductions like eBay fees, dependents, etc.
02-05-2023 12:00 AM
reallynicestamps did an excellent job explaining how the fees are applied. The only thing I would also add in is a lot of sellers fail to distinguish between what are true fees and the separation of "expenses". The eBay "selling costs" you are talking about include, I am assuming, more than just the fees. Shipping for example is an expense NOT a fee. And while store fees and PL fees are indeed fees they are seller chosen ones.
As for your taxes and receipts there are ways to establish a COGS for those items that you do not have a receipt for. You can either talk to your tax preparer, accountant or refer to the IRS publications on establishing value of an item.
02-05-2023 01:25 AM
The buyer paid for shipping. The seller buys the label with that part of his payment.
Even with "free" shipping, a marketing term which means only that the cost of shipping is part of the selling price.
Which is cheapest?
A $10 item with $5 shipping?
A $5 item with $10 shipping?
A $15 item with Free Shipping?
02-05-2023 05:02 AM
FINAL VALUE FEE and SELLING COSTS are two entirely different things.
Your FVF is, in most cases, 12.9% of the item price, shipping fee and state sales tax, if any.
Your selling costs, which can only be determined by you, are based on how much you paid for the item, any extraneous costs such as how much it costs you to maintain your business etc.
These are not both the same.
02-05-2023 05:12 AM
Which is a better way to sell an item?
02-05-2023 08:13 AM - edited 02-05-2023 08:15 AM
eBays “selling costs” percentage that OP is talking about includes shipping labels, because the total sales figure includes shipping paid by buyer.
02-05-2023 08:24 AM - edited 02-05-2023 08:26 AM
@vettenut2 wrote:When I look at ebay fees most are listed from 12.9% to around 15% but when I printed out my total sales for 2022 it shows that ebay selling costs were 32.6% plus more under "collected by ebay". How does that work? If I sold $15,000 in one year I would only get a little over $9,000 and that just doesn't seem right, and after that I have to pay taxes of about 35% for federal and state because I don't have any receipts of off set items from decades ago.
A percentage alone means nothing until you know what it is a percentage of.
eBay fees are 12.9% of the total amount the buyer pays. That is NOT the same thing thing as 12.9% of the selling price, and it is not the same thing as "selling costs" which I believe includes shipping labels as well as store subscriptions and optional fees.
When your report said the "selling costs" were 32.6%, what does "selling costs" include and what number was the 32.6% calculated against?
Here's the bigger question:
Why didn't you calculate the costs of selling on eBay BEFORE you started selling here?
02-05-2023 09:34 AM
Yep.
Since I rarely use labels, having an endless supply of stamps, my dotCOM fees were 13% the last time I looked and my dotCA(where I use Calculated Shipping) my fees were 19%.
By using mint older stamps, purchased at a steep discount, my shipping costs are well below even the discounted eBay labels.
02-05-2023 10:28 AM - edited 02-05-2023 10:30 AM
Whenever you pay for shipping out to your customer, this is not included in COGS but is a monthly expense. This expense of shipping to the customer is directly related to the sale of the product, so we include it in the Cost of Sales section and include it in the gross profit calculation, and it is NOT a selling fee.
You are combining Selling Costs (COGS) with Operating Expenses.....they are 2 separate costs...
just because ebay shows it that way in a chart/graphic, does not equate to a proper accounting method.....
in the sample you display, proper input (Schedule C for example)....the "Net Sales are $5864.82"
5864.62 is your "net"
from that top line number you deduct 'variable' expenses....
shipping (614.96), boxes, envelopes, etc....(your normal operating expenses)
this is generally accepted accounting method and the method recommended for your tax return.....
02-05-2023 10:33 AM
You do realize that the IRS has postponed for this year that lowering of the level at which the 1099 is required, right?
02-05-2023 10:36 AM
Offline - directly person to person