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Any plans for fighting tariffs?

These tariffs are going to impact all of us either directly or indirectly, I am curious if any sellers have a plan for fighting this problem outside of just surrendering & lowering your prices to ridiculous levels just to make a sale., It's going to be a tough road ahead, No Doubt!

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@meme6253 

 

I am doing what I have done for a few years now, I only sell domestically and I only buy domestically.  Tariffs will have no affect on what I do with eBay.  

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Mr. Lincoln - Community Mentor
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hawaii wrote:.So instead of prices of everything coming down on "day one" as promised, they are going up.

 

So the average hard-working American struggling to make it paycheck to paycheck will just wait and see what happens.

 

"...average American living paycheck to paycheck..."  I'll add, living from foodstamps+welfare to foodstamps+welfare.

 

What you're stating inherently realizes something must change with our system.  Trump represents this needed change.  Today's job market release substantiates the path we're on: 228,000 new jobs under Trump.  Imagine when trillions and trillions of investment dollars begin to kick in with millions of new, well paying, non-government jobs.  We're on the right path, I have no doubts.

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Oh, my dear Mr. Lincoln. You are so wrong. You said: 

 

"I am doing what I have done for a few years now, I only sell domestically and I only buy domestically. Tariffs will have no affect on what I do with eBay."

 

Trillions of dollars have been lost in the stock market over the last two days. That will have no effect on you? 

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For every complex problem our President has a simple hairbrained solution. 

 

Next up: the future of Ukraine. 

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@chariot_badges wrote:

This will affect everybody ... including you.

We're going to be uncomfortable for about six months ... maybe a year.

 

We're going to be ok.  

 


Last time I read a post from you it was 6 mos, now it's maybe a year.

Will it be 18 mos. in a few more weeks?

I could imagine how patient you'd be if this was done by the dems

The past 4 years all I heard was complaining, and back then we had a growing economy , not a tariff apocalypse.

 

“When the people shall have nothing more to eat, they will eat the rich.” - Jean-Jacques Rousseau
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What you're stating inherently realizes something must change with our system.  Trump represents this needed change.  Today's job market release substantiates the path we're on: 228,000 new jobs under Trump.  Imagine when trillions and trillions of investment dollars begin to kick in with hundreds of thousands of new, well paying, non-goverment jobs.  We're on the right path, I have no doubts.

 

Ignorance is bliss....

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@chariot_badges wrote:

This will affect everybody ... including you.

We're going to be uncomfortable for about six months ... maybe a year.

 

We're going to be ok.  

 


People that live paycheck to paycheck can't afford that.

 

And you nor anyone else knows how long this will last as there are too many variables.  It is all guesswork at this time, even by those that are highly educated regarding economics as there are too many things in flux.  Once the chaos settles, then it will be easier to try predict how long and how deeply this will affect the average American.


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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Not considering all the Government jobs that were lost.


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999
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@chariot_badges wrote:

This will affect everybody ... including you.

We're going to be uncomfortable for about six months ... maybe a year.

 

We're going to be ok.  

 


Please tell me how you think this is going to affect me.  

 

You know, so I can be prepared. 

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@chariot_badges wrote:

Very good summary.   VERY.

Everybody read ^^ again.

That's the plan.

 

Will it work?   I dunno.  I doubt that anyone does, it's never been done before ... not like this, and not to this scale.

But, if we don't so something RIGHT NOW, our economy will crumble within ten years.  Maybe sooner.

NOW is the time.  We're still strong enough to actually HAVE  a big stick.

 


"That's the plan."

 

Except it's worth noting that Mr. Trump responded to Chinese retaliatory tariffs thusly:  

 

“CHINA PLAYED IT WRONG, THEY PANICKED – THE ONE THING THEY CANNOT AFFORD TO DO!”  (His all-caps.)

 

Those are not the words of an elected leader carrying a "big stick."

 

Rather, those are the words of an elected leader:

  1. Who is convinced that he can charm and cajole people like Xi and Putin (Tulsi Gabbard would never, ever tell Trump that those two already have him, Trump, wound around their little fingers).   
  2. Who cannot bring Russia to the negotiating table (with Ukraine) with American threats of economic pain ("the likes of which Moscow has never seen before") and as a result is so enraged that he made it known that he is "p*ssed off" at Moscow (other than stone silence, no reaction thus far to that from Putin).
  3. Who cannot deter (this past week) China from encircling Taiwan and staging two days of live fire military exercises around the island nation (an unsubtle reminder of US impotence to prevent Russia from projecting power in its own backyard).
  4. Who has a razor thin majority in the House -- remember that even lowly congress-people have constituents to whom they must deliver services, or risk losing their own jobs.  (Tip O'Neill once quipped "All politics is local.")
  5. Whose control of the majority in the Senate did not preclude this week's Senate resolution, passed by a 51-48 vote, that would end Mr. Trump's emergency declaration on fentanyl that underpins tariffs on Canada.
  6. Who is known for dismissing the advice of experts and following his "instincts" and who has all but admitted that that he taking an enormous gamble.

