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Let me see if I can get all these new changes straight. Just for review, in the last six months or so sellers here have seen:

 

1. Guaranteed delivery take a bite out of our sales because customers cannot (not without a lot of trouble and hassle) purchase multiple items and get combined shipping. We join the program in good faith, and we lose money.

 

2. A 10% decrease in our discount for being a top rated seller plus--without ANY reason, trade-off, or apology given.

 

3. Loss of placement in the search, and our items basically hidden because we won't get on board with the "free" returns nonsense.

 

4. Threats to RAISE our final value fees, if our returns increase over a "certain" percentage--based upon whatever eBay deems as excessive--and we have NO idea what those numbers or standards will be based upon. 

 

5.  Changes to the feedback system, in our listing abilities, and countless other "NEW" and "improved" systems, that in reality--cost us more time, effort, and frustration. Useless and pointless changes--like the new shipping page--why? It is clunky, takes longer, and I have to scroll to do every single shipment--again, why?

 

6.  Randomly being charged final value fees for TALKING to someone in a message, then pulling a listing--with the implied reason being that we took the sale off-eBay, even if we are totally innocent. Even if we have been here 20 years, and have NEVER had an issue.

 

7. Harassing letters from eBay, restrictions, and threats to our account--for a buyer sending US their phone number or contact information, even if we expressly told them that we couldn't accept it--and then facing #6.

 

8.  Increases in postage that are so out of whack with the economy--it should be criminal. Padded flat rates went up over a dollar in only two years? And eBay refuses to negotiate a better deal for sellers here.

 

9. LOSS of transparency--for example, being able to see our views on our listings.

 

10. Increased invasion into our "personal" space, i.e. our stores that we pay fees on. With other sellers listings taking over our space, and even pushing our descriptions down BELOW other seller's listings. 

 

11. Intrusion in our promotions--for example, I offered buy two get one free in my store, and (I was doing this from someone else's account just to see what it looked like) after I agreed to purchase one item, a box popped up with ANOTHER seller's items in it that were recommended--how in the world does this make sense? I was confused and I KNEW what was happening--totally disgraceful. And I don't even understand what the purpose of this was--was it to slow my sales? Was it to coerce the buyer to spend more? Was it just a stupid move by eBay that wasn't very well thought out? 

 

12.  Threats for having "contact" after a sale with a buyer. Does eBay not realize that there are ALL kinds of reasons for a buyer to contact a seller--not necessarily bad ones--in fact, with the "return this item" button staring them in the face--why would they even bother to contact us first? By keeping these parameters vague, eBay retains the right to boot anyone for their so-called violation of this mystical and unknown to anyone BUT eBay, magical number of "too much" contact. Absurd.

 

13. An increasingly hostile environment, where sellers cannot defend themselves against even the most in-your-face, out and out, theft. Where the seller's word is dirt--no matter if they have been spotless for 20 years--a ZERO feedback buyer wins. Only serving to attract the bottom feeders, and completely ignoring the fact that eBay SELLERS ARE BUYERS TOO--and usually GOOD ones. Absolutely horrendous. 

 

14.  Now not allowing sellers to use the promotions tool in the manner that it was SOLD to us when we purchased our stores--now having to wait 14 days to put an item on sale--absolutely disastrous for sellers, and this will only serve to shrink our already slow sales down to a trickle.

 

15. Continued support of foreign sellers over American sellers here--by allowing rule infractions, multiple postings, return scams, and preferential placement in the search.

 

16. A continued lack of respect for the small sellers--the ones who built this company--the ones who have bent over backwards to follow the rules, to treat the buyers with respect, and the ones who made eBay what it is today. To turn a cold shoulder to those sellers is beyond reprehensible, and truly shows what eBay has become. A greedy, corporate machine--with an agenda that benefits no one but whoever the "chosen" ones are--and small sellers, we ain't the ones.  Not anymore--not after they wrenched from us all they could--now they are on to bigger and better. And if they can't steal the last couple of pennies from our hands, then we aren't of any use to them anymore.

