02-25-2019 09:37 AM
What would be a program to figure out my ebay/paypal figures for filing my taxes? Last year I just printed up everything and added up all the fees, shipping costs, cost of items, what I paid for expenses, what I made, and whatever else and it was a PIA and probably not exact. I see there are programs like microsoft office/excel, godaddy, quick books. I'm leaning towards microsoft office/excel because I've been job hunting (the status of my current job is uncertain, company may close) and many of the jobs I've seen require knowledge of microsoft office and or/excel. I'm not familiar with the program, but I've watched some youtube tutorials and it looks do-able for me. I've been online for years so finding my way around a computer is not new to me.
Anyhoo, what do you all use? Suggestions? Which is the least expensive option? I'm guessing I would only use this for my ebay business, but perhaps after using I may find other uses for programs like these.
02-25-2019 10:25 AM
@natalie*rose*designs wrote:Anyhoo, what do you all use? Suggestions? Which is the least expensive option?
For a beginner, OpenOffice is just as capable as Microsoft Office and is entirely free.
I do my annual taxes using nothing but a PayPal activity export and the OpenOffice spreadsheet. It takes me about four hours a year.
02-25-2019 12:11 PM
What @luckythewinner said!
I have Excel an old computer but not on the other ones, so I use Open Office "Calculate". It is set up pretty close to the way Excel runs and one can't beet the free price. So learning Calculate should put you in good stead if you have to switch to Excel.
I assuming you are a small seller without tens of transactions each day? When you get that big there maybe commercial software that can help. Just remember one needs to spot check the software to make sure imports, calcs, etc are being done correctly!
Learning how a spreadsheet works and setting up the spreadsheet is the hardest part. However, once you get it set up, it is easy to maintain and a breeze to "collect" the information off of the spreadsheet! Just don't forget to save it after every transaction or use! Rookie mistake is entering a bunch of info and then getting distracted and closing the program and all changes/entered data is lost! So watch for that!
BUT for it to work well, you need to set it up and use it ALL year and update it with every transaction, not just put numbers in at the end of the year!
An easy set up for a spreadsheet might have columns that are:
To the right of that the sheet can calculate gross profit for the transaction. and one can add columns that show the Cost of Goods Sold, COGS (price paid for item, fees, shipping). Finally I keep a running total of the fees due eBay as a check on the monthly invoice to make sure there isn't a slip up there!
First I can see the "gross profit" of each transaction. This is helpful as one can quickly see that on low priced items they earned say $5. Since it takes at least an hour to photograph, list, price, source and package items one can quickly see determine if they want to work for $5/hr?
Then at the bottom of the columns one adds up the total for the column. This way one can check the the total sales versus eBay's figures and over all gross profits for the year as well as %s or COGS, % spent on Shipping etc.
THEN one needs a separate tab or SS that is a journal of business expenses (what was paid for bubble wrap, boxes, washi tape, shipping tape, labels, photographic equipment). Any time money is spent on the "business" note the date, item, price with shipping and keep a receipt or copy. In fact, I often drive my packages to the PO, FedEx or UPS Store to get them scanned and keep a record of those trips and the mileage and use the IRS allowed 58-cents per mile as a business expense!
Keeping this information and going/updated each week is a lot easier than trying to find receipts later and enter all of that info in one BIG effort. I close out every sale after shipping by going into my spreadsheets and updating them. Takes 5-10 minutes and saves a HUGE amount of time come tax time.
Finally one can create a "mini" Income Statement from the data by linking to the spreadsheets or tabs:
Sales
-COGS
-Transport
Operating Profit
-Overhead/Business Expenses
= Net Income
You are taxed on the Net Income so this is what you want. Plus you you can take the info from here and add it directly to the Schedule C. But also it helps remind you to keep track of EVERY business expense!
Hope this helps!
02-25-2019 03:55 PM - edited 02-25-2019 03:57 PM
@no_zero369 wrote:
- Let the sheet calculate: eBay fees & PP fees since those are known formulas
I could not possible calculate my eBay fees or paypal fees by formula based on the transaction.
