08-13-2019 05:03 PM
So we've asked time and time again for this option... and still it doesn't exist. Enter the "work-arounds."
A buyer messaged me that I accidentally sent them one wrong shirt amongst their multiple order. I confirmed and said I'll send the correct replacement and they can keep the original. They agreed. One day later (the day I sent the replacement), the buyer files a SNAD exchange request. The problem isn't the SNAD, but the process. Ebay doesn't allow you to accept an exchange and let the buyer keep the item... why is that?
Anyway, so before replying to the request (accept, deny, change to return for refund, issue a refund, etc) I sent a message in there saying the replacement is already sent and provided the tracking number. Obviously it hasn't arrived to the buyer yet, but the clock is still ticking for me to act... or else ebay will just close in favor of the buyer. Today is the deadline and I called ebay, rep said I can just accept the exchange and just tell the buyer to NOT send it back or use the return postage (that I'd pay for). I said that previous times I've had the buyer use that postage despite me telling them to keep the item and not return it. She said we can put a 10 day hold on this request which is great.
So after hanging up, I see that all she did was escalate the request into a case. Ebay ruled on the case already telling the buyer to return the item (with the return postage given). And when it's scanned as delivered to me, eBay will pull the funds from my PayPal and refund the buyer. What the heck?? So if the buyer listens to eBay and follows those steps, they would have ultimately just got their item for free!! I'd much rather send someone two items for the price of one versus sending one item absolutely free. Concierge shmoncierge man... thanks for wasting my time talking to you and throwing me under the bus, also possibly giving me more defects.
08-13-2019 05:34 PM
08-13-2019 05:57 PM
It is a SNAD. You accidentally shipped the wrong item. It wasn't what they ordered. Your response to your customer was excellent and you are offering terrific customer service. But it is a SNAD.
08-13-2019 06:01 PM
I must say your buyer is not keeping to your original agreement but unfortunately there isn't a lot you can do about it at this point. I most certainly would report the buyer after the claim is completely done as they had no need to open much less escalate that SNAD. You had an agreement, I'm hoping via Ebay emails. Your buyer is not playing fair at all.
I would also appeal the claim once it is done as well. Let Ebay know that this buyer is knowingly double dipping as is evidenced by the emails between you.
08-13-2019 10:55 PM
We don't know yet if the buyer is planning on returning the item, I still have faith that he won't. He may have just opened the SNAD due to ignorance and not knowing what it actually does to the seller.
He didn't escalate the request. That's really my issue here, not really the fact that the buyer filed a return to exchange request. But the fact that the eBay rep confirmed with me that she was going to put a 10 day hold on this to wait til the replacement gets delivered, and didn't end up doing that. But instead she just escalated it to eBay on my behalf, which later got ruled in the buyer's favor to return the item for a refund. I could've done all that myself online (basically shooting myself in the foot) without even calling for eBay's assistance.
08-13-2019 11:08 PM
@bigdeals.etc wrote:We don't know yet if the buyer is planning on returning the item, I still have faith that he won't. He may have just opened the SNAD due to ignorance and not knowing what it actually does to the seller.
He didn't escalate the request. That's really my issue here, not really the fact that the buyer filed a return to exchange request. But the fact that the eBay rep confirmed with me that she was going to put a 10 day hold on this to wait til the replacement gets delivered, and didn't end up doing that. But instead she just escalated it to eBay on my behalf, which later got ruled in the buyer's favor to return the item for a refund. I could've done all that myself online (basically shooting myself in the foot) without even calling for eBay's assistance.
I did misunderstand earlier, thank you for the clarification.
Your experience is yet another great example of CSRs overstepping and doing something that is harmful to a seller's stats when it just isn't necessary. Now you have a defect and a mark in your Service Metrics, that did not have to be there except for a CSR that escalated a Request to a case when you didn't ask them to do that.
It is really rather dangerous for sellers to call in with an issue on an open Request. We read threads too often about a seller calling with a question or concern on a Return Request only to find out that the CSR took it upon themselves to escalate the Return to a claim.
I do however hope your buyer does as you had previously agreed to do. You did everything you could to provide excellent customer service!!!!
@Anonymous
08-14-2019 12:05 AM
@bigdeals.etc wrote:A buyer messaged me that I accidentally sent them one wrong shirt amongst their multiple order. I confirmed and said I'll send the correct replacement and they can keep the original. They agreed. One day later (the day I sent the replacement), the buyer files a SNAD exchange request. The problem isn't the SNAD, but the process.