 

I am sure I am forgetting some things--it truly has become a nightmare around here. I would have never believed you if you had told me that this is what eBay would become. I used to get on these boards and BLAST anyone who dared to disrespect this site--anyone who had a complaint. I would tell them that they were absurd--oh yes, I was a cheerleader for sure--and if anyone mentioned treating a buyer badly, God help you when I got through with you. I was so grateful to have eBay--because it truly changed my life. And throughout all the changes I have seen, up until now--I have still maintained that eBay was the best thing going. All the unique and awesome items--and all the great sellers with their personalities and chatty little messages. I know that I am not alone--I know that the personal service eBay used to provide to customers meant a lot to some of them. Sure, there are people that have no time for that--but that's what AZ was for--unpersonalized buying. Here--it was just a bonus for some--nice to have the option, at least. 

 

Sellers--they have taken everything we have to give, and to keep us living in fear, on this hamster wheel of stress that they have created is beyond horrendous--it is shameful. And eBay, you really ought to be ashamed. You grew on the backs of every small seller here, what you are today you could have never accomplished without the small US sellers. And I know it is the "new" way right now to disrespect, use, abuse, and cheat your employees--I see this all over America right now--and that is partly the reason why the economy is in such a state, and also partly the reason why America is failing. eBay do you really want to add to the problem?

 

You have an opportunity to set an example--you have an opportunity to bring about some change. Instead of rolling with the pack of wolves that are devouring the middle class, instead of taking advantage, instead of promoting overseas business ahead of American interests--you could rise above this and come out like a hero. If you changed your plan to decimate your small American sellers, and instead embraced your roots and promoted your struggle--YOUR struggle eBay--the struggle you have faced dealing with other companies who have overrun you (but maybe only temporarily--can't you SEE that), and if you cornered your niche--and were HAPPY about having that niche--you could still win. If you promoted your US sellers and THEIR struggles, if you put yourself behind us and let the public know that you have some kind of morals and loyalty--regardless of what your THINK TANK thinks--people DO still care about stuff like that--can't you see how powerful an advertising campaign based around that could be?

 

But in any case, you won't win this way. What you are doing right now is the wrong way--and I don't care how many savvy millennials or millionaire executives you have telling you differently--they are wrong. You will not win here, not this way. You see, the difference between you and the others is that your company was built with a LOT of help. By sellers who have stuck with you through all the hard times, and who have stayed loyal. Not only is it morally reprehensible to turn out those sellers, but it also, in the long run--makes you look even LESS reliable and aimless. Honestly, your company looks like a clueless follower--like you don't have any idea of where you are going or what you are doing. Just looking for the latest trend, and hopping on board whatever looks attractive in the now. Where is the forward thinking? Does no one up at HQ give a thought to what this treatment of your long time sellers is doing to your reputation? Do you honestly think that you can just scrap the old and begin anew? Without thought or care to the many, many Americans (many disabled, veterans, single moms, college students, side-hustle middle class) that you are harming? How about an ad campaign based upon those types of sellers? Can you say tear-jerker? You are going to lose millions of buyers. Has anyone really thought that through?

 

What you are counting on is that the American public will continue to turn a blind eye--that they continue to allow politicians, businesses, and the government to take advantage of their good nature. That they will simply be distracted and not notice the unfairness and inequality that surrounds them every day. That they will continue to allow themselves to be thrown under the bus for the 1%, for corporate interests, and that getting a little shiny thing for cheap will continue to appeal. But we are not the proverbial frog in the pot--and a revolution is on the horizon. How long do you think people will watch as their children go jobless--paying off inflated student loans, with no hope of a bright future? How long do you think people will continue to become poorer and poorer, with no reliable health insurance, no raises, and no money in savings? While the rich just continue to take and get richer.  A change is coming--you can bet on it. And you could be at the cutting edge of that change, instead of trying to ride the "**bleep** America" bus all the way to golden parachute land. Think about it eBay--please think about it. You have a lot of people's lives in your hands. And before you make these sweeping decisions and changes all the time--can't you even contemplate for one second, how to use your power for good? For America, and for the small sellers that have had your back all these years? Can't you find it in your heart to at least give us a fair chance? If you can't, then I say to you--best of luck, because you are going to need it.  Already the on-line buzz is that eBay is making terrible choices--and NO one wants to support a company that appears to be ignorant and that has NO identity--no matter how cheap the trinkets (and that cheap trinket bus is losing its appeal for buyers--please someone up there LOOK at the data). Just because you allow millions more sellers of garbage on here, doesn't mean that garbage is becoming more popular. Social media will be filled with stories of how sellers are being scammed here, and when their losses become too large, then the last of the hangers-on won't be here anymore either--at least, not the small American ones.

