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cg2112
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So, I sold a broken iPhone recently.
The auction said that it was for parts only, and that the only thing that worked was charging and the buttons.
I did make a mistake on the listing - I listed it as 512G, but it was 256G, which was an accident (I selected the wrong item during the automated listing process).  In the auction I stated that the touch screen did not work, even though I recently had it replaced.  I said to consider the item a brick, and that I did not know what else might be wrong with it.

A person bid on the item and won, then started asking tons of questions about it, things you would expect to be asked before a person bids.  What accessories were included, where is the original screen, who is the carrier, did I have the original box, etc.  I explained to the buyer that the  phone included what was in the photo (just the phone), did not include the original packaging or accessories, explained that the old screen was replaced because someone broke into my car and smashed my phone.   I re-iterated that he was purchasing a completely non-functioning item. I told the buyer that if this was not his expectation, he could cancel out of the auction, I wouldn't hold him to it.

He eventually paid, and I shipped the item.  He received it on the 31st.  On the 12th, nearly two weeks later, he contacted me complaining that I sold him a broken phone.   He did mention the capacity difference, and I offered a small refund ($30 - about the difference between the trending ebay costs for a broken phone), and he refused.  I offered a full refund, and he refused.  He demanded a $130  refund or he would open a case with eBay, essentially attempting to extort money from me.  I explained, again, that he purchased a non-functioning item, I was up front about everything, and again offered full refund.

Yesterday, he opened a case with Paypal, his financial institution, instead of eBay, in hopes of getting the $130 refund.  Essentially, he wants the money that it would take to repair the phone.   In the report, he calls me a scammer, and goes as far so say that I told him in correspondence that I sold the original screen on eBay, and put a broken LCD on the phone.   Obviously, I told him no such thing, and can prove it.  I can also easily show that he bought a non-working, for parts-only item.  I can easily show that I re-iterated time and again to him that he purchases a non-functioning item. Further, I can easily show that I offered a small refund for the size discrepancy, as well as offered a complete and full refund.

eBay is asking me to provide proof.  However, they only allow me to provide this proof in the form of a single 1.5mb jpeg file.  That's not nearly enough to dispute the claim, or the numerous false claims made by the buyer in this case.  I called eBay, who told me that if I needed to include more information, I could provide a Word document to further detail the situation, but it turns out, the representative I was talking to was mistaken - I can only provide a single 1.5mb image file.  

I'm not sure how to proceed here.  The bottom line is that the buyer bought a broken phone, and is now trying to get money from me in order to repair it, but going through his financial institution (Paypal), rather than eBay, since he knows that eBay would not accommodate him.

Any advice on how to proceed here?  $130 isn't an insignificant amount of money for me, and there's also the principle behind this.




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You've already offered a full refund. Accept the Return and refund only upon the phone's return . Done.

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eBay is asking me to provide proof.  However, they only allow me to provide this proof in the form of a single 1.5mb jpeg file.  That's not nearly enough to dispute the claim, or the numerous false claims made by the buyer in this case.  I called eBay, who told me that if I needed to include more information, I could provide a Word document to further detail the situation, but it turns out, the representative I was talking to was mistaken - I can only provide a single 1.5mb image file.  

 

@cg2112 

 

Regarding this ^^^... I've heard of sellers fashioning a 'collage' (of sorts) to attach. It's pretty whack. Good luck.

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Sold for parts, or broken or not, you sent them a phone that's not as described. They purchased a phone you said was 512G and it's not. They don't have to accept a partial refund and be forced to keep it. You should issue a return label and tell them to please return it for a refund.  That's what a seller is supposed to do if you sent the wrong item or you made the mistake. 

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>> You've already offered a full refund. Accept the Return and refund only upon the phone's return . Done.

I've offered a full refund. They refused to accept it, and instead opened a case with Paypal.

They have no interest in getting refunded, they want to keep the item, and for me to give them them money to fix it.

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>> Sold for parts, or broken or not, you sent them a phone that's not as described. They purchased a phone >> you said was 512G and it's not. They don't have to accept a partial refund and be forced to keep it. You >> should issue a return label and tell them to please return it for a refund.  That's what a seller is supposed >> to do if you sent the wrong item or you made the mistake. 

Did you not read the whole post?

I offered a full refund. They refused.  They are only willing to accept a refund if $130, ad keep the phone.  


I do not want to “force” them to keep it.  I want them to return the item and refund them all of their money.  

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While that's a good idea, a 1.5Mb containing the evidence which disputes claims made by the buyer would be too small to be readable.

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@cg2112 wrote:

I do not want to “force” them to keep it.  I want them to return the item and refund them all of their money.  


Accept the return, then leave it up to them to return it.

Want to wish everyone a Safe and Happy Independence Day.
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>> Accept the return, then leave it up to them to return it.

There's nothing to accept.  I offered a full refund, they refused.

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@cg2112 wrote:

>> Accept the return, then leave it up to them to return it.

There's nothing to accept.  I offered a full refund, they refused.


What kind of case did they open on Pay Pal?

 

Want to wish everyone a Safe and Happy Independence Day.
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It was not as described, you even said you described it wrong.  As others have stated, you have to take it back. Issue a paid return label and refund when you get it back. If you don't, eBay will refund on your dime, let them keep it for free and ding you account for poor customer service

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I think what everyone is wondering is there is a difference of offering a refund and accepting a return and providing a return label.

 

You said they refused your offer of a refund.  You don't  offer refunds . You either go ahead and refund or you accept a return and provide a return label and refund when it's returned.

 

Refusing would be them keeping it instead of returning it. If it's not returned by so many days, as would be evidenced by the tracking info  on the return label then the case would close with them refusing to return it.  Is that what happened? Did you provide a return label and they refused to return it?  IF SO, let PayPal know that. 

 

 

 

OR were they refusing to return it until your provided a return label?  Because it  makes no sense for them to go to PayPal if you sent them a return label.

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You will probably lose on this one. The seller seems to always lose with ebay, if they want to stay in business. I would try calling again and continue to refute his case. Email him a return shipping label and tell him that once the item is received back you will issue the full refund. Try it at least. And in the future on all of your listings be sure to spell out the return policy in your description. You can pin a generally policy to your devices tray so you don't have to enter it all with every listing. 

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@cg2112  If you want to try to talk to someone at PayPal, which may allow you to submit more documentation, try this number 888-221-1161. eBay is not going to even try to help you since it was PayPal that file the dispute. eBay will just shuck you along then take your money, and tell you their decision is final.


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At this point, I cannot accept a return.  

I told the user that I could offer a small refund and he could keep the item, or he could return the item for a full refund.  

The user, in response, opened a case with PayPal.  Once that happens, I am no longer able to issue a refund.  

 

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