1 - eBay fees can vary by category.
2 - eBay fees can increase by 4% if you fall below standard or exceed return thresholds.
3 - eBay final value fees on international shipping have nothing to do with how much the buyer paid.
4 - PayPal fees on international transactions have a different rate.
5 - you need to account for partial refunds and cancellations.
I would never - ever - advise anyone to "estimate" the fees that they will deduct on their tax return.
Your total eBay fees for the year can be found by adding up the 12 monthly invoices you paid that year.
And your total paypal fees can be found by exporting your yearly activity to a spreadsheet and totaling one column.
02-25-2019 04:41 PM - edited 02-25-2019 04:46 PM
@luckythewinner wrote:
@no_zero369 wrote:
- Let the sheet calculate: eBay fees & PP fees since those are known formulas
I could not possible calculate my eBay fees or paypal fees by formula based on the transaction.
Hmmm, sorry to hear that! Seems like there should be a way to do that by various methods! Need some help?
1 - eBay fees can vary by category. ibid
2 - eBay fees can increase by 4% if you fall below standard or exceed return thresholds. OP is PT seller, and changing the fee or adding on teh 4% should be straight forward?
3 - eBay final value fees on international shipping have nothing to do with how much the buyer paid. So split it out sepearately!
4 - PayPal fees on international transactions have a different rate. Is OP shipping internationally?
5 - you need to account for partial refunds and cancellations. Wouldn't that be a business expense?
I would never - ever - advise anyone to "estimate" the fees that they will deduct on their tax return.Please show me where I said "estimate" !
Your total eBay fees for the year can be found by adding up the 12 monthly invoices you paid that year.
And your total paypal fees can be found by exporting your yearly activity to a spreadsheet and totaling one column.
But oh, come one now! You picked the most complex and intricate items as cold water to throw on the advice given? Seriously? Me thinks the OP is a small seller, part-time and limited in scope as to the number of categories and as such should be dissuaded from calculating them herself!
But like I said the calculations one does on a spread sheet should be a good check on what eBay charges.
I am sorry if my reply offended you, but I don't see how complicating issues and discouraging a new seller is a useful post?
I'm just saying!
02-25-2019 05:00 PM
I use Microsoft Access. I have my own database on my computer built using Microsoft Access where I have all my business records. I print my reports and balance them with the Ebay and PP appropriate reports. Then feed it into the various tax forms using TurboTax or similar program each year.
It works well for me and the Tax programs are not expensive but at least they keep up with all the ever changing tax laws so I don't have to. Nor do I have to pay $200+ for a CPA to do my taxes.
It has served me well to do this every year for as long as I've been selling on the internet.
02-25-2019 05:06 PM - edited 02-25-2019 05:08 PM
@no_zero369 wrote:But oh, come one now! You picked the most complex and intricate items as cold water to throw on the advice given? Seriously? Me thinks the OP is a small seller, part-time and limited in scope as to the number of categories and as such should be dissuaded from calculating them herself!
I was not "picking the most complex and intricate items as cold water to throw on the advice given". The OP does sell internationally, so I was basing my advice on what the OP currently does.
I was simply pointing out that international sales have different formulas, and that there is a much easier way to get the exact numbers rather than trying to reproduce all the nuances of eBay's calculations.
And yes, partial refunds can be deducted as an expense - but a partial refund to a buyer also results in a partial refund of PayPal fees to the seller ... and that refund of fees to the seller must be added back in as an offset to the original fee deduction. Rather than trying to duplicate that calculation, why not just get the actual numbers from PayPal and eliminate the change of an error (especially by someone who admits they do not know how to use a spreadheet yet)?
In turn ... I am sorry if my reply offended you. But I don't see why pointing out a better way to get the correct fee totals that PayPal and eBay have already calculated for you is "discouraging a new seller".