 

So in closing I say to you, sellers--the time is NOW to make yourselves heard--before eBay completely destroys this site that WE have built. For them to be so incredibly arrogant, and so delusional--to think that they don't owe their sellers here any more than this--how dare they? How dare they threaten, coerce, steal, undermine, harass, and devalue us? Write, call, post, use Social Media--anything you can do to make them HEAR us--because they obviously think that we have no voice, and that we will simply accept any garbage that they ask us to swallow.  But we will NOT.  At least, I will not. And if I have to surrender my account to say so--then so be it--change requires sacrifice.

 

And to you, eBay execs--I implore you to think things through here--because this really is the end--for so many of us. You have pushed the sellers here to the point where the stress, disrespect, and constant fleecing of us, has reached the critical stage. You have stripped us of our pride--both in our work, and in YOU. You have taken any kind of independence and control of our businesses away from us, and you have restricted our abilities to sell, by binding them to your ever evolving, and increasingly harmful agenda. Forcing us to bend, over and over again to your will, and forever setting the bar higher and adding hoop after hoop for us to jump through. For many of us--to continue down this path of degradation with you, and to continue to allow ourselves to be debased, and treated like simpletons that require a firm hand and a leash--is an exercise in self abuse that we cannot tolerate anymore--and we simply cannot, in good conscious, continue to support a company that obviously does not have our best interests at heart--nor even in mind.

 

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Were you around for the Great Seller Boycott of 2008? 

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Well said and written! Been here fifteen years and that pretty much sums up how I feel!

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Yes, I was--but I have mixed feelings about it. I honestly always felt it was in poor taste for sellers to leave negative feedback for buyers, unless it was truly warrented--like, for instance the buyer ripped them off, or cussed them out. Too many times I saw sellers leaving negatives for unpaid items--which is no fun, but also should just be taken in stride, I feel, by sellers. Fee increases--well, those also happen, and at the time everyone appeared to be doing pretty well--NOT like now.

 

Also, I am not sure if it made any difference or not--at least it got some press, I guess. However, I feel that right now the circumstances are very different. I feel like someone has gone on an insane power trip, and I also feel directly threatened and unwanted as a seller here. I just can't believe it, honestly--every day it is something new--some new change that is either harmful, threatening, or time wasting for sellers here.  Like I said, I've always been an eBay cheerleader, but this latest round of updates is simply an abuse of power by eBay. I would be on board for a boycott--this time, yes.

 

It seems they are doing everything they can think of to harm our sales, and yet at the same time--grab every single dime they can squeeze out of us. I'm just angry--I know my post isn't for everyone, and it is long--but I had to say it--they have gone too far.

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I have been here since 1999, and you have pretty much summed up my feelings on the less than intelligent changes eBay has made. 

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16. A continued lack of respect for the small sellers--the ones who built this company--the ones who have bent over backwards to follow the rules, to treat the buyers with respect, and the ones who made eBay what it is today. To turn a cold shoulder to those sellers is beyond reprehensible, and truly shows what eBay has become. A greedy, corporate machine--with an agenda that benefits no one but whoever the "chosen" ones are--and small sellers, we ain't the ones.  Not anymore--not after they wrenched from us all they could--now they are on to bigger and better. And if they can't steal the last couple of pennies from our hands, then we aren't of any use to them anymore.

 

This one really gets me.  Ebay seems intent on killing off the little guys.  What happens then? Do they really think they can go head to head with Amazon?  Or Alibaba?  Selling the same brand new phone or camera with a constant race to the lowest price possible.  It'll leave a big opening for another venue. 

