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Let me see if I can get all these new changes straight. Just for review, in the last six months or so sellers here have seen:

 

1. Guaranteed delivery take a bite out of our sales because customers cannot (not without a lot of trouble and hassle) purchase multiple items and get combined shipping. We join the program in good faith, and we lose money.

 

2. A 10% decrease in our discount for being a top rated seller plus--without ANY reason, trade-off, or apology given.

 

3. Loss of placement in the search, and our items basically hidden because we won't get on board with the "free" returns nonsense.

 

4. Threats to RAISE our final value fees, if our returns increase over a "certain" percentage--based upon whatever eBay deems as excessive--and we have NO idea what those numbers or standards will be based upon. 

 

5.  Changes to the feedback system, in our listing abilities, and countless other "NEW" and "improved" systems, that in reality--cost us more time, effort, and frustration. Useless and pointless changes--like the new shipping page--why? It is clunky, takes longer, and I have to scroll to do every single shipment--again, why?

 

6.  Randomly being charged final value fees for TALKING to someone in a message, then pulling a listing--with the implied reason being that we took the sale off-eBay, even if we are totally innocent. Even if we have been here 20 years, and have NEVER had an issue.

 

7. Harassing letters from eBay, restrictions, and threats to our account--for a buyer sending US their phone number or contact information, even if we expressly told them that we couldn't accept it--and then facing #6.

 

8.  Increases in postage that are so out of whack with the economy--it should be criminal. Padded flat rates went up over a dollar in only two years? And eBay refuses to negotiate a better deal for sellers here.

 

9. LOSS of transparency--for example, being able to see our views on our listings.

 

10. Increased invasion into our "personal" space, i.e. our stores that we pay fees on. With other sellers listings taking over our space, and even pushing our descriptions down BELOW other seller's listings. 

 

11. Intrusion in our promotions--for example, I offered buy two get one free in my store, and (I was doing this from someone else's account just to see what it looked like) after I agreed to purchase one item, a box popped up with ANOTHER seller's items in it that were recommended--how in the world does this make sense? I was confused and I KNEW what was happening--totally disgraceful. And I don't even understand what the purpose of this was--was it to slow my sales? Was it to coerce the buyer to spend more? Was it just a stupid move by eBay that wasn't very well thought out? 

 

12.  Threats for having "contact" after a sale with a buyer. Does eBay not realize that there are ALL kinds of reasons for a buyer to contact a seller--not necessarily bad ones--in fact, with the "return this item" button staring them in the face--why would they even bother to contact us first? By keeping these parameters vague, eBay retains the right to boot anyone for their so-called violation of this mystical and unknown to anyone BUT eBay, magical number of "too much" contact. Absurd.

 

13. An increasingly hostile environment, where sellers cannot defend themselves against even the most in-your-face, out and out, theft. Where the seller's word is dirt--no matter if they have been spotless for 20 years--a ZERO feedback buyer wins. Only serving to attract the bottom feeders, and completely ignoring the fact that eBay SELLERS ARE BUYERS TOO--and usually GOOD ones. Absolutely horrendous. 

 

14.  Now not allowing sellers to use the promotions tool in the manner that it was SOLD to us when we purchased our stores--now having to wait 14 days to put an item on sale--absolutely disastrous for sellers, and this will only serve to shrink our already slow sales down to a trickle.

 

15. Continued support of foreign sellers over American sellers here--by allowing rule infractions, multiple postings, return scams, and preferential placement in the search.

 

16. A continued lack of respect for the small sellers--the ones who built this company--the ones who have bent over backwards to follow the rules, to treat the buyers with respect, and the ones who made eBay what it is today. To turn a cold shoulder to those sellers is beyond reprehensible, and truly shows what eBay has become. A greedy, corporate machine--with an agenda that benefits no one but whoever the "chosen" ones are--and small sellers, we ain't the ones.  Not anymore--not after they wrenched from us all they could--now they are on to bigger and better. And if they can't steal the last couple of pennies from our hands, then we aren't of any use to them anymore.

