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Buyer abuse of eBay return policy (with Proof)

I've suspected this happening before but could not proove it, and while eBay says they protect sellers as well as buyers, they did nothing to assist me last time this happened. This time I can proove the buyer is dishonest and abusing the system. What can I expect from eBay when I call them tomorrow? Has anyone else experienced this?

 

Story is as follows:

-Buyer purchases item from me. I print a shipping label through the eBay system 1 hour later, USPS Priority 2 day. Scheduled pickup for the next day.

 

-Buyer leaves positive feedback the following day, with a message saying that I did not include a tracking number. This is false, I printed the shipping label 1 hour after the buyer made the purchase and scheduled to have it picked up the following day. This tracking number would have updated in the buyers My eBay, as it had mine. Red flag number 1.

 

-I then check the buyers feedback left for other sellers. They are full of notes from other sellers questioning the feedback left. Example, one negative fedback rating, but the message says the the seller is highly recommended, with a followup message from the seller asking why the feedback is negative if he is highly recommended... red flag number 2.

 

-Exactly 9 calendar days later, buy opens an "Item not as described case". I honor my return policies, which was a 14 day policy. But first checked the tracking information to see when my item was delivered. According to USPS the item was NOT delivered, indicating a problem with delivery, lost package, etc. The tracking info showed the Priority 2-Day package sat ay my local USPS hub for 6 days, then arrived in the sellers city 4 days later, and then The message was "Delivery status not updated". I leave a note in the return details asking if the buyer ment to open an item not received case instead of not as described. Buyer answers by demanding me to send a return label to send the faulty item back. We all know how reliable to USPS "delivery confirmation" system is, so I figured the mail piece was not scanned when delivered or something, and approved the return.

 

-To be on the safe side, and because I suspected foul play based on all the above, I paid USPS to intercept my original package that I sent, just in case.

 

-3 days later, I now have two packages, the original package that I sent to the buyer, and the fradulent package that the buyer sent to me with an identical item inside of it with the label that I paid to have him send it to me through the NAD case that he opened. I have proof of the intercept, and the original tracking number still says "Delivery status not updated".

 

-My original package has a damaged label, the delivery address was ripped off. The return address area, and barcode portion were all gone. The USPS lady explained that is why the package couldn't be delivered, which of course makes sense. Luckily the portion of the label with the return address was still stuck there, so they were able to bring my package back.

 

I understand that since the buyer did not receive the item, he is due a refund. But this is abuse of an item not as described case, since the buyer never received the item. I test everything before I sell it, so I knew it was a working item. NAD effects my seller rating differently, than a problem due to USPS ripping my label off. It makes it seem that I am selling shady items if I get hit with enough of these. I use a Zebra labeler  with good sticky labels, like Amazon packages come with, so I don't understand how the label was partially ripped off, but at this point this doesn't matter.

 

What, if anything, does eBay do to the buyers like this that are the scum of the eBay community? I have buyer requirements setup for all my items to avoid buyers like this, but he was still able to make a puchase from me:

 

  • Don't have a PayPal account
  • Have received 2 unpaid item strike(s) within 12 month(s)
  • Have 4 policy violation report(s) within 6 month(s)
  • Have a feedback score equal to or lower than -1
  • Have bid on or bought my items in the last 10 days and have met my limit of 1 and who have a feedback score of 0 or lower

Are there any other ways that I can protect myself in the future since eBay isn't going to do it for me, or give me the tools to properly do it myself? I am thinking of getting some "warranty void if removed" stickers that are serialized and tamper evident, taking a picture of it in the listings, and only accepting the return if it's stil in tact once received like the major manufacturers do. If anything, maybe it will divert these type of buyers from my listings, which are mostly categorized as computer electronics, and parts for home and business equipment.

 

Thanks for your time

 

 

 

 

 

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I gotta ask.. why did the label get torn off?

 

Was it just some random fluke or was it not completely attached/taped over?

 

The other stuff is baffling, but at least you got your item back (and probably an item that belongs to another seller)


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When you talk to ebay, ask for a supervisor right away. If they can't oblige, ask f0r a number where you can reach one. 