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OP, that's a lot of reading, reading that ebay will not do.  Nor will they change to please the workers.

 

ebay is a business and all businesses exist to make money.  Business does not care about their users or customers, they care about the money they have and will give them in trade for something the business has and how to get that money from them.

 

Years ago, I recognized that the foundations ebay offers are made of quicksand, constantly changing and if I depend on them, my buisiness that I built on that foundation will sink when it shifts/changes/sinks.   I saw that ebay needed me and my merchandise when they started to fill the site with things that would lure buyers.....now that they have more than enough merchandise - it is the buyers they need and sellers are disposable.

 

So knowing that, I don't do anything ebay wants or reccomends - because I know it will benefit ebay first and maybe me later.  I don't use the new tools that ebay offers because there are always hidden strings attached to the OR they just don't work well.   I do what is good for me within the ever shifting policies ebay sets out.

 

I also know that once ebay makes an active decision, there is no fighting it and I adapt my business to survive on ebay.   But I do not jump through hoops, as that does nothing more than prove to ebay that I can be manipulated and give them information that they will use against me later.

 

I use ebay as ebay uses me - to make money.  Just as I use other sites better suited for other merchandise I am selling.  If sellers want to be treated better, then they have to make the choice to stop being the hoop jumping money making circus act ebay has turned them into and be their own business, and that business doesn't have to be exclusive to ebay in this day and age.

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I do believe ebay hears us.

They're just not listening...

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"I do believe ebay hears us.

They're just not listening..."

 

Not yet, they aren't. But if enough sellers make enough noise--there are other places to post our opinions on--and if sellers start searching out some other venues, and slow down on listing here for awhile--perhaps they will be forced to listen. 

 

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OP, You stated everything I`ve been thinking and I thank you! I`ve been here since `02 and every year that passes I`m a little more disappointed.
"There`s always barber college" - Dalton - Road House
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I have been here since 1997, yes I am that old! I woud like to just say that when eBay started, it was as a "platform" to bring buyers and sellers together. They did not get into the seller's business and in fact, every seller could list their own policies without interference. Then, I am sure, eBay began to get complaints and had to implement new guidelines and policies. After a while, they began to see sellers not as allies or as their customer (we are paying for a service) but as their employees. And I believe that is the rub.

 

As a small seller, I would like to be able to run my sales and discuss items with my customers but now eBay wants to use my labor, my items and  my sales solely for their own advantage regardless of what I think. They even add best offer to items "on my behalf" -- it's ridiculous and it makes buyers so angry when I decline. It's so different from the way it started! If another site came about that was just a platform, it would take off and make millions just as eBay did.

 

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You should repost this on the eBay.co.uk forum. Many sellers in the UK are feeling the same way.

At least this side of the water we have the news that all online market places are going to be regulated in Europe with issues such as changes with consultation, mysterious search engines and lack of collective representation/media or even a complaints system all being addressed. 

https://tamebay.com/2018/06/eu-regulation-on-promoting-fairness-and-transparency-for-marketplace-tra...

https://www.ecommerce-europe.eu/news-item/ecommerce-europe-met-meps-discuss-new-proposal-regulating-...

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:52018PC0238&qid=1527664608260

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I know of no other seller who could have put ebays monumental ill thought out & appalling "improvements" as well as you have done, if it is any consolation we in Europe are suffering the same lunacy.

 

Those sellers who sell stuffed to the rafters tat are allowed to flourish, it doesn´t matter if they give not a jot for service or quality, they appear to be able to brush off blossoming negative feedbacks with no worry regards ebay standing, yet we smaller seller live in fear of accumulating infringements which can have us removed from ebay without a moments notice.

 

Incidentally, ebay.com now hide 90% of our listings, they are deemed an irrelavance, only one of my 10 categories are shown to anyone logged into ebay.com, even repeat US buyers, & I have one who has bought 30 items off me over the last 6 years can no longer find my stock...yes, we can pay extra, but when repeat buyers believe you have closed your shop on ebay what hope is there for any of us. 

