10-26-2021 06:03 AM - edited 10-26-2021 06:07 AM
I am a longtime ebay user (under a different account), going back to 1999. I've been buying and selling here that whole time. I just bought an expensive piece of IT gear for our business yesterday from a seller who had 5 of them listed. It was paid for immediately, from my company credit card.
Last night I got a notice that the seller canceled the transaction:
We are sorry to let you know that XXXXXXXX cancelled your order and mentioned the cancelled reason as 'I'm out of stock or the item is damaged.'
This morning I looked at the auction, and the same item is still listed, 4 of them available, but now for $1000 more than the price I paid yesterday (With Buy It Now, incidentally).
I consider myself a pretty honest seller and I always stick by my sales even if I do an auction and the final price is lower than I'd hoped (though in this case, it was a buy it now, sold for the going rate). This strikes me as a particularly crappy thing to do. Also, now I have to wait almost a week for ebay to refund the money to my credit card so I can buy it from someone else, because this was expensive enough that it basically maxed out that card.
If the cancellation reason wasn't to jack up the price by $1000, and it was really out of stock, shouldn't they have instead delisted that auction? I can't really think of a reason to to this other than to make it more expensive.
10-26-2021 01:44 PM
Welll, they're not going to sell these for $1000 more. The $3500 was a bit on the high side, but we need it to get work done, so I was willing to pay a little extra. They've been selling for between $3200 and $3500 new and under $3k used. I got one from another seller for $3500 after making an offer on the identical model, also new in box.
10-26-2021 02:14 PM
@gammaraydigital wrote:Welll, they're not going to sell these for $1000 more. The $3500 was a bit on the high side, but we need it to get work done, so I was willing to pay a little extra. They've been selling for between $3200 and $3500 new and under $3k used. I got one from another seller for $3500 after making an offer on the identical model, also new in box.
Sounds like as another poster said, they don't know what they are doing.
Probably not a long career for them on ebay then.
10-26-2021 02:23 PM
If they are not going to sell at that price, then they probably don't have any and just raised the price to 'hold' the listing until they get some. Done all the time.
10-26-2021 02:46 PM
I don't doubt that's done, but the right way to do it is to take down the listing, not to let someone buy something and forcing their $3500 to be held in limbo for a week. What is the benefit (to anyone - buyer or seller) of jacking the price up just to keep the listing live, for something you're not able to sell right now?
I mean, it's easy enough to temporarily take down a listing, or set the available quantity to zero, then relist when it's back in stock.
10-26-2021 03:01 PM
@stainlessenginecovers wrote:If they are not going to sell at that price, then they probably don't have any and just raised the price to 'hold' the listing until they get some. Done all the time.
"done all the time"
Done years ago when there was no other option if you wanted to maintain a listings history during a temporary period of being out of stock.
Of course that hasn't been necessary for many years now ever since eBay created the Out Of Stock option.
10-26-2021 09:34 PM
(Can a seller get in trouble for this? If not it should be possible.)
For anyone interested in how courts of law consider eBay sales.
Click on this link to download the court case.
ARIZONA COURT OF APPEALS DIVISION ONE
Sales On eBay Are Legally Binding Contracts
http://www.azcourts.gov/Portals/0/OpinionFiles/Div1/2018/1%20CA-CV%2016-0755.pdf
click on this link and your seller should be there.
Leave Feedback For Your Seller
https://www.ebay.com/fdbk/leave_feedback?filter=giver_role:BUYER
10-26-2021 09:54 PM
@stainlessenginecovers wrote:If they are not going to sell at that price, then they probably don't have any and just raised the price to 'hold' the listing until they get some. Done all the time.
Hmmmm. So what if someone buys them at that price and they still don't have it? Another defect. Now if they had raised the price to $15,000 that would make sense.
10-26-2021 09:59 PM
@gammaraydigital wrote:I am a longtime ebay user (under a different account), going back to 1999. I've been buying and selling here that whole time. I just bought an expensive piece of IT gear for our business yesterday from a seller who had 5 of them listed. It was paid for immediately, from my company credit card.
Last night I got a notice that the seller canceled the transaction:
We are sorry to let you know that XXXXXXXX cancelled your order and mentioned the cancelled reason as 'I'm out of stock or the item is damaged.'
This morning I looked at the auction, and the same item is still listed, 4 of them available, but now for $1000 more than the price I paid yesterday (With Buy It Now, incidentally).---
If the cancellation reason wasn't to jack up the price by $1000, and it was really out of stock, shouldn't they have instead delisted that auction? I can't really think of a reason to to this other than to make it more expensive.
Uh... auctions do not have multiple quantities. If you saw a listing with multiple quantities, then it was a fixed price listing, not an auction, and the buyer most likely jacked the price to keep anyone else from buying them until they got their inventory squared away.
