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My eBay used to take me to a list of all of my sale listings.  I could select Ending Soonest of Newly Listed.  On the right was a drop down list of actions I could take with each item.  I can no longer get this display.  The current page allows no action but Edit.

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@roundo4202 

 

I tagged your post. You will see that there are many many angry sellers in regards to eBay's new selling page. I have seen a few sellers actually pull down their listings over this...

 

 

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@roundo4202 

 

From the choices below, which screen are you seeing now and which screen are you trying to get back to?

 

ShipScript has been an eBay Community volunteer since 2003, specializing in HTML, CSS, Scripts, Photos, Active Content, Technical Solutions, and online Seller Tools.
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I believe I see either #4 or #5 depending on how I access my Seller pages.  But I miss #1.  I can't seem to find a way to change the format from Ending Soonest to Newly Listed.  And the options on the current left are not a complete as the options that were on the right in #1.

 

I hate to be a complainer - and I attempt to adapt to change.  But I don't understand why change on eBay seems to always remove previous enablements - that I can see no reason for their removal.  Does eBay ever consult with Seller users before making changes?

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@roundo4202 

 

I don't much care for #4 and #5 either.

 

From screen #4, you should see the option at the top right to switch back to either Classic view #1  or Seller Hub #3. Or go directly using this link:

https://my.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MyEbayBeta&CurrentPage=MyeBayNextAllSelling

 

I use Seller Hub #2, which is the bulk lister and it is nearly identical to Seller Hub#3 (I haven't quite figured out why I can return to #3 from #4, but then ultimately land in #2).  I always click the "Sell" link in eBay's header to get to #2, which is my active selling  grid in the Hub.

 

Seller Hub views #2 and #3 offer the same level of detail available in #1.   eBay is moving Business-registered sellers to Seller Hub.

 

If you can't get back to the Classic All Selling view #1, you may want to switch to the Seller Hub to return to a grid format that is more comfortable to you.

Seller Hub Help Pages:

https://www.ebay.com/help/selling/selling-tools/seller-hub?id=4095

https://pages.ebay.com/seller-center/listing-and-marketing/seller-hub.html

 

Clicking this next link will take you into Seller Hub, so don't click it if you don't want to go there:

https://www.ebay.com/sh/ovw

 

I use #1 under one account and #2 under the other account and hardly notice the difference.

 

ShipScript has been an eBay Community volunteer since 2003, specializing in HTML, CSS, Scripts, Photos, Active Content, Technical Solutions, and online Seller Tools.
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I have used this missing active selling page for almost my entire selling experience on eBay. I prefer it over Seller Hub and the listing format there. It's just so much easier to use and I can do what I want, and everything I want. I don't have to click on 6 screens to get to what I want.  I find it effective in finding listings that have problems ie. WEBSITE ERRORS with links that shouldn't be there, showing unanswered questions (that were answered) and being able to MARK AS ANSWERED. Being able to sort the way I want to and see 200 listings easily. It's a quicker and easier format to grab an overview. 

 

I am very upset that this page has been removed. Who's idea was it? Are you ready for the fallout???

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@shipscript 

 

They permanently got rid of the old seller's page...the page where everything was on one page and we did not need to use tabs.

 

We are SOOOO bummed.  We hate having to have separate tabs to be opened - we have to jump back and forth to see what was once all on one easy to glance at page.

 

...of course...we can have you work at eBay as a double agent and fix this mess for us...LOL!!!

 

Do you have an understanding as to why they cannot/will not have all of the info on one page?  Why they have to be on separate tabs?  Does it have anything to do with how this page interfaces with the rest of "My eBay?"

 

I am no tekkie (obviously)...I would just think that any update should be easier to use (or at least as easy to use) than the one that it is replacing.  I am wondering if this new update makes it easier on the back end but without much thought input for the front end.

 

😔

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@hurryagain 

My suspicion is that eBay has two tasks in mind.

1) There are too many flavors of branding on the site and they want all pages to have the same look and feel.

2) They seem to be designing for mobile first, with desktop as a poor second cousin.

 

Design flavors: I agree that there are too many design differences, and those should be standardized so that the same functions always appear in the same place on all pages and so that the buttons carry the same labels (as opposed to "change" vs "edit" vs pencil icon).  The original eBay tools were designed by different teams, and were sometimes third party tools that were integrated into the site.  Some were beta tests of new features that go rolled out and that deviated from the old look. Getting tools to look more alike will mean that more standardized resources can be used over again on each page, instead of creating a new widget each time a new feature is added. This improves developer efficiency.

 

Mobile first:  eBay is moving in the direction of a single design to support, which will work across all platforms. This will make updates much simpler because only one program module will need to be updated instead of supporting all the different variants and rolling out a plethora of changes for each, some of which might break something in one module while fixing something in another. 

 

The preference for Mobile is why everything is so many pages deep. By loading only the relevant data that fits on one small screen, the load on mobile users is reduced.