I happen to share Mr. Trump's views on reasserting the primacy of American interests -- something that we have long neglected.

 

But the days of "sticks" -- especially vis-a-vis other global powers -- has been over for some time now.  

 

As his all-caps reaction (above) to China's countermoves illustrate, the problem with someone like him -- at heart an entertainer and raconteur who puts more of premium on polls and making headlines than he does on actually governing -- is that he has shown his not-so-subtle "negotiating strategy" hand one too many times and now that he is being asked by Beijing to up the ante, he may feel compelled to something even potentially more destructive.  

 

(Remember what Mr. Trump's former lawyer, Roy Cohn, told him about responding when someone "hits you."  This dynamic is central to Mr. Trump's thinking and in my assessment is what is fueling much of the seemingly capricious and indeed, nihilistic slashing and eviscerating aimed at the USG civil service. )

 

My guess is that no one had the nerve to tell Mr. Trump that China would meet the American challenge and up the ante.   

 

I will now be looking for indications that the US has to back down in some fashion.  Certainly the Senate resolution from the other day provides an opening for the House to follow (that will be interesting to watch) that might alleviate the pain overall for the American public.

 

It will be even more interesting to see how Mr. Trump finesses being humiliated for bad decisions -- if indeed he allows his ego to take second place to the interests of much of the American public, should things deteriorate in the coming months.

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I also sell antique American Made Goods to mostly US Customers and there is no Tariff involved. I would expect US sales in the US to increase. 

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You are right, for EBAY sellers that sell 99 cents coffee cups made in China  , hopeful these sales will dry up and the unique and unusual items will be purchased instead.

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In reference to the Tariffs: I find it VERY troubling that all the talking heads and experts defending tariffs keep saying "We think" "We believe" and "we hope" tariffs will be effective and 6-12 month we will POSSIBLY see results. 

 

Yea? What happens if it doesn't work? What happens if this things blows up into a melt down?  It's not inspiring or a confidence boost when experts are using words like believe, hope, and possibly to describe the result they THINK may happen. I'm as conservative as anyone could be, and even I see the disaster coming. 

 

Honestly, I think tough times are coming like a tsunami and it's gonna get us in the next couple of months. I foresee lots of people losing jobs, being broke and times getting tougher than any of us have ever lived before. How that translates to selling, well, isn't that obvious? People can't spend money they don't have or can't borrow.  That means many sellers might just get to keep their inventory hanging around and admiring it. 

 

I was fortunate as a younger kid, to have a long conversation with my grandmother, who lived though the depression. She told me what day to day life was like, how poor people were, and what it took to live day to day. Anyone cheering now they could "get through it and survive it" are fooling themselves. We are FAR removed from those times, and 99% of people do not have the instincts or the ability to live like that. Which one of you rewashes and reuses ziplock bags? Tin foil? Because that was but one small thing done everyday back then.  If a depression happens, I don't think sellers here have a worry. Because this place would collapse. No one would be buying ANYTHING. 

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@farmalljr wrote:

 

Yea? What happens if it doesn't work? What happens if this things blows up into a melt down?  It's not inspiring or a confidence boost when experts are using words like believe, hope, and possibly to describe the result they THINK may happen. I'm as conservative as anyone could be, and even I see the disaster coming. 

 


Then the tariffs will be removed.  The fact that the talking heads are using the language that you're complaining about means they're leaving open the possibility that you are considering, despite the fact that history shows the opposite.

 

https://www.usfunds.com/resource/the-surprising-history-of-tariffs-and-their-role-in-u-s-economic-po...

 

The Smoot Hawley Act of 1930 failed because of the retaliatory tariffs put in place by the rest of the world, which interestingly, have not only continued but increased despite the U.S. removing its tariffs.  As it stands, the world is tariffing the hell out of us now, but we get nothing in return.  The current move(s) are the precisely the opposite of what happened in 1930.

 

ETA: If you think I'm mistaken, take a look at the duties (tariffs) from around the world in 2015 (pre-OrangeManBad)

 

https://www.wto.org/english/res_e/booksp_e/tariff_profiles15_e.pdf

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@boomersbiz46 wrote:

I also sell antique American Made Goods to mostly US Customers and there is no Tariff involved. I would expect US sales in the US to increase. 


Can you explain why you think Americans will do more antiquing than they do now, when they'll have whatever lesser amount of available spending money after the price of virtually everything else they need to buy goes up? 

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