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chrysylys · ‎11-16-2017

I'm seeing word that US Fish and Wildlife has decided to allow imports from Elephants killed between 2016 and 2018. Will there be a policy change here? How will this site determined eligibility of imported items?

Forget keeping up with the Joneses. Be the Finklegrubers!
OK kids, time to get the Dodge loaded up again. I hear 'Poppy's By the Tree' calling. This trip might be a long one too.

ersatz_sobriquet · ‎11-17-2017

@*madison wrote:
The Donald is lifting an Obama ban
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The Donald appears to be trying to undo everything Obama did.

Very rich people like to pay 60k to go on a hunt and bring back trophies. I'm sure the Donald has a lot of "friends" that fall into that category.

secretsquirrelisnowhere · ‎11-17-2017

@sharingtheland wrote:
Check today's news. The Donald is lifting an Obama ban on importing "legally hunted" elephant trophies from Zimbabwe and other places. Even though African elephants are considered threatened animals on the Endangered Species Act.

One of my favorite (sarcasm, despair font) quotes of the day:

But Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke, who installed the Big Buck Hunter arcade game in the department’s employee cafeteria, is intent on promoting hunting.

“Some of my best memories are hunting and fishing with my dad and granddad, and then later teaching my own kids to hunt and fish,” Zinke said in September. “That’s something I want more families to experience.”

How do you fish for an elephant?

What part of that quote even vaguely suggests fishing for elephants?

mistwomandancing · ‎11-17-2017

chipper01work wrote:
themagicmountain wrote:
US Fish and Wildlife is one of the most corrupt agencies
You can say that about any and every government agency.

And this is one of the nations where government agencies and those at all the levels are one of the LEAST corrupt of the nations of the world.

Imagine how terrible it is in so many other countries!

sharingtheland · ‎11-17-2017

@secretsquirrelisnowhere wrote:
@sharingtheland wrote:
Check today's news. The Donald is lifting an Obama ban on importing "legally hunted" elephant trophies from Zimbabwe and other places. Even though African elephants are considered threatened animals on the Endangered Species Act.

One of my favorite (sarcasm, despair font) quotes of the day:

But Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke, who installed the Big Buck Hunter arcade game in the department’s employee cafeteria, is intent on promoting hunting.

“Some of my best memories are hunting and fishing with my dad and granddad, and then later teaching my own kids to hunt and fish,” Zinke said in September. “That’s something I want more families to experience.”

How do you fish for an elephant?
What part of that quote even vaguely suggests fishing for elephants?

Words fail me ...

Sherry

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sharingtheland · ‎11-17-2017

@ersatz_sobriquet wrote:
@*madison wrote:
The Donald is lifting an Obama ban
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The Donald appears to be trying to undo everything Obama did.
Very rich people like to pay 60k to go on a hunt and bring back trophies. I'm sure the Donald has a lot of "friends" that fall into that category.

It's the only way to get Jr out of the country for long periods of time.

Sherry

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*madison · ‎11-18-2017

@ersatz_sobriquet wrote:
@*madison wrote:
The Donald is lifting an Obama ban
------------------------------------------------

The Donald appears to be trying to undo everything Obama did.
Very rich people like to pay 60k to go on a hunt and bring back trophies. I'm sure the Donald has a lot of "friends" that fall into that category.

Hmm, he might be having a change of heart, he's put the game trophy decision on hold until he's done a full review of conservation facts.

He did get a massive bashing on twitter though from many parts of the world, so I think that's why he's put the decision on hold.

ersatz_sobriquet · ‎11-18-2017

@*madison wrote:
@ersatz_sobriquet wrote:
@*madison wrote:
The Donald is lifting an Obama ban
------------------------------------------------

The Donald appears to be trying to undo everything Obama did.
Very rich people like to pay 60k to go on a hunt and bring back trophies. I'm sure the Donald has a lot of "friends" that fall into that category.
Hmm, he might be having a change of heart, he's put the game trophy decision on hold until he's done a full review of conservation facts.

He did get a massive bashing on twitter though from many parts of the world, so I think that's why he's put the decision on hold.

Yep. Just have to wonder what forces are at work that are making him reconsider. It sure isn't those rich Americans who want to go on those 60k hunts. Would love to know just what political forces are working behind the scenes!

From TIME:

This is what got to Trump imho:

"California Rep. Ed Royce questioned the action because of concerns not only about African wildlife but U.S. national security, citing the political upheaval in Zimbabwe, where the longtime president was placed under house arrest this week by the military.

“The administration should withdraw this decision until Zimbabwe stabilizes,” the committee chairman said in a statement. “Elephantsand other big game in Africa are blood currency for terrorist organizations, and they are being killed at an alarming rate. Stopping poaching isn’t just about saving the world’s most majestic animals for the future — it’s about our national security.”"

This is what is in the TIME article that Trump couldn't care less about imho:

"The world’s largest land mammal, the African elephant has been classified as threatened under the U.S. Endangered Species Act since 1979.

Illicit demand for elephant ivory has led to devastating losses from illegal poaching as the natural habitat available for the animals to roam has also dwindled by more than half. As a result, the number of African elephants has shrunk from about 5 million a century ago to about 400,000 remaining. And that number continues to decline each year."

chipper01work · ‎11-18-2017

@smenkveld wrote:
There will be no policy change with ivory items on ebay because antique ivory is legal to sell as long as it doesn’t leave the USA but ebay still bans it and sometimes ebay even bans the word ivory in listings. There are a few better venues than ebay for selling antique ivory I sell a lot of it from antique keyboards that I salvage to artists and jewelry makers on other venues

Better tread lightly. There are some very complicated new laws regarding antique ivory.

What Can I Do With My Ivory?

On July 6, 2016, a near-total ban on commercial trade in African elephant ivory went into effect in the United States. The information on this webpage is intended to provide guidance for those who wish to buy, sell, or otherwise trade in elephant ivory.

Here is the US Fish and wildlife page dealing with it.

https://www.fws.gov/international/travel-and-trade/ivory-ban-questions-and-answers.html

secretsquirrelisnowhere · ‎11-19-2017

@sharingtheland wrote:
@secretsquirrelisnowhere wrote:
@sharingtheland wrote:
Check today's news. The Donald is lifting an Obama ban on importing "legally hunted" elephant trophies from Zimbabwe and other places. Even though African elephants are considered threatened animals on the Endangered Species Act.

One of my favorite (sarcasm, despair font) quotes of the day:

But Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke, who installed the Big Buck Hunter arcade game in the department’s employee cafeteria, is intent on promoting hunting.

“Some of my best memories are hunting and fishing with my dad and granddad, and then later teaching my own kids to hunt and fish,” Zinke said in September. “That’s something I want more families to experience.”

How do you fish for an elephant?
What part of that quote even vaguely suggests fishing for elephants?
Words fail me ...