Dear God, please help me to be
the person my dog thinks I am.
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"It's possible I guess to receive a bad item that is sealed from the manufacturer."

that sounds like a new item
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I really don't know why or how, I could blame the cold weather, it makes the sticky side more brittle in some cases, I don't know. but I use an industrial Zebra label maker and labels on a roll that have worked fine up until this point. Doesn't make sense that my return address part was all that remained, but I am just happy that it was still stuck on there.
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Funny, one of my bedrooms is exactly that, the box room. Full of various sized boxes and foam and bubbles.

I'm trying to get my top seller rating back, decrease in sales was the reason it was taken away. And I don't need NAD points, I think 5 is the max and you can't be top rated until they roll off. That is the only reason I am pursuing this, regardless of the reason of why or how this all happened.

And thanks for mentioning about blocking him, I searched and learned something new, didn't know you can block buyers.
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@cybergoodscentral wrote:
I really don't know why or how, I could blame the cold weather, it makes the sticky side more brittle in some cases, I don't know. but I use an industrial Zebra label maker and labels on a roll that have worked fine up until this point. Doesn't make sense that my return address part was all that remained, but I am just happy that it was still stuck on there.

I worked for a bit in a distribution center, we shipped thousands of packages a day, using Zebra printers.

Every day labels would get messed in the sorting machene, and that was just us, then it had to go through the postal system.

I learned a lot about shipping there, and packing, and returns.... then they closed it, and put 150 people out of work, but I ain't bitter.

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Just incase anyone was wondering what happened with this, eBay basically said not to worry about it, and this matter is not counting against my account as a defect on my part. However, the buyer is free to make other mistakes like this to other sellers. Seriously reading the feedback that he has left for other sellers and their responses, and after emailing him back and forth, this guy must have some sort of mental illness. At times it felt like I was talking to an 11 year old kid on their parents account. Ball was dropped multiple times for this to happen, so I initially thought this was foul play on purpose. In the end, the buyer made a mistake and refused to own up to it because of the whole "buyer always right" mentality.

Hope you all have an excellent weekend 🙂
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just to make my long story short.....Any item purchased via Paypal comes with a 120 day "item not as described " return policy, for the buyer. I was shocked,and still am.

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Sellers can no longer report buyers. You get the following error;

 

You can't report a buyer for the item number you entered. It could be for the following reasons:
  • The item number is invalid
  • You weren't the seller for this transaction
  • The transaction occurred more than 7 days ago

 

With shipping time, then waiting for a resolution and then return shipping it will be more than 7 days. A buyer can send back a box of rocks and there is nother a seller can do.

 

(I have been an eBay seller for many years with 100% satisfaction from over 1400 feedback rating. eBay just let a buyer return a perfect laptop. I am out about $90 shipping. Thank you eBay. eBay refunded the buyer and I refunded eBay. Now eBay is not only not refunding my eBay fees, they are wanting ANOTHER $1000.

Paypal shows the refund transaction, I see amount deducted from my account. When I call eBay, they put me on hold and eventually hang up.)

 

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i have proof of delivery (tracking) USPS pulled up the archive Confirmed Delivered. Buyer sent an e-mail thru eBay confirming receipt of order. Then buyer receives refund.
Between USPS confirmation and the Buyer confining receipt. How is it that a buyer can claim buyer protection and receive a refund plus keep the order. i thought through reading buyer protection if proof is that the buyer knowingly received the order and a refund. The item or refund should be returned.
i cannot imagine going into any store and asking for a refund without returning the item.

 

Have a beautiful rest of the week 

i enjoyed reading insight into this issue. 

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I was sent the wrong part an I didn't need it so I sent it back ,now the seller won't return my money
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Part number 111435932928 an I've got the tracking number as well that they received the package back
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@dre5455 wrote:
Part number 111435932928 an I've got the tracking number as well that they received the package back

Did you file a claim with ebay?

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Absolutely not. They are incapable of following a complex situation. They will stop listening at the word return. Don't waste your time. Just sell his other item and make a few extra dollars. 

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@21352bob wrote:

Any item purchased via Paypal comes with a 120 day "item not as described " return policy

 

I was shocked, and still am.


Prepare to be short again: It's actually 180 days — you're 60 days too shocked.

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