Ebay doesn't allow you to accept an exchange and let the buyer keep the item... why is that?
eBay offers a clear path @bigdeals.etc to tip-toe through the tulips with me:
08-14-2019 12:36 AM
A few years ago, I set up an item return policy where they could request a refund or exchange.
Sent the item to the buyer and it ended up not working and buyer contacted me about it.
I ask her if she wanted a refund or exchange, she said she wanted to exchange it.
I told her how to start the process and Ebay sent me a message saying buyer wanted an exchange.
Sent return shipping label and Ebay said to wait until I got the item back to send the new one.
Got the damaged one back, went to the return to update it and it give me an option to buy a label to ship the new item.
Printed the new label, got the new item shipped back all in a couple hours of receiving the damaged item back.
Later that afternoon I get an Email from Ebay saying since I got the returned item back, they refunded the buyer and the case is now closed.
I haven't used the exchange option since.
I'm glad it was a cheap item and didn't cost much to ship it.
08-14-2019 11:53 AM
@kensgiftshop wrote:
A few years ago, I set up an item return policy where they could request a refund or exchange.
Sent the item to the buyer and it ended up not working and buyer contacted me about it.
I ask her if she wanted a refund or exchange, she said she wanted to exchange it.
I told her how to start the process and Ebay sent me a message saying buyer wanted an exchange.
Sent return shipping label and Ebay said to wait until I got the item back to send the new one.
Got the damaged one back, went to the return to update it and it give me an option to buy a label to ship the new item.
Printed the new label, got the new item shipped back all in a couple hours of receiving the damaged item back.
Later that afternoon I get an Email from Ebay saying since I got the returned item back, they refunded the buyer and the case is now closed.I haven't used the exchange option since.
I'm glad it was a cheap item and didn't cost much to ship it.
Hi @kensgiftshop, while the example you describe is older than I would be able to review, I do want to clarify that if a buyer and seller have worked out an exchange or replacement, we will allow time for the new item to arrive to the buyer before making a decision in the case. If we make a decision prematurely, this could easily be appealed to ensure you are compensated appropriately. The exchange or replacement option simplifies the process for buyers and sellers, as it allows the seller to purchase a new label directly through the request and will charge a buyer for the replacement if they do not return what they receive. A buyer and seller can of course work out alternative solutions on their own through messaging, but these added protections would not be present in the standard process.
The choice is yours on what you would like to offer, I just wanted to touch base and say if something doesn't go as it should in a replacement/exchange, we are here to help correct any issues.
08-14-2019 12:05 PM
@bigdeals.etc wrote:
So we've asked time and time again for this option... and still it doesn't exist. Enter the "work-arounds."
A buyer messaged me that I accidentally sent them one wrong shirt amongst their multiple order. I confirmed and said I'll send the correct replacement and they can keep the original. They agreed. One day later (the day I sent the replacement), the buyer files a SNAD exchange request. The problem isn't the SNAD, but the process. Ebay doesn't allow you to accept an exchange and let the buyer keep the item... why is that?
Anyway, so before replying to the request (accept, deny, change to return for refund, issue a refund, etc) I sent a message in there saying the replacement is already sent and provided the tracking number. Obviously it hasn't arrived to the buyer yet, but the clock is still ticking for me to act... or else ebay will just close in favor of the buyer. Today is the deadline and I called ebay, rep said I can just accept the exchange and just tell the buyer to NOT send it back or use the return postage (that I'd pay for). I said that previous times I've had the buyer use that postage despite me telling them to keep the item and not return it. She said we can put a 10 day hold on this request which is great.
So after hanging up, I see that all she did was escalate the request into a case. Ebay ruled on the case already telling the buyer to return the item (with the return postage given). And when it's scanned as delivered to me, eBay will pull the funds from my PayPal and refund the buyer. What the heck?? So if the buyer listens to eBay and follows those steps, they would have ultimately just got their item for free!! I'd much rather send someone two items for the price of one versus sending one item absolutely free. Concierge shmoncierge man... thanks for wasting my time talking to you and throwing me under the bus, also possibly giving me more defects.
Hi @bigdeals.etc, I'll be sure to have your case reviewed for appropriate action - it doesn't sound like things were handled as they should have been. I do want to add that you should be able to accept a replacement/exchange request and indicate specifically that the buyer can keep what they received. This would ensure they are not provided with a return shipping label and you can avoid any issues with return shipping cost when you do not need the item returned.
08-14-2019 12:27 PM - edited 08-14-2019 12:27 PM
@Anonymous wrote:
@bigdeals.etc wrote:So we've asked time and time again for this option... and still it doesn't exist. Enter the "work-arounds."