 

But, as to the mobile interface, I am in the camp that wants everything on one page at a glance so that I can see where I am going and from whence I've come. I don't like traipsing down blind alleys and then backing out again. That makes me a desktop user who wants to fully utilize my desktop real estate.  And mobile does NOT function the way I want it to on desktop, with its giant text and hidden sections and so much white space that I can't see any of the forest for the big trees in my face and waste a lot of time moving around to get where I'm going. I suspect eBay's research has shown that most users are on a mobile device of some sort, while my suspicion is that most sellers are on desktop.

 

Google has shown me that 92% of my online tool users (eBay sellers) are on desktop, so I try to provide the big picture in one screen. The only time it is necessary to go to another screen is when that next screen can't be shown initially because it has some dependency on specific user-entered data or processing results. 

 

ShipScript has been an eBay Community volunteer since 2003, specializing in HTML, CSS, Scripts, Photos, Active Content, Technical Solutions, and online Seller Tools.
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@shipscript 

 

Thank you for your post.

 

Excellent points.  I could tell that they were navigating to a mobile style format when  they rolled out the purchase history pages.  It may make sense from a BUYER'S POV but as you said, most sellers are using a PC of some sort so it makes it very difficult for the seller's.

 

I am going to assume that you are going to tell me no - that it would not work from the programmer's end but I will ask anyway...

 

Is there a way for eBay to keep the buyer's format the way that it is while having a different seller's platform/style?  One that could keep our layout on one page that you yourself like as well?

 

Thank you for your expertise and insight.  🙂

 

 

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You are asking great questions that show some thought about the process.

 

There is no reason to keep buyer and seller layouts identical, since seller tools are not seen by the buyer, and while a lot of the screen layout functions can be shared, they certainly don't have to be laid out the same way. However, it gets more complicated.

 

There is growing acceptance of the mobile app among casual sellers, particularly now that the app includes a few snazzy tools that are not available to the desktop sellers. But the app is an entity unto itself — a different programming language for the app user interface than the web browser interface that desktops use; so eBay can only try to keep appearances  the same because they will still have to write separate programs for the browser and for the app. 

 

Additionally, there are tablets and small devices that can open a web browser to access eBay, rather than using a mobile app.  That situation is where code standardization makes sense, and that is where it is possible to shuffle components on the page (and eliminate wasted white space).

 

The dilemma is the pointing device. Most tablet devices use touch screens; and thus the need for a lot of white space around the fat-finger buttons. While the new CSS stylesheets make it much easier to reflow pages to fit the screen, taking away white space would be a function of determining what type of pointing device is being used. I think, right now, instead of trying to determine that, eBay is just treating every screen as a touch screen, and we mouse users are stuck with a horrendous user interface.

 

One forum member made the rational suggestion that eBay let the user decide. Click a button to use touch layout and another to use mouse layout (perhaps in site preferences). That makes great sense to me because many of the screens can be reformatted in CSS stylesheets to remove the extra white space so that more can be seen at once, and the choice would simply load a different stylesheet.

 

This would not solve the problem of all the extra subscreens. It would seem possible that an "expand all" could work on many of ebay's layouts, but this would not work to bring together data that eBay has moved to entirely separate tabs. And I think that is where some of the pushback and complaints have come from sellers. Even if we can get a mouse stylesheet option in place of a touchscreen stylesheet, it still has to use the same underlying structure for both the mouse people and the finger people, which means all the tabs will still be there. The most the stylesheet can change is the white space, size and position of elements, and opening hidden sections (but even that much would make me happier with both the buying and selling pages).

 

We also need to loop back to programmer's time and effort. If all the layouts are the same (all touchscreen), the programmers don't need to worry about how that new mandatory field they've added to the touchscreen layout will fit into a mouse-pointer layout.  On the other hand, if they choose to support two layouts, then instead of supporting two different programs, they would still have to support two different stylesheets; and a stylesheet loaded into one browser may not be intrepreted the same way as a stylesheet loaded into a different browser, so changes would still be buggy.  So bottom line is probably to get everything working in the touchscreen (mobile) layout and take it from there later.

 

Oh, but wait. What about extensibility into the future? Are we ready for voice input? No? Then we know there is no end in sight to the changes eBay will be making.

 

ShipScript has been an eBay Community volunteer since 2003, specializing in HTML, CSS, Scripts, Photos, Active Content, Technical Solutions, and online Seller Tools.
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@shipscript 

 

WOW!

Your explanation of the process makes so much sense to a non-tech like me...eBay should hire you to talk to the masses here in regards to techincal changes...really.

 

Even though your explanation does not solve the problem (and eBay DOES need to solve it), it does help to understand what they are attempting to do and that does help dial down the frustration meter.  The most insightful thing for me was your explanation of all of the white on our screens...I could not for  the life of me understand why all of this horrible white space is so desirable but when you said that it was for the touch screen format, it was like DING DING DING!  That makes so much sense!

 

There is a post on this topic where a responder said that they googled some stats and found that 92% of eBay sellers (I am assuming full time sellers) use a PC.  Many of the causal onesie/twosie sellers probably do use a phone.  The thing is though...which seller brings in more business for eBay?

