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BIN is ONLY wanting instant payment

I sell multible items to collectors who want to combine purchases.  My sales and I am led to believe  EVERYONE'S sales at this time are required to be instant payments.  This does not work for me.  Here is a note from a customer who is trying to buy several items for my combined shipping.

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Trinton this is a horrible policy change!! Not only is it sneaky, but it hurts both buyers and sellers. 

 

In the category I buy in, a seller may be listing hard to find or rare items. Those rare hard to find items must be able to be snatched up within two seconds by hitting "buy it now" and then "commit to buy"!!! There is no time to waste adding to the cart.!!! Your desired item will be GONE!! They go that fast! Loading the cart is SUPER SLOW.  And even if you by chance have time to add the items to your cart, then request an invoice, you get the dreaded RED letters saying this seller does not offer combined shipping discounts (which just is not true because I checked with my sellers).

 

so the only option we are left with is to pay for each item individually with individual shipping charges! This is very unfair to both buyers and sellers!!! We end up having to request a shipping refund even though eBay takes their cut even if refunded by the seller. Not only is it a HUGE HASSLE for the buyer and seller, it's costing us more money than is necessary. eBay is collecting unfair fees on these refunded amounts.

 

This is change needs to be revisited! It is AWFUL and very frustrating. I buy a ton of lower cost items from the same sellers which really adds up. I trust the sellers and they trust me as a buyer to pay when I am finished shopping. There is NOT time to add items to your cart! Nor is there time to pay for each one individually!  I hope we do not have to keep going through this disastrous policy change. 

 

Thanks for for reading this and PLEASE pass this along to someone who can help to get rid of this insanity.

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Can someone please give me the answer to my above post?
Why do we have combined shipping & payments for up to 1 month in our site preferences if per weekly chat we are being told everything is IPR.

This makes ZERO sense & has not always been this way , look at this thread do you see the sellers who have always had buyers purchase & wait to purchase more and pay all at one time & it is/was not auction but Buy it Nows and not letting stuff sitting in the cart either

I have always been able to offer buy it now without IPR
why have a check box for IPR if ebay is making it automatic?


Happy to clarify! We made some recent changes to immediate payment, but you can still offer combined shipping through the add to cart feature. Sellers who are listing higher priced items (like some automotive parts) would still be able to give their buyers up to 30 days to pay and receive combined shipping discounts when they have committed to buy.

 

Additionally, not everything requires immediate payment - this only applies to items under $1000 and would not apply if the buyer adds the items to their cart. With appropriate shipping preferences set up, combined shipping discounts would still be given via the cart function. If you check the box for IPR, then this would also apply to items over $1000. We found that most often, buyers who did not complete payment after committing to buy were actually taking sellers items "off the shelf", and then later down the road an unpaid item or cancellation would have to be processed. By requiring immediate payment in more instances, we hope to reduce the overall number of unpaid item cases. 


The cart is useless.

 

And are you sure you don't mean "we hope to increase ebay's bottom line becuse we don't refund overages paid for shipping FVF's when someone buys multiples and the good seller refunds the overcharged portion because the buyer has to pay for each one at a time"?

 

And it sure would **bleep** off a buyer who loses out on a BIN because they are too busy paying for their first one. It's not like checkout is super speedy with the junk coding on that page.

 

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@warningflammable wrote:

They (upper management) don't announce it and are not preparing their CSR's to properly respond to the issue because they want there to be confusion about it and let people think it's a temporary glitch to help control the outcry.  Same reason they're so slowly phasing it in - they feel they can get away with it if they can control the backlash. 

 

From my experience, this was first happening to overseas buyers and maybe some new user accounts.  It seems to me that they're adding new user accounts slowly rather than adding this to new categories.  The slower they phase it in with uncertainty about what's going on, the less vocal and organized will be the pushback.  It's very underhanded and even sinister given how they are profiting from this and leaving people to think it's a glitch that will eventually get corrected.