A buyer messaged me that I accidentally sent them one wrong shirt amongst their multiple order. I confirmed and said I'll send the correct replacement and they can keep the original. They agreed. One day later (the day I sent the replacement), the buyer files a SNAD exchange request. The problem isn't the SNAD, but the process. Ebay doesn't allow you to accept an exchange and let the buyer keep the item... why is that?
Anyway, so before replying to the request (accept, deny, change to return for refund, issue a refund, etc) I sent a message in there saying the replacement is already sent and provided the tracking number. Obviously it hasn't arrived to the buyer yet, but the clock is still ticking for me to act... or else ebay will just close in favor of the buyer. Today is the deadline and I called ebay, rep said I can just accept the exchange and just tell the buyer to NOT send it back or use the return postage (that I'd pay for). I said that previous times I've had the buyer use that postage despite me telling them to keep the item and not return it. She said we can put a 10 day hold on this request which is great.
So after hanging up, I see that all she did was escalate the request into a case. Ebay ruled on the case already telling the buyer to return the item (with the return postage given). And when it's scanned as delivered to me, eBay will pull the funds from my PayPal and refund the buyer. What the heck?? So if the buyer listens to eBay and follows those steps, they would have ultimately just got their item for free!! I'd much rather send someone two items for the price of one versus sending one item absolutely free. Concierge shmoncierge man... thanks for wasting my time talking to you and throwing me under the bus, also possibly giving me more defects.
Hi @bigdeals.etc, I'll be sure to have your case reviewed for appropriate action - it doesn't sound like things were handled as they should have been. I do want to add that you should be able to accept a replacement/exchange request and indicate specifically that the buyer can keep what they received. This would ensure they are not provided with a return shipping label and you can avoid any issues with return shipping cost when you do not need the item returned.
@Anonymous
How is the CSR escalating the case without the seller asking them or agreeing to have them do that the proper process?? Because of this, the OP now has a defect on their account.
08-14-2019 12:37 PM
@Anonymous wrote:
@bigdeals.etc wrote:So we've asked time and time again for this option... and still it doesn't exist. Enter the "work-arounds."
A buyer messaged me that I accidentally sent them one wrong shirt amongst their multiple order. I confirmed and said I'll send the correct replacement and they can keep the original. They agreed. One day later (the day I sent the replacement), the buyer files a SNAD exchange request. The problem isn't the SNAD, but the process. Ebay doesn't allow you to accept an exchange and let the buyer keep the item... why is that?
Anyway, so before replying to the request (accept, deny, change to return for refund, issue a refund, etc) I sent a message in there saying the replacement is already sent and provided the tracking number. Obviously it hasn't arrived to the buyer yet, but the clock is still ticking for me to act... or else ebay will just close in favor of the buyer. Today is the deadline and I called ebay, rep said I can just accept the exchange and just tell the buyer to NOT send it back or use the return postage (that I'd pay for). I said that previous times I've had the buyer use that postage despite me telling them to keep the item and not return it. She said we can put a 10 day hold on this request which is great.
So after hanging up, I see that all she did was escalate the request into a case. Ebay ruled on the case already telling the buyer to return the item (with the return postage given). And when it's scanned as delivered to me, eBay will pull the funds from my PayPal and refund the buyer. What the heck?? So if the buyer listens to eBay and follows those steps, they would have ultimately just got their item for free!! I'd much rather send someone two items for the price of one versus sending one item absolutely free. Concierge shmoncierge man... thanks for wasting my time talking to you and throwing me under the bus, also possibly giving me more defects.
Hi @bigdeals.etc, I'll be sure to have your case reviewed for appropriate action - it doesn't sound like things were handled as they should have been. I do want to add that you should be able to accept a replacement/exchange request and indicate specifically that the buyer can keep what they received. This would ensure they are not provided with a return shipping label and you can avoid any issues with return shipping cost when you do not need the item returned.
Thanks for your help looking into this. I actually called CS again today (had other things to take care of) and mentioned this issue to the rep. He looked into it and said the previous agent incorrectly escalated it. He assured that he's going to get it to show case "on hold" and I shouldn't get a defect for it. I just hung up with him about an hour ago. Once the replacement tracking shows delivered, I have to call in again to get the case closed... the only worry right now is if the buyer uses the return postage to return the original item. Let's hope that doesn't happen before I call in to close.