02-25-2019 05:40 PM
I think we have different philosophies!
I think it makes sense to calculate ones own numbers so they know where they stand. As such one can use their numbers to "check" the calculations that eBay provides in its monthly bills. To me that just makes sense! Have seen enough programing glitches and other anomalies around here that, for me, I'd trust my numbers first and not just take a vendors numbers at face value!
But hey, everyone is welcome to operate their business how they wish. Me? I trust but verify.
I'm just saying....
02-25-2019 08:46 PM
Ok I downloaded open office, imported the file from paypal into it, but I tried arranging the columns into what I took in and what I paid out in fees, (shipping fees are on sheet of paper, haven't added them up) but I can't figure out how to total them or even if they're arranged correctly. Omg, I have a lot of learning to do!
I'll give it another go in the morning, I'm having back trouble and have to get out of this chair for now. Thanks for the replies.
02-25-2019 11:16 PM
I'm old school and I am an accountant by trade. I keep all my own records all year long. I don't do the year end scrabble to create an entire year of my books. I use the Ebay and PP reports to BALANCE to. It's a cross check so I can see if I missed something or there is some other problem I need to work through.
I sell on more than one site as well, so I recap everything for all my sales on an Excel worksheet.
02-26-2019 04:56 AM - edited 02-26-2019 04:58 AM
@no_zero369 wrote:I think we have different philosophies!
I think it makes sense to calculate ones own numbers so they know where they stand. As such one can use their numbers to "check" the calculations that eBay provides in its monthly bills. To me that just makes sense! Have seen enough programing glitches and other anomalies around here that, for me, I'd trust my numbers first and not just take a vendors numbers at face value!
Not just different philosophies - a different understanding of what the OP asked for.
The OP asked an enexpensive and easy way to prepare for taxes. You are now talking about building a spreadsheet that recreates the complex fee structures of both eBay and PayPal in a spreadsheet in order to verify the accuracy of their billing.
You are solving a problem the OP did not even ask about.
02-26-2019 05:29 AM - edited 02-26-2019 05:34 AM
@natalie*rose*designs wrote:Ok I downloaded open office, imported the file from paypal into it, but I tried arranging the columns into what I took in and what I paid out in fees, (shipping fees are on sheet of paper, haven't added them up) but I can't figure out how to total them or even if they're arranged correctly. Omg, I have a lot of learning to do!
I'll give it another go in the morning, I'm having back trouble and have to get out of this chair for now. Thanks for the replies.
Here's what I do:
The problem you are running into is probably that the dollar values are text rather than numbers. You fix this by highlighting the column, and then choosing Data > Text To Columns > OK. This will covert it to a number, so that your SUM() will work.
Also - when I say "Move", I mean CUT and PASTE so that the rows no longer appear on the initial sheet. You'll understand why I suggest this later on.
Once you have moved all your sales, you can deal with shipping:
Lastly, you can deal with eBay fees:
If you have moved the rows rather than copying them, you will see that your original activity sheet still contains a bunch of "leftover" rows. You can then look through these and see if there are any strays without worrrying about duplicating them.
A few notes abotu "leftover" rows:
If you have any "Account Hold for Open Authorization" rows, there will be a corresponding "Reversal of General Account Hold" that negates it. (If they do not match up exactly, it's probably because one half of the pair fell outside yourt date range. No biggie.) I just delete these.
Also included among the leftovers may be some currency conversion accounting; anything you bought using PayPal; eBay Bucks you used (Type is "General Incentive/Certificate Redemption"); and any deposits or withdrawals you made. I use this list to doublecheck for any supplies that I bought with PayPal that I forgot to include in my expense accounting.
This is how I do my taxes at the end of the year. It takes about four hours a year, because I have a PayPal account that I use almost exclusively for my eBay business. Obviously this assume that I take all my money by PayPal, and pay all my shipping and fees with PayPal. The only drawback is that it does not account for cost of goods sold, which I track manually in a spreadsheet.