 

I am sure I am forgetting some things--it truly has become a nightmare around here. I would have never believed you if you had told me that this is what eBay would become. I used to get on these boards and BLAST anyone who dared to disrespect this site--anyone who had a complaint. I would tell them that they were absurd--oh yes, I was a cheerleader for sure--and if anyone mentioned treating a buyer badly, God help you when I got through with you. I was so grateful to have eBay--because it truly changed my life. And throughout all the changes I have seen, up until now--I have still maintained that eBay was the best thing going. All the unique and awesome items--and all the great sellers with their personalities and chatty little messages. I know that I am not alone--I know that the personal service eBay used to provide to customers meant a lot to some of them. Sure, there are people that have no time for that--but that's what AZ was for--unpersonalized buying. Here--it was just a bonus for some--nice to have the option, at least. 

 

Sellers--they have taken everything we have to give, and to keep us living in fear, on this hamster wheel of stress that they have created is beyond horrendous--it is shameful. And eBay, you really ought to be ashamed. You grew on the backs of every small seller here, what you are today you could have never accomplished without the small US sellers. And I know it is the "new" way right now to disrespect, use, abuse, and cheat your employees--I see this all over America right now--and that is partly the reason why the economy is in such a state, and also partly the reason why America is failing. eBay do you really want to add to the problem?

 

You have an opportunity to set an example--you have an opportunity to bring about some change. Instead of rolling with the pack of wolves that are devouring the middle class, instead of taking advantage, instead of promoting overseas business ahead of American interests--you could rise above this and come out like a hero. If you changed your plan to decimate your small American sellers, and instead embraced your roots and promoted your struggle--YOUR struggle eBay--the struggle you have faced dealing with other companies who have overrun you (but maybe only temporarily--can't you SEE that), and if you cornered your niche--and were HAPPY about having that niche--you could still win. If you promoted your US sellers and THEIR struggles, if you put yourself behind us and let the public know that you have some kind of morals and loyalty--regardless of what your THINK TANK thinks--people DO still care about stuff like that--can't you see how powerful an advertising campaign based around that could be?

 

But in any case, you won't win this way. What you are doing right now is the wrong way--and I don't care how many savvy millennials or millionaire executives you have telling you differently--they are wrong. You will not win here, not this way. You see, the difference between you and the others is that your company was built with a LOT of help. By sellers who have stuck with you through all the hard times, and who have stayed loyal. Not only is it morally reprehensible to turn out those sellers, but it also, in the long run--makes you look even LESS reliable and aimless. Honestly, your company looks like a clueless follower--like you don't have any idea of where you are going or what you are doing. Just looking for the latest trend, and hopping on board whatever looks attractive in the now. Where is the forward thinking? Does no one up at HQ give a thought to what this treatment of your long time sellers is doing to your reputation? Do you honestly think that you can just scrap the old and begin anew? Without thought or care to the many, many Americans (many disabled, veterans, single moms, college students, side-hustle middle class) that you are harming? How about an ad campaign based upon those types of sellers? Can you say tear-jerker? You are going to lose millions of buyers. Has anyone really thought that through?

 

What you are counting on is that the American public will continue to turn a blind eye--that they continue to allow politicians, businesses, and the government to take advantage of their good nature. That they will simply be distracted and not notice the unfairness and inequality that surrounds them every day. That they will continue to allow themselves to be thrown under the bus for the 1%, for corporate interests, and that getting a little shiny thing for cheap will continue to appeal. But we are not the proverbial frog in the pot--and a revolution is on the horizon. How long do you think people will watch as their children go jobless--paying off inflated student loans, with no hope of a bright future? How long do you think people will continue to become poorer and poorer, with no reliable health insurance, no raises, and no money in savings? While the rich just continue to take and get richer.  A change is coming--you can bet on it. And you could be at the cutting edge of that change, instead of trying to ride the "**bleep** America" bus all the way to golden parachute land. Think about it eBay--please think about it. You have a lot of people's lives in your hands. And before you make these sweeping decisions and changes all the time--can't you even contemplate for one second, how to use your power for good? For America, and for the small sellers that have had your back all these years? Can't you find it in your heart to at least give us a fair chance? If you can't, then I say to you--best of luck, because you are going to need it.  Already the on-line buzz is that eBay is making terrible choices--and NO one wants to support a company that appears to be ignorant and that has NO identity--no matter how cheap the trinkets (and that cheap trinket bus is losing its appeal for buyers--please someone up there LOOK at the data). Just because you allow millions more sellers of garbage on here, doesn't mean that garbage is becoming more popular. Social media will be filled with stories of how sellers are being scammed here, and when their losses become too large, then the last of the hangers-on won't be here anymore either--at least, not the small American ones.