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@mczombies wrote:

"I do believe ebay hears us.

They're just not listening..."

 

Not yet, they aren't. But if enough sellers make enough noise--there are other places to post our opinions on--and if sellers start searching out some other venues, and slow down on listing here for awhile--perhaps they will be forced to listen. 

 


The sellers that become disapointed with ebay are the ones that trusted and believed in ebay.  If you put your faith in someone(thing) who is greedy and using you, it will never end well.  Most selers chose to participate in what ebay is pushing.

 

Sellers don't have to say a thing - they don't have to make noise to let ebay know what to do about their disastisfaction.  All they have to do is not do what ebay is pushing or start moving their business elsewhere.

 

Take a look at back in the day when Donahoe started disruptive innovation - and part of that was the first push toward free shipping.  ebay pushed it hard, offering perks of search boosts, and claiming that it was what buyers want, and it is so easy to roll the cost of shipping into the cost of the item,  it was industry standard and that soon, all sites will have it.  Many posters claimed that with the next update, ebay will make it mandatory.

 

Well many saw the free shipping push for what it was - a money grab for ebay that ebay hoped the selers would voluntarily sign up for.  About half didn't and stood their ground.  So a year later ebay implemented the 10% ship fee gouge and suddenly free shipping was no longer important to ebay anymore.  It wasn't needed since ebay was grabbing the extra fee hike from everyone, like they wanted.

 

If sellers would quit jumping through the hoops and falling for the offered perks that ebay offers and will soon take away once you are hooked, then ebay will show their true motives for the push.  And if sellers want ebay to treat them with respect, then they have to respect themselves and do what is good for them, not what ebay wants. 

 

Sellers need to realize that ebay is copying other sites because those sites have things that ebay wants.  And the sellers need to use that knowledge and act accordingly.

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Retrose--

 

No offense, but the attitude of, "eBay won't listen and eBay won't change" is exactly the belief that  I am protesting against. If you truly believe that you, me, and everyone else out there have no power--individually or collectively, then all I can tell you--is that I think you are wrong. History is filled with examples of people finally getting fed up, standing up for themselves, and getting what they want. There simply is no denying that fact. And there is no foreseeable reason why sellers can't force a change here--none at all.

 

I don't see how you can presume to know what eBay is going to do--and you certainly don't know what may cause the scales to tip--and what course of action sellers might take that could make a difference here. Because you aren't interested in talking about forcing a change--you are righteous and complacent to some degree, in the knowledge that you have protected yourself. Which is great, no doubt, but many sellers here have entrusted their livelihoods to eBay--based upon the belief that there was a mutual trust and respect. I am happy for you, that you were able to see through the false promises, and to think ahead enough to get yourself in a nice position. But the fact of the matter is that there are a lot of sellers here who are NOT set up so nicely. There are a lot of sellers here who are in VERY bad shape right now--and who are looking at bankruptcy, poverty, and devastation. And just because it doesn't affect you personally so much (right now, at least), I still don't understand how you can find the changes to this site tolerable. The new updates and changes reek of greed and arrogance, and they are a downright slap in the face for small sellers here. They create a hostile environment--not just between buyers and sellers, but between sellers and eBay--and it is unhealthy, for ALL of us--whether we have a "toe" in, or whether we are "all" in. 

 

The idea of my post was to drive sellers to do something, anything--to make themselves heard.  There is no argument here between you and I--and even though you are intent on driving home the point that YOU changed rather than expecting eBay to change--the fact of the matter is that we both agree that you were basically forced into those changes,  through the realization that you could not trust your trading partner--and you essentially made those changes by giving up on eBay, or at least, your belief that they had your best interests at heart.

 

You raise a good point.  And it is sound advice that you gave--absolutely valid and I agree 100%, that sellers should NOT be jumping through all these hoops, and running themselves ragged to keep up. And by that simple action (or non-action, if you want to call it that), you are making your voice heard as well. Not everyone needs to go scream at the top of their lungs--but by simply not participating--well, that sends a message as well.

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