If you have time, please look into it and confirm that what's going on with this case is on par to what the agent told me... because we both know reps make "mistakes." Also you mention that I can "...indicate specifically that the buyer can keep what they received." How would I do that? Can you run me thru the steps? As far as I know, if I accept the exchange the automated process will issue the buyer a return label on my dime. I've never seen options to indicate the buyer keep the original item. That is why (and because of what @kensgiftshop said) I've always just changed it to return for refund and told the buyer to just buy the replacement they want and I'll send it out. Thus treating both transactions separately.
08-14-2019 01:48 PM
@mam98031 wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:
@bigdeals.etc wrote:
So we've asked time and time again for this option... and still it doesn't exist. Enter the "work-arounds."
A buyer messaged me that I accidentally sent them one wrong shirt amongst their multiple order. I confirmed and said I'll send the correct replacement and they can keep the original. They agreed. One day later (the day I sent the replacement), the buyer files a SNAD exchange request. The problem isn't the SNAD, but the process. Ebay doesn't allow you to accept an exchange and let the buyer keep the item... why is that?
Anyway, so before replying to the request (accept, deny, change to return for refund, issue a refund, etc) I sent a message in there saying the replacement is already sent and provided the tracking number. Obviously it hasn't arrived to the buyer yet, but the clock is still ticking for me to act... or else ebay will just close in favor of the buyer. Today is the deadline and I called ebay, rep said I can just accept the exchange and just tell the buyer to NOT send it back or use the return postage (that I'd pay for). I said that previous times I've had the buyer use that postage despite me telling them to keep the item and not return it. She said we can put a 10 day hold on this request which is great.
So after hanging up, I see that all she did was escalate the request into a case. Ebay ruled on the case already telling the buyer to return the item (with the return postage given). And when it's scanned as delivered to me, eBay will pull the funds from my PayPal and refund the buyer. What the heck?? So if the buyer listens to eBay and follows those steps, they would have ultimately just got their item for free!! I'd much rather send someone two items for the price of one versus sending one item absolutely free. Concierge shmoncierge man... thanks for wasting my time talking to you and throwing me under the bus, also possibly giving me more defects.
Hi @bigdeals.etc, I'll be sure to have your case reviewed for appropriate action - it doesn't sound like things were handled as they should have been. I do want to add that you should be able to accept a replacement/exchange request and indicate specifically that the buyer can keep what they received. This would ensure they are not provided with a return shipping label and you can avoid any issues with return shipping cost when you do not need the item returned.
@Anonymous
How is the CSR escalating the case without the seller asking them or agreeing to have them do that the proper process?? Because of this, the OP now has a defect on their account.
Hi @mam98031, to place a case on hold we have to step in and make a decision. I can clarify that there is no defect for this transaction, and the OP received an email from us that confirms this as well. Any mistakes that were made in handling this case will be addressed with coaching and corrective action, and I can assure everyone I've confirmed the hold that was discussed is currently in place.
08-14-2019 01:53 PM
@Anonymous wrote:
@mam98031 wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:
@bigdeals.etc wrote:So we've asked time and time again for this option... and still it doesn't exist. Enter the "work-arounds."
A buyer messaged me that I accidentally sent them one wrong shirt amongst their multiple order. I confirmed and said I'll send the correct replacement and they can keep the original. They agreed. One day later (the day I sent the replacement), the buyer files a SNAD exchange request. The problem isn't the SNAD, but the process. Ebay doesn't allow you to accept an exchange and let the buyer keep the item... why is that?
Anyway, so before replying to the request (accept, deny, change to return for refund, issue a refund, etc) I sent a message in there saying the replacement is already sent and provided the tracking number. Obviously it hasn't arrived to the buyer yet, but the clock is still ticking for me to act... or else ebay will just close in favor of the buyer. Today is the deadline and I called ebay, rep said I can just accept the exchange and just tell the buyer to NOT send it back or use the return postage (that I'd pay for). I said that previous times I've had the buyer use that postage despite me telling them to keep the item and not return it. She said we can put a 10 day hold on this request which is great.
So after hanging up, I see that all she did was escalate the request into a case. Ebay ruled on the case already telling the buyer to return the item (with the return postage given). And when it's scanned as delivered to me, eBay will pull the funds from my PayPal and refund the buyer. What the heck?? So if the buyer listens to eBay and follows those steps, they would have ultimately just got their item for free!! I'd much rather send someone two items for the price of one versus sending one item absolutely free. Concierge shmoncierge man... thanks for wasting my time talking to you and throwing me under the bus, also possibly giving me more defects.