 

So in closing I say to you, sellers--the time is NOW to make yourselves heard--before eBay completely destroys this site that WE have built. For them to be so incredibly arrogant, and so delusional--to think that they don't owe their sellers here any more than this--how dare they? How dare they threaten, coerce, steal, undermine, harass, and devalue us? Write, call, post, use Social Media--anything you can do to make them HEAR us--because they obviously think that we have no voice, and that we will simply accept any garbage that they ask us to swallow.  But we will NOT.  At least, I will not. And if I have to surrender my account to say so--then so be it--change requires sacrifice.

 

And to you, eBay execs--I implore you to think things through here--because this really is the end--for so many of us. You have pushed the sellers here to the point where the stress, disrespect, and constant fleecing of us, has reached the critical stage. You have stripped us of our pride--both in our work, and in YOU. You have taken any kind of independence and control of our businesses away from us, and you have restricted our abilities to sell, by binding them to your ever evolving, and increasingly harmful agenda. Forcing us to bend, over and over again to your will, and forever setting the bar higher and adding hoop after hoop for us to jump through. For many of us--to continue down this path of degradation with you, and to continue to allow ourselves to be debased, and treated like simpletons that require a firm hand and a leash--is an exercise in self abuse that we cannot tolerate anymore--and we simply cannot, in good conscious, continue to support a company that obviously does not have our best interests at heart--nor even in mind.

 

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8. I did not mean to imply that the only type of postage I am concerned about are the flat rates, although I use those a lot and the rate that they have been increasing at is truly disgusting. How can eBay not be able to negotiate a better deal? Other, smaller on-line sites have done it--making the postage not only cheaper, or if not cheaper--MUCH more simplified. Mypersonal feeling is that their greed for those extra pennies keeps them from truly trying to help us ship any cheaper.

Several possibilities:

A. eBay doesn't bother to negotiate and simply records the carrier (may as well throw all of them in the barrel) price increases and passes that on to Sellers.

B. eBay has a very poor negotiating team

C. China sure go a sweetheart deal

D. ebay actually HAS negotiated better shipping deals but that savings is not being passed on to Sellers

 

 

Aaagh--I was never any good at multiple choice......can I pick E--all of the above? 

 

Honestly, about the "after sale communication" my first thought was that they were suspicious about buyers wanting to take a sale off-site. In any case, it is micro-managing at its worst, and I don't see how they can possibly tell a "good" message from a "bad" message. In reality, it is the added stress--of not knowing if you are even doing something wrong, and something as benign as sending a "thank you" message could serve to count against you. I don't like it--not at all.

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you do realize that in terms of goods sold eBay is having their best year. Buyers are responding.

 

eBay needs to get sellers on board. Those that refuse or are chosing to be difficult about it aren't needed, so they're being pushed aside. 

 

you don't like the changes and want the old way back? Aint gonna happen. Adapt or die. 

 

That's the reality. Bellyaching on a chat board won't get eBay to change what's working.

 

It may sound harsh, but it's the truth.



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It will be interesting to see if Mr. Marketing Kup provides any definitive answers to the Community which I think is scheduled for today. If I had the time, I keep sayng to myself I should go through all threads and make a list of what seller questions to the Blues have never been answered except for "will check on it and get back to this thread." I never see the get back. I, too, have never received a survey on what I think, although right now I am probably the very lower end of being a small hobby seller. Thank you for your posts to retrose who knows from experience how to successfully navigate through this system. 

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question. 

 

Do you really believe that Radio Shack would be a profitable compnay had they stayed the same selling parts for ham radios?



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A boycott is useless.  ebay will listen to a few hundreds or even thousands out of millions of worldwide sellers?  No way.