 

Further evidence of what they're doing can be gleaned from how they blocked the use of requesting a total from sellers the established way through the contact the seller options from the listing's page.  For many years now when you try and use this communication channel that was established just for that purpose, you get back an automatic message from eBay that the seller doesn't offer combined shipping so the message doesn't go through.  That (the seller not offering combined shipping) of course in the vast majority of situations not being true.  These sellers not only offer combined shipping but many state so within their descriptions on their listings but still we have these messages to the seller blocked.  That was supposed to be a glitch too that eBay was working to correct.  Years later not only is it still there, but they expanded that too.

 

 


This change is included in the Help page on the site for this process (http://pages.ebay.com/help/pay/require-immediate-payment.html). I understand that for some sellers with very specific products, this can cause some complications and am happy to pass along that feedback.

 

Ultimately, as you all are well aware, unpaid item cases are a poor experience for both buyers and sellers. Sellers have to wait for payment or to close the case for a fee credit and I see posts on these boards everyday discussing buyers who are upset with the unpaid item case that was opened against them. While this process is in place for a sellers protection, minimizing the times that this is needed is ideal. Our goal is to increase traffic on the site and boost your overall sales. By minimizing unpaid item cases, we are working towards streamlining transactions and improving the eBay experience overall.

 

These kinds of changes are often times not rolled out to all users at once specifically so we can gather feedback before changing the entire site experience. We use this feedback to make changes and improve our processes, so I thank everyone again for voicing their concerns so I can pass this along!

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Trinton, with all due respect...this is NOT going to increase sales for sellers. In fact just the opposite. If you look at what I buy, it is nothing short of ridiculous for me to be forced to pay individual shipping charges for each item. I buy a TON (yes, a TON) of small items each year on eBay, adding up to TONS of money. It is not reasonable to expect me to pay individual shipping charges on each item! It is also NOT REASONABLE to ask sellers to refund for each purchase!! We are ALL LOSING MONEY with this change.

 

I will be forced to STOP PURCHASING MULTIPLE ITEMS if I cannot request an invoice AFTER I complete all my purchases!! Adding to the cart is not always possible. I buy from my sellers AS THEY ARE LISTING!!!! There is NO TIME to ADD TO CART that does NOT WORK QUICKLY and no time to wait until sellers are finished listing all of their offerings.  Items move fast in what I buy! I need to be able to click BUY IT NOW and COMMIT TO BUY!! 

 

This is BAD, BAD, BAD!!!!

 

We need to keep complaining until this is changed back. Ebay is losing money everyday from this awful change.

 

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I understand how this can impact specific item categories. Overall by avoiding Unpaid Item cases, we will increase return buyers and traffic for the community. I definitely want to get these specific examples passed along. I will email you to get more details!

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No this change is not included on that webpage. What is written on that webpage is definitive, what is actually happening however is obscure, largely hidden to general users, and in many ways random or arbitrary in who it is affecting except that some eBay executives and IT staff would know of course what code changes have been made and when such that it is only impacting some buyers, sellers, and categories as they deem desired.

As I've written earlier, there is no $1,000 threshold as I tested this more than adequately to know that isn't the case. It's also not a universal change over all eBay int'l sites. Who is being impacted is undisclosed, sellers are not being advised of these changes to their listings but they are being misled that they have control over whether or nor they want immediate payment on their listings because this option/functionality is still part of creating a listing. No special announcements about the changes and how/when they are being implemented just surreptitious and casual revisions to help pages to support a false claim that users are being advised of these changes.
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As a buyer from Canada who mostly buys from US sellers because that's where the stuff I like usually is, I've never successfully completed a purchase with the cart. For whatever reason, if I try to pay for multiple items from the same seller, the shipping is ridiculously large because all the individual shippings have been added. Then, when I try to request a total, I get blocked with a message that the seller does not offer combined shipping, which is simply untrue when I ask the seller about it through an auction page contact link. Then the seller tells me to just click commit to buy on the individual items. However that button has been missing for what seems like a year or two now. I have, a few times now, given up buying multiple items from many sellers due to this nonsense. I'm limited to buying multiples through auctions that happen to end around the same time, but never buy-it-nows. I've been trained to hate and fear the cart.

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Because I had never used the cart, I never experienced first-hand as a buyer the problem owlgebra experiences but as a seller I have received this complaint from some of my buyers beginning years ago so that problem (which no reasonable person can call a "glitch") has been around a long time with no honest effort by eBay to correct it.