Hi @bigdeals.etc, I'll be sure to have your case reviewed for appropriate action - it doesn't sound like things were handled as they should have been. I do want to add that you should be able to accept a replacement/exchange request and indicate specifically that the buyer can keep what they received. This would ensure they are not provided with a return shipping label and you can avoid any issues with return shipping cost when you do not need the item returned.
@Anonymous
How is the CSR escalating the case without the seller asking them or agreeing to have them do that the proper process?? Because of this, the OP now has a defect on their account.
Hi @mam98031, to place a case on hold we have to step in and make a decision. I can clarify that there is no defect for this transaction, and the OP received an email from us that confirms this as well. Any mistakes that were made in handling this case will be addressed with coaching and corrective action, and I can assure everyone I've confirmed the hold that was discussed is currently in place.
That is good to know. But if the CSR isn't making that abundantly clear to the seller calling in, I just don't think ANY CSR should me deciding for the seller to escalate a request to a claim. In this particular case, unless I misunderstood something, the OP did not know the CSR was going to escalate the claim until after the fact.
I firmly believe that NO CSR should EVER escalate a claim for a seller without the expressed approval of that seller. It just seems to happen too often when a seller calls in to get a question answered or a little help.
08-14-2019 01:55 PM
@bigdeals.etc wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:
@bigdeals.etc wrote:
So we've asked time and time again for this option... and still it doesn't exist. Enter the "work-arounds."
A buyer messaged me that I accidentally sent them one wrong shirt amongst their multiple order. I confirmed and said I'll send the correct replacement and they can keep the original. They agreed. One day later (the day I sent the replacement), the buyer files a SNAD exchange request. The problem isn't the SNAD, but the process. Ebay doesn't allow you to accept an exchange and let the buyer keep the item... why is that?
Anyway, so before replying to the request (accept, deny, change to return for refund, issue a refund, etc) I sent a message in there saying the replacement is already sent and provided the tracking number. Obviously it hasn't arrived to the buyer yet, but the clock is still ticking for me to act... or else ebay will just close in favor of the buyer. Today is the deadline and I called ebay, rep said I can just accept the exchange and just tell the buyer to NOT send it back or use the return postage (that I'd pay for). I said that previous times I've had the buyer use that postage despite me telling them to keep the item and not return it. She said we can put a 10 day hold on this request which is great.
So after hanging up, I see that all she did was escalate the request into a case. Ebay ruled on the case already telling the buyer to return the item (with the return postage given). And when it's scanned as delivered to me, eBay will pull the funds from my PayPal and refund the buyer. What the heck?? So if the buyer listens to eBay and follows those steps, they would have ultimately just got their item for free!! I'd much rather send someone two items for the price of one versus sending one item absolutely free. Concierge shmoncierge man... thanks for wasting my time talking to you and throwing me under the bus, also possibly giving me more defects.
Hi @bigdeals.etc, I'll be sure to have your case reviewed for appropriate action - it doesn't sound like things were handled as they should have been. I do want to add that you should be able to accept a replacement/exchange request and indicate specifically that the buyer can keep what they received. This would ensure they are not provided with a return shipping label and you can avoid any issues with return shipping cost when you do not need the item returned.
Thanks for your help looking into this. I actually called CS again today (had other things to take care of) and mentioned this issue to the rep. He looked into it and said the previous agent incorrectly escalated it. He assured that he's going to get it to show case "on hold" and I shouldn't get a defect for it. I just hung up with him about an hour ago. Once the replacement tracking shows delivered, I have to call in again to get the case closed... the only worry right now is if the buyer uses the return postage to return the original item. Let's hope that doesn't happen before I call in to close.
If you have time, please look into it and confirm that what's going on with this case is on par to what the agent told me... because we both know reps make "mistakes." Also you mention that I can "...indicate specifically that the buyer can keep what they received." How would I do that? Can you run me thru the steps? As far as I know, if I accept the exchange the automated process will issue the buyer a return label on my dime. I've never seen options to indicate the buyer keep the original item. That is why (and because of what @kensgiftshop said) I've always just changed it to return for refund and told the buyer to just buy the replacement they want and I'll send it out. Thus treating both transactions separately.
Hi @bigdeals.etc, when approving the return or exchange you should have options to approve the request and also have options to approve the request but allow the buyer to keep the item. I will do some testing and make sure nothing has changed since I last experienced this, as well as see if I can get screenshots of how exactly you would indicate this through the request itself.
As for the request, I can confirm that there is no defect associated with this transaction at this time, the hold is now correctly in place, and if there is a charge for return shipping because of the return authorization that was incorrectly placed initially we can take a look at applying any necessary credits.