 

Just like the purchase history page...I used to spend about $2,000.00 a month here until they changed the PH page.  At one point - even in the new layout, we had the option to view up to 100 items per page.  They then took away that option and whittled it down to 25/pg.  I pleaded with them to at least give that one option back...crickets...so my buying here has dwindled down to between less than $100 to $3XX.00 on a good month...I was not about to "flip" through 8 - 20+ pages trying to keep track of 200+ to 400+ items in various states of transit at any given point...checking them off of my PH page(s) as they came in.

 

I can't be the only larger volume seller they have lost due to this.

 

And now it seems that they are preferring smaller volume sellers over larger ones.  I made a snarky comment that eBay is going to REALLY get back to it's roots - an online market for garage sales - LOL!...well I guess there is something to that comment after all.

 

I wonder...do you think that this rollout of the new seller's page is for the US only or do you think it's for all of eBay across the board.  Do you think that each country's site has their own tech programming/design team?  I hope not...I hope that ALL seller's from ALL countries have to deal with this...especially the seller's in China.  Maybe if they start a big stink there that might help get the seller's end a workable design. (Misery loves company - LOL!!!)

 

I am not against change as long as the change is logical, concise and works AT LEAST as well as the format it replaces.

 

Thank you so very much for your insight!  You made many points so understandable.  Just b/c someone knows the whats & whys does not mean that they are able to articulate them very well.  You have that ability - it's a gift!

 

I am going to forward your post to others.

 

eBay STILL need to fix this mess but perhaps your explanation of things will help dial down their frustration meter as well.

 

(If someone is reading this at eBay.. you STILL need to fix this)

 

Thank you again @shipscript 

 

 

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@outdoorgeardude 

 

I wanted you to read @shipscript post above mine.  This does bring some light as to why there is so much unnecessary white on our screens along with some other great insights.

 

It does NOT mean that eBay is okay...they STILL need to fix this mess but reading this post really does help understand some things and hopefully helps dial down your frustration meter.

 

Don't get me wrong...EBAY STILL NEEDS TO FIX IT.

 

 

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@hurryagain 

 

Thanks for the heads up - I had heard that this was a possible reason and like you say, it makes sense but it is still not ok.

 

The thought of using my phone to perform seller tasks other than responding to messages sounds like absolute torture. Truly. And forget about actually listing items. Hmmm ... let's see ... 27 inch screen with a full keyboard vs. 6 inch screen with a mobile keyboard? I like to describe the items I sell in detail for a good "buyer experience." No way I'm putting in that effort on a phone app.

 

Even still, I still don't buy the lack of functionality. You can have a mobile-friendly version and still allow more customization on various pages and tabs.

 

Big picture, I don't buy it, either. Other major companies have figured out how to have both PC-friendly versions and mobile-friendly versions. Hell, just create two different websites. If they don't want to pay to support two different stylesheets, then that's penny-wise and pound foolish. As far as compatibility with one another and on different browsers, I'm sure they can figure it out.

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@shipscript 

 

Thanks for this detailed explanation.

 

You speak of "layouts" and "stylesheets," but what about two different websites? I know that in an ideal world, everything would be under ebay.com. But haven't some companies done things like mobile.ebay.com (maybe even eBay did, I can't remember).

 

Most of the issues we're talking about is just the primary seller landing page / home page interface. Isn't there a way for eBay to detect whether someone is accessing the site via phone or PC and then just direct them to the appropriate site? Or make it a user default choice and then add a link if they want to change it?

 

I get the concern over resources required to maintain and support two different sites / systems and the integration of the two, but the alternative of alienating long-time eBay sellers such as myself should be factored into the equation.

 

I no longer enjoy using eBay anymore. I don't even like looking at the new landing page no matter how much I customize it. All of my tasks take MUCH longer to complete, which means I don't list as many items which means less commission for eBay.

 

The interface, regardless of its mobile compatibility, is objectively terrible. Both the deficiencies and redundancies of information/links is shocking.

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@hurryagain @shipscript 

 

You know what, I don't buy any of this AT ALL.

 

I interact with a multitude of websites on a daily basis and none of them look this bad or are harder to use. I just checked two of my banking websites (one of which has a link to the "mobile version") as well as several other websites where I have an account with a lot of different options, categories, etc. with which to interact. None of them have huge areas of blank space or boxes that are only a third to half full with the rest blank. Most have essentially the same format as the Classic View. Why? Because it's GOOD DESIGN.

 

Seriously, they've had 5+ years to come up with something decent and this is it? I have a box in All Selling under the Listings tab (one of the few semi-useful pages) titled "Selling Limits." It is at the top of the screen. It is always blank. I can't move it. I can't get rid of it.

 

Fine, Classic View isn't coming back. But Seller Hub could and should look WAY better and the functionality should be WAY better. It is simply inexcusable. Never mind the pulling the rug out without warning, despite past notifications. Think of all the time wasted and frustration by sellers who thought it was just a glitch that could be fixed. What a joke all the way around.

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