07-29-2018 05:05 PM
I've read several posts about AC performance on the old R12 vehicles that have been retrofit to R134a. I'd like to offer a few suggestions that might help those with systems that can't quite keep up.
Model Year Changes
The vehicles sold in the North American market up through model year 1992 had R12 refrigerant. Those systems also had been sized for the cooling properties of R12. With R134a, the climate was hot enough for them to inadequate. On an 85 degree day with moderate humidity, it was fine. Give it a 98 degree day in Birmingham AL, Atlanta GA or Orlando FL and it could not keep up.
Manufacturers recognized the deficiency and changed the AC system for 1993. For 1993 most systems were changed to R134a refrigerant and a booster fan was added to the condenser to make up the R134a's efficiency gap on cooling. Those 1993 to 1996 systems worked quite well. I had many of them and they had no problems cooling in a hot climate.
Improving Efficiency
Short of tearing apart the dash and underhood areas, swapping lines, rewiring and other fun things, retrofitting a 1992 and earlier car for the later components is not easy. For most people, it will never be worth the engineering effort so I am going to offer a few suggestions that might help.
Keeping in mind that the 1992 and earlier system is sized for R12, the following list of improvements will help. At this point, all that you can do is try and reduce the heat load and improve the efficiency of the existing system.
As you drive, the airflow goes across the condenser just fine due to air pressure. But, at idle, here is where the foam seals and better fan clutch will shine.
07-29-2018 11:16 PM
I know a guy, cheap. Drives a 1976(?) Dodge Diplomat. AC went dead about six years ago, so, he askes me about the above. Shaking my head, I explain the above and tell him the upgrade costs more than the value of the car. Six years later, I find out he is still driving that thing.
07-30-2018 11:19 AM
I haven't had an R12 car that needed freon in a while but people were converting them back in the day because R12 was supposed to become extinct, or at least cost way too much. A car designed for R12 blew air as cold as newer models so if you could still get it, that was what you should have used. Converting to 134 often gave mediocre results. Companies came out with substitutes for R12 and some worked great but some had flammable ingredients. Still have half full 30 pound drum of Autofrost. Seems to work just fine in R12 systems.
07-30-2018 01:43 PM
The above post is what I shared on the Volvo board. There are still a lot of 240 owners out there who do this dance every year, wondering how to get their car to cool down. Here's exactly what I posted on the Volvo board, unedited:
I've read several posts about AC performance on the old 240 vehicles. I'd like to offer a few suggestions that might help those with systems that can't quite keep up.
Model Year Changes
The 240s sold in the North American market up through model year 1990 had an old-styled expansion device to meter refrigerant. Those systems also had been sized for a climate of Sweden or somewhere like Toronto Canada. As those cars became popular in the US and traveled to the Southern states, the climate was hot enough for them to inadequate. On an 85 degree day with moderate humidity, it was fine. Give it a 98 degree day in Birmingham AL, Atlanta GA or Orlando FL and it could not keep up.
Volvo recognized the deficiency and changed the AC system for 1991. It was basically a GM evaporator, accumulator and orifice tube grafted into their existing refrigeration circuit. The compressor cycled based upon the low side pressure and the cooling capacity was greatly enhanced. For 1993 the system was changed to R134a refrigerant and a booster fan was added to the condenser to make up the R134a's efficiency gap on cooling. Those 1991 to 1993 systems worked quite well. I had many of them and they had no problems cooling in a hot climate.
Improving Efficiency
Short of tearing apart the dash and underhood areas, swapping lines, rewiring and other fun things, retrofitting a 1990 and earlier 240 for the later components is not easy. For most people, it will never be worth the engineering effort so I am going to offer a few suggestions that might help.
Keeping in mind that the 1990 and earlier system is undersized for a hot climate, the following list of improvements will help. At this point, all that you can do is try and reduce the heat load and improve the efficiency of the existing system.
As you drive, the airflow goes across the condenser just fine due to air pressure. But, at idle, here is where the foam seals and better fan clutch will shine.
07-31-2018 08:22 PM
I've done a lot of R12 to R134 swaps and never had an issue. Most of them involved changing nothing except possibly an orifice tube.
They got just as cold as the prior R12 the car was fitted with.
One Mercury I did a change on was spitting out sub 30 degree air on a 105 degree day. When you get a 70+ degree drop over ambient temperature then you're really onto something.
08-01-2018 05:13 AM
We've had these discussions before. There is no way that you can get "sub 30 degree" air out of a car's air vents on a 105 degree day. With the incoming air, or even recirculation, the lowest temperature that you can get on the evaporator before it ices up is 33 degrees. Beyond that it ices up and air flows around the ice.
When you measure airflow across the coils, unless the fan is on very low speed, you are not going to get "sub 30 degree" air. It is impossible.