You are correct in that they should have ended the listing rather than just jacking up the price. I'm sure they had their reasons, but it should also be noted that the seller will be dinged for cancelling for 'out of stock', so they are not getting away scot-free.
The whole refund process is currently an MP nightmare, one that eBay is going to have to work out a more viable solution for. Making a buyer wait for a refund is just insult to injury.
-Bob.
10-26-2021 10:05 PM
@slippinjimmy wrote:
@stainlessenginecovers wrote:If they are not going to sell at that price, then they probably don't have any and just raised the price to 'hold' the listing until they get some. Done all the time.
"done all the time"
Done years ago when there was no other option if you wanted to maintain a listings history during a temporary period of being out of stock.
Of course that hasn't been necessary for many years now ever since eBay created the Out Of Stock option.
Except that the OOS option applies to ALL your listings, so you would have to manually cancel any listings where you sold out and cannot restock, or end up having them on your account (using up a Store-included listing each month or generating a listing fee each month) until you do remember.
-Bob.
10-26-2021 10:11 PM
@slati_2013 wrote:
@stainlessenginecovers wrote:If they are not going to sell at that price, then they probably don't have any and just raised the price to 'hold' the listing until they get some. Done all the time.
Hmmmm. So what if someone buys them at that price and they still don't have it? Another defect. Now if they had raised the price to $15,000 that would make sense.
That's actually how I handle custom orders from my repeat customers. Since my work schedule keeps me off my personal sales all day long, and most of my buyers are daytime shoppers, I will create their custom listing (generally in my collectible souvenir coins), post it, but give it a super-ridiculous Fixed Price with Make An Offer option added. Since we don't pay listing fees based on the fixed price anymore, it's do-able, and then my customer send me an Offer for the agreed-upon amount, I accept, they send payment, and I send the order. eBay gets their fees, my customer gets their selections, and I get a sale and generally a positive feedback.
Mostly these are repeat buyers... and some of my repeats have been buying from me for over a decade, so I'm more than happy to oblige.
And whenever possible, I include all the appropriate images. Or list them as-is/for parts. 🙂
-Bob.
10-26-2021 10:46 PM
Yes. You can leave FB for a cancelled transaction.
Go to:
Site Map
Feedback
Leave Feedback for My Transactions
Your transaction that was cancelled will be there. E-Bay just "hides" it, but you can leave FB for that transaction. If your Seller is a TRS, you will have to wait 7 days.
I would report your Seller as others have also indicated up thread. What they did was wrong - really wrong and it hurts "every" Seller on this site. An unhappy Buyer tells MANY friends. E-bay needs to address this one. Good luck!
10-27-2021 05:31 AM
@rosachs wrote:
Uh... auctions do not have multiple quantities.
I've been at this a long time, since the time when there were *only* auctions. I meant "listing" but wrote auction because i tend to think of all ebay listings as auctions. The price of being old and stuck in my ways I guess. But it was pretty clear from the rest of my post that it was a Buy It Now, and that I paid for it immediately at a fixed price. Anyway, it was a crappy thing for the seller to do and has been reported.
10-27-2021 05:39 AM
@katzrul15 wrote:
Site Map
Feedback
Leave Feedback for My Transactions
Thanks. That worked. Talk about convoluted!
02-16-2022 11:31 AM - edited 02-16-2022 11:34 AM
Safe to say you're actions here are lame. You're basically complaining because the seller is asking for the item's actual worth. Maybe the seller realized he was selling it too cheap and was forced to make a decision. As an experienced seller yourself, you should try to understand that, instead of deliberately snitching to negatively impact his account. Ebay is the one to blame here, and the administration should do more to improve its system and give more liberties to both buyer/seller. Especially when it comes to cancellations. If I want to cancel as a buyer or a seller, I should have the option to do that at any given time!!! No ifs, ands or buts about it.
02-16-2022 11:41 AM
@quality-bits wrote:Safe to say you're actions here are lame. You're basically complaining because the seller is asking for the item's actual worth. Maybe the seller realized he was selling it too cheap and was forced to make a decision. As an experienced seller yourself, you should try to understand that, instead of deliberately snitching to negatively impact his account. Ebay is the one to blame here, and the administration should do more to improve its system and give more liberties to both buyer/seller. Especially when it comes to cancellations. If I want to cancel as a buyer or a seller, I should have the option to do that at any given time!!! No ifs, ands or buts about it.
ROTFLOL:
When you list you contract to sell that item.
When you bid, or pay for a buy it now you contract to purchase the item.
You should understand this before using ebay at all.
You are in violation of a contract by a cancel and with out a very good reason should not be allowed to.