Given this commonality with the automatic messages we receive when requesting a total from sellers the long established way (the requests that get blocked by eBay with the outright lie that the seller doesn't provide combined shipping to discourage us from asking again via another route and after having wasted our time with the first message) one needs to see that this is deliberately done by eBay. Most buyers can't be bothered complaining either to the seller directly and certainly not to eBay knowing they'll generally have to wait on the phone with eBay and probably never get a true resolution anyway. Most of the CSR's having been trained to respond to such calls that this is a "glitch" and "it's being worked on". Just more lies not that the CSR's necessarily know that they're propagating lies at the behest of their bosses.

I have no way of knowing how many potential buyers were lost to me due to this issue - potential buyers that were annoyed and who may have believed that no combined shipping discounts were offered when in fact they were gladly provided. Even with my long-term knowledge of this problem as a seller, I never contacted eBay about it but just silently tolerated it in large part because it wasn't affecting all users. It is only now that I have been affected by it as a buyer and given the responses I received from various levels of eBay staff about it that I got upset enough about it now to be more vocal. eBay is therefore not really hearing the vast majority of complaints about this and that's how they want it to be given how slowly, selectively, and deceptively they are rolling this "change" into large effect.

The supervisor I spoke with about this about a week ago offered to and told me she would send me by email the original announcement eBay made about this change from years ago. She never did however but having looked at some things online outside of eBay, this announcement appears to go back to the Spring of 2013. That announcement also stated that the phase-in would be complete by the end of that year (2013). So that may be why the supervisor never sent me a copy because the announcement was not consistent with what is actually taking place. 4 years later, eBay is still surreptitiously "phasing it in". They obviously most have learned in that year (2013) that the outcry was too strong so irrespective of the negative user experience they decided that they needed to be more underhanded about pushing this forward.

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Never disappointed with the...

 

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...they put on things!

“It took me quite a long time to develop a voice, and now that I have it, I am not going to be silent” ― Madeleine K. Albright

Great! 45.8% down over the same time last year with 2x+ items listed. Are you impressed? I'm certainly not!
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Are you sure that is the reason the buyer cannot buy from you?

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Hi
You go to your paypal preferences on your mobile and uncheck immediate payment required.
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You are 100 % correct. The Ebay drones just do not get it
Bubba Redneck
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Thanks - but people are talking about involuntary immediate payment due, even AFTER they have changed their preference.
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Disgraceful.
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@labs118 wrote:

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Can someone please give me the answer to my above post?
Why do we have combined shipping & payments for up to 1 month in our site preferences if per weekly chat we are being told everything is IPR.

This makes ZERO sense & has not always been this way , look at this thread do you see the sellers who have always had buyers purchase & wait to purchase more and pay all at one time & it is/was not auction but Buy it Nows and not letting stuff sitting in the cart either

I have always been able to offer buy it now without IPR
why have a check box for IPR if ebay is making it automatic?


Happy to clarify! We made some recent changes to immediate payment, but you can still offer combined shipping through the add to cart feature. Sellers who are listing higher priced items (like some automotive parts) would still be able to give their buyers up to 30 days to pay and receive combined shipping discounts when they have committed to buy.

 

Additionally, not everything requires immediate payment - this only applies to items under $1000 and would not apply if the buyer adds the items to their cart. With appropriate shipping preferences set up, combined shipping discounts would still be given via the cart function. If you check the box for IPR, then this would also apply to items over $1000. We found that most often, buyers who did not complete payment after committing to buy were actually taking sellers items "off the shelf", and then later down the road an unpaid item or cancellation would have to be processed. By requiring immediate payment in more instances, we hope to reduce the overall number of unpaid item cases. 


I have a buyer who asked if I would be willing to let him "buy it now" one of my auction listings and pay me in 7 days.

Since the buy it now price is considerably more than my auction opening bid and I told him I would be willing to wait the 7 days.

Now he messages me back that ebay is requiring immediate payment when he clicks buy it now.

HOW IS THIS HELPFUL? I WOULD RATHER DEAL WITH MORE UNPAID ITEM CASES THAN LOOSE SALES!

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