05-05-2019 03:46 AM
I sold a great electronics item yesterday that is brand new, sealed in its box. Just curious what the consensus out there is as far as documenting the box's contents. When I did the listing, I opened the box to verify that it was indeed brand new, still in original packaging and I included the serial number in the listing photos.
I can see where, if you open it, it's no longer considered brand new. On the other hand, I had a bad experience where an item I'm pretty sure was new in the box was refunded because the buyer claimed it was used, and I had no way to prove it. I know, as far as selling online goes, nothing is 100% safe. But, how do you all approach this, on those rare occasions we find treasures still sealed, brand new, and never opened?
05-05-2019 04:03 AM
I would call it New-Open Box and explain the reason that it's open.
i.e. This was a new/sealed item, I broke the seal only to verify that all the contents were in place or in good working order.
05-05-2019 04:54 AM
I can see where, if you open it, it's no longer considered brand new.
The solution is simple - if you are worried then don't sell it as brand new. That's what the "New-Other" condition and phrases like "Like New" and "near mint" and "Box opened to photograph" are for.
I had a bad experience where an item I'm pretty sure was new in the box was refunded because the buyer claimed it was used, and I had no way to prove it.
Even if you had checked the condition, the buyer still would have been refunded because you still would not have any way to prove it. Just because you know the buyer is lying does not mean eBay does. eBay sides with buyers.
But, how do you all approach this
I sell records. I list them as "used" and "sealed" and don't give it another thought. Honest buyers are not an issue, and there is no effective defense against dishonest buyers.
05-05-2019 06:33 AM
...the buyer claimed it was used, and I had no way to prove it...
Even if you were able to prove it, eBay would not care or consider your evidence. You would be proving it to yourself. The buyer on ebay is always right even if they are lying.
05-05-2019 07:16 AM
Why on Earth would you open a sealed box of anything?
05-05-2019 08:05 AM
Why open a sealed box? I thought I had explained why in the original posting. My question may pertain mostly to electronics, or items with specific serial numbers.
I have no way of knowing that a sealed box is really sealed by the manufacturer or simply re-sealed by the seller. And, when I sold a scanner last year which I thought was brand new (it was sealed, after all), the buyer came back to me a month later, saying it was used and missing components. I could see through a small opening/hand-hold in the box, that the item was wrapped plastic packaging, so at the time, I assumed it was brand new, sealed, unused, etc. When the buyer claimed it was used, I then had no way to confirm whether he was lying or whether whomever bought from him was pulling a scam. That, in a nutshell, is why I think you should open a sealed box.
Yes, I get that eBay always takes the buyer's side. It's a risk of doing business. It seems to me that opening a sealed box to confirm an item is indeed new and to get a Serial No, can be a way to mitigate some (certainly not all) of that risk.
What I've done is post the Serial in the original listing, both in the description and by photo; and I've provided photos to the buyer of the box contents. So maybe I screwed up here, but I'm interested to hear what other sellers do when they encounter a brand new item that's got great resell potential.
05-05-2019 09:02 AM
"When the buyer claimed it was used, I then had no way to confirm whether he was lying or whether whomever bought from him was pulling a scam. That, in a nutshell, is why I think you should open a sealed box. "
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But confirming whether the buyer was lying, or wasn't
is irrelevant at that point.
I'd have just listed All items in their Sealed condition.
Sealed could give you More or Higher sales prices.
That extra money should be able to offset an occasional 'lying' buyer who forces a return.
jmtcw,
Lynn
05-05-2019 09:57 AM
Well, if I'd known the Serial # before shipping the sealed item out, I would have been able to match what I sent vs what got returned. Alternately, I'd have known if it was even worth the expense of paying for a return.
05-05-2019 01:01 PM
@lu12-deals wrote:
But, how do you all approach this, on those rare occasions we find treasures still sealed, brand new, and never opened?
If it's found at Goodwill or a yard sale, it's not brand new and no way I would sell it without opening the package to see what is inside.
05-05-2019 01:20 PM
@kensgiftshop wrote:
@lu12-deals wrote:
But, how do you all approach this, on those rare occasions we find treasures still sealed, brand new, and never opened?
If it's found at Goodwill or a yard sale, it's not brand new and no way I would sell it without opening the package to see what is inside.
I have to disagree with that statement of not being brand new.
I've purchased many New or New-Old-Stock items at thrift stores, yard sales and the like and have left them sealed. They are absolutely new. I may open one up for pictures, but the rest remain sealed.
05-05-2019 01:42 PM
"Well, if I'd known the Serial # before shipping the sealed item out, I would have been able to match what I sent vs what got returned."
Again, I don't know how that would actually help at all?
"Alternately, I'd have known if it was even worth the expense of paying for a return."
I still believe paying the expense of a return
would be offset by the other sales, of unopened items, which you can sell at a higher price.
Lynn
05-05-2019 02:32 PM
Well, if I'd known the Serial # before shipping the sealed item out, I would have been able to match what I sent vs what got returned.
Correct me if I'm wrong but don't nearly all electronics have the serial number located on the label near the UPC code? If so and the box is indeed sealed with the factory tamper proof tape, that would be your proof.
05-06-2019 04:45 AM