 

Your best bet is to provide competition.  Gather your most trustworthy sellers and form your own gated website selling platform like a farmers' cooperative and do what you say:

-only vintage and authentic allowed

-safe for both buyers AND  sellers

-charge a buyer & seller yearly membership to keep the platform safe for everyone

-no cheap chinese junk allowed

 

Ebay only became famous because of the spread all over the media of the "Pierre auctioning off his girlfriend's Pez dispensers" story.  Get a few news articles off to the media of your website and it will grow.

 

Personally I don't see the point of continuing to complain.  Ever since 2008, it's gotten worse policy-wise for sellers.  I think 2014 was when the loudest shrieking was heard from sellers regarding scam returns.  Well, it's 2018 now.  Which do you think is more PRODUCTIVE--starting up a new platform in 2014 and gathering up great buyers and sellers so that by 2018 NOW the platform would be if not at its height, at least in its growth stages with an excellent name, say like POSHMARK (oh wow, where did I hear that catchy name??)........OR..... continuing to complain to an unresponsive ebay????  

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Wow - just how I feel!  Could not have said it better.  Thank you!

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you do realize that in terms of goods sold eBay is having their best year. Buyers are responding.

 eBay needs to get sellers on board. Those that refuse or are chosing to be difficult about it aren't needed, so they're being pushed aside. 

 you don't like the changes and want the old way back? Aint gonna happen. Adapt or die. 

 That's the reality. Bellyaching on a chat board won't get eBay to change what's working.

 It may sound harsh, but it's the truth.

 

Oh boy, here we go with the fact presenters--do you even know the variables for the facts you are quoting?  Or did you just pull those so-called "facts" off of some webpage somewhere? Goods from where? And how exactly are buyers responding? And furthermore, what is rate of scam/returns/and costs to the sellers here, from all that "response" from the buyers. Here is something you need to face--you know nothing more than anyone else here. Period. 

 

You have no business speaking for eBay, last I knew, jason_incognito wasn't working for eBay . You have no idea who is being pushed aside or why, and you really have no idea whether or not sellers need to "adapt or die." In truth, you have nothing but speculation, just like the rest of us. So please spare me, your "harsh truth."  I would rather get my advice from an eBay customer service rep. 

 
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Thank you for summing up a great host of ideas that continue to drag this site down.Your post is one of the best Ive ever seen on here in a long time.As I read your opinions on the abuse and arrogance that many sellers face- you must know that many countless sellers and some buyers would instantly agree witth you.We have been here almost 18 years, Mostly  as buyer and a small time seller.Ive seen the view from both sides of the fence.Im disapointed of what ebay has become. Once a great place to buy and sell and find that hard to find auto part or rare concert poster signed by your favorate artist.

 Each one of us has a different ways of protesting the Corporate greed that has infested this site. I choose to run a minimum amount of auctions until my stock is  depleated.I have no plans of selling anymore.We may buy a few items here and there but you can go to the "River" or simply take a drive to a retailer if you choose.As you stated before, If enough sellers and buyers slow down or avoid ebay it will eventually will show up on the bottom line. If you want the folks in the board room to "HEAR you must change your priorities here if you can.Those who continue to be good soldiers are the ones who will be attacked the most.They can invite all the new buyers they want but it will not- over time replace the hard working sellers.Its no suprise the new policies invite some bad apples who are not here so much to buy, but to test the waters to see if they can " rent" then return -  on the backs of the sellers.Ebay looses nothing, makes money- keeps going.What a business model.I miss the old days of ebay. No one was listening when many of us shouted "Dont fix it if its not broke"

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@mr_lincoln

 

It will be interesting to see if Mr. Marketing Kup provides any definitive answers to the Community which I think is scheduled for today. If I had the time, I keep sayng to myself I should go through all threads and make a list of what seller questions to the Blues have never been answered except for "will check on it and get back to this thread." I never see the get back. I, too, have never received a survey on what I think, although right now I am probably the very lower end of being a small hobby seller. Thank you for your posts to retrose who knows from experience how to successfully navigate through this system. 


There are over 25 MILLION registered Selling IDs ... there are over 160 MILLION registered Buying accounts ... of all the surveys mentioned or you asked and we replied type subjects, changes, etc. i have yet to see any numbers of exactly what % of the total membership was contacted ... probably because that info was never given to members here nor anywhere else.

I roll this kind of thing in with the potential increase in sales %s that have been bantied about for Free Shipping (11% increase), Free Returns (15% increase) and Guaranteed Delivery (6.7%) totalling a whopping 32.7 % ... I call those types of claims "sales blather" ... great statements but no facts to support them. 

I have dabbled in 2 of the 3 but Guaranteed Delivery in my opinion is still a bad one because in time the loss from packages not making it on time will shift to the Seller ... spring 2019 would be my guess.

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We 100% agree with you. eBay has turned its back on us and going to continue to plummet and lose sellers as well as buyers.
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OP forgot forced best offer and the new "SEE MORE DETAILS" button to see the rest of the listing. And disallowing cross promotion code, so you have to use promotions to cross promote, then they moved the gallery of your cross promoted listings to the bottom where multiple buyers will buy more than one item and pay separately because they didn't even see the promotion deal.
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And the fact that sellers over the past week have had to reinvent their photo insertions for GTC listings as they were "lost", with ebay only saving the gallery picture once the glitch was fixed. And being told all was fixed and NOT... AND sellers were never notified unless another poster came to this Board to find out through other posters. Which means, buyers were not seeing photos and just moved on...There are probably a zillion other sellers out there that still don't know their pictures have disappeared. And not expecting any compensation from eBay.  

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And the fact that sellers over the past week have had to reinvent their photo insertions for GTC listings as they were "lost", with ebay only saving the gallery picture once the glitch was fixed. And being told all was fixed and NOT... AND sellers were never notified unless another poster came to this Board to find out through other posters. Which means, buyers were not seeing photos and just moved on...There are probably a zillion other sellers out there that still don't know their pictures have disappeared. And not expecting any compensation from eBay.  


I accidently Relisted an item GTC when I changed its format earlier this month, could NOT change it within minutes of going live - stuck with it ... other then that I have NEVER used GTC but then I am a smaller Seller and have always prefered Relisting when I want to Relist.

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Locked GTC is a new change too, removal of 14 day returns as an option for most categories was also a big change that removed seller's power.

However when eBay starts intermediating payments and wants your SS number and bank account #, they will have it all set up to tax tax tax.... this is the biggest reason I'm not motivated to sell like I used to.

They also changed global shipping top rated seller requirements to require 100 international transactions. Global shipping is dead, they don't ship to Canada or Austrailia, and UK VAT taxes are near 30%, they pay $50 for a $20 item.
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@mczombies wrote:

you do realize that in terms of goods sold eBay is having their best year. Buyers are responding.

 eBay needs to get sellers on board. Those that refuse or are chosing to be difficult about it aren't needed, so they're being pushed aside. 

 you don't like the changes and want the old way back? Aint gonna happen. Adapt or die. 

 That's the reality. Bellyaching on a chat board won't get eBay to change what's working.

 It may sound harsh, but it's the truth.

 

Oh boy, here we go with the fact presenters--do you even know the variables for the facts you are quoting?  Or did you just pull those so-called "facts" off of some webpage somewhere? Goods from where? And how exactly are buyers responding? And furthermore, what is rate of scam/returns/and costs to the sellers here, from all that "response" from the buyers. Here is something you need to face--you know nothing more than anyone else here. Period. 

 

You have no business speaking for eBay, last I knew, jason_incognito wasn't working for eBay . You have no idea who is being pushed aside or why, and you really have no idea whether or not sellers need to "adapt or die." In truth, you have nothing but speculation, just like the rest of us. So please spare me, your "harsh truth."  I would rather get my advice from an eBay customer service rep. 

 

Here is my "speculation"!  If eBay is doing so great in sales, would they have to offer NON-Store Sellers Free Listings Sales in the amount of 100, 200 and 500 in the past couple of months and the past years??? A great site wouldn't even have to offer those sales.  There would be people beating down the door to sell here!

Change the channel!
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