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When I started this group a few miles ago, we were a small yet comfortable group of friends who were sick and tired of the crud that was going on in the other group at that time. We had a mission I thought to stick together and learn from each other the ins and outs of model railroading. Along the way, we came to know each other in a more personal way and became involved in each others personal lives. We have been through deaths, medical problems and divorces. We have held each others hands so to speak as a family. Then came the "outsiders". Some became family members too and some did not and have left our fold. I'm to blame here since I let go of the reigns. Doug has been more lenient than I was and let in new blood to see how they would fit. He mostly emails me to get my opinion and then does what he thinks best. No problem there. We have gained a few very helpful and endearing members as a result. However, we are now at a cross roads that is partially my fault. The discussions have turned away from model railroading for the most part and have become just open season on any topic. Sure, I'm to blame again. Look at the activity in the "political" thread. I never should have opened that can of worms, but in my naivete, I thought we could have some fun posting jokes and poking fun at the politicians who generally make idiots out of them selves. But we went another way. I'll admit that I stoke the fire at times since I'm so hot blooded, but there are some subjects that just gall me! Enough. Notice how when someone posts a real question how we all jump in to help? Point as illustration: Gene's newest question about turnouts. It's early, but there is a lot of help posted already. This is what the group is supposed to be about; what I had intended it to be. Can we somehow get back to that feeling? Right now I don't want to post anything about my personal problems like we used to do. I'm not comfortable with the response I might get. Frankly, I don't feel like the "family" we used to be. Does anybody else feel the same way, or is it just me? The Founding Father and Princess the Wonder Dog B-) & :x
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I also like Dot's idea of governing by committee, but there are some drawbacks to it. There are times when a moderator or leader has to delete an offensive post before it is left posted for too long. If the "governors" all must consent before any action can be taken it could take too long since we are all in different time zones and don't all check in each day or whatever. I'm just trying to say that the idea works, but should not prevent one moderator from acting with expediency if it is necessary. If such an action is deemed necessary, I do not feel that the moderator who took the action should be chastised for a hasty decision. As for deleting whole threads and group membership management, I concur. Let the committee decide on the acceptance of new members or ousting of others. There has been some of this going on already, to which most of you have not been aware. Emails have been passing back and forth between the moderators and the leader ever since this group was formed. Actually it is my hope that this thread too can soon be deleted. B-) & :x
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I'm glad we're talking. I already mentioned that I think the P.I. thread should be deleted. So I "third" Dot's motion! I hope Doug doesn't stay too hot too long! One of us should try to get Bill to come back. Like I said..... "Everybody shake hands." Marc 😄
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What happened to my delete the Pol thread poll? Gone! B-) & :x
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It's there, Pete. I just voted....after I read your last post.....must "be you". BTW: 3/3 "Delete" so far. Marc
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Hello group, Well, I hope my words may be an encouragement to all of you during this unfortunate turn of events. I was invited personally by Pete, to join this group several months ago, while a member of another model railroading group. I love model railroading, particularly, but not limited to "O" scale. My model railroading time is most enjoyed during the winter months, but I also sell vintage "O" scale trains in my Gettysburg, PA., antique booth, so I'm am constantly devoted to the hobby. As many of you know I am also active in Vintage Railroading; restoration and operation of hsitorical locomotives, rolling stock, and particullarly passenger coaches of a by-gone era, primarily the Steam Era. I also love the history of railroading, especailly gathering all the information and photos that I can about Casey Jones, my railroading hero. I said all of that to say this: I have found this group to be a friendly and caring group. I have received much from you, not only in reponse to my model railroading questions, but also from the close family-like ties (no pun intended) that are developed here. My hope is that I have contributed something as well, to all of you. All of my posts have been either model railroad or vintage railroad related, with the exception of a Civil War post, and the Memorial Day post to honor the fallen. I have never posted in the "Politically Incorrect" discussion, and did not even bother to read it and several other of the discussions, as they did not interest me. I do agree with Pete, that something posted in fun, can get out of hand. I also agree with Doug in that he doesn't want to censure anyone's opinion in that discussion. It is certainly a can of worms, and I will vote to eliminate it. I'm not opposed to fun posts about everday life - that makes this group unique. Some of you may know that I am the leader of an eBay discussion group as well. I won't mention it without permission. In my group we stay strictly to the subject, but have a little latitude for fun as well as some good clean jokes, related to the subject. In my group, I would not allow some of the discussions that are posted here, not becasue they are bad, but because they are not related to our focus. Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy many of your off topic posts, and do think that you should continue them, as they are beneficial to the group. That's one of the reasons that I enjoy this group so much. Reading the previous posts, I gather that the nucleus for this group, came out of another group, and things "clicked" from the start. Lately, I have noticed references to "outsiders" who have caused concerns within the group. Reading some of the posts in the last couple of months has caused me concern also, in that they seemed to be going in a wrong direction. Pete addressed this on several occassions - rightfully so. I guess my question is: Do I fit into this group? Am I one of the "outsiders"? Like Dave, I have posted photos of actual trains. Do they fit in with the theme of the group? Do my 1:1 scale posts fit in? Do my actual railroad posts bother anyone? If so, I will say; Thanks for the time I had with all of you, and politely resign from the group. I was sorry to see Bill, in Phoenix, leave the group. I believe he was a valuable asset to this group. I always enjoyed conversing with him. If my opinion is worth considering, I think he should be invited back. I know that I am getting long winded, bloviating here, but I have no qualms with the leadership. Doug and Pete have always been courteous to me, and I hate to see a schism develop here. I'm waiting for C J to provide some words of wisdom! :) Marc has provided some good advice: Shake hands, hug and come back stronger from the experience. Chappy Not preaching, just offering words of encouragement. :) P.S. If I'm still a member after posting this: I have some advice for Gene, about another live steam railroad to visit, meeting his criteria.
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Chappy you are part of this crazy family and have contributed greatly to my RR knowledge. we all were "outsiders" at one time or another. Knowing that, come clean with the steamers!! Gene
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Chappy (Steve)and Dave have contributed greatly with the 1:1 stuff. Although you have not been here from the beginning, you are very astute in the origins of this group Steve. I don't feel that you are an "outsider". Thanks for the encouraging words to the group in general. It was always meant to be a fun group. I'm sincerely sorry that Doug feels I have done something wrong. I am retired and alone during the day. I have no one of similar interests in the surrounding area; a model railroad void. Not even a hobby shop! People around here look at me as if I has three heads when I tell them I have a basement full of trains. So my model railroad enjoyment comes from you guys. Maybe I get overzealous at times when I try to introduce other topics into the mix. I only do it for fun. I hate discussions about religion and politics; I'm so bad at it. Not equipped for the fight. So, when my supposed threads go awry, I get discouraged, angry and frustrated. This group was never designed to be contentious. Doug, if I overstepped my bounds in your eye, I apologize. If I stepped on your toes, I apologize. If I caused you any personal discomfort for any reason, I apologize. Just please do not leave the group if I become the leader again. We will always need your input, wisdom and wit. That's all from me tonight. B-) & :x
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Ok now, everyone is sorry. We have all gone on long enough about this. Doug is a level headed human being and hopefully he is NOT going anywhere. He did the right thing and cooled down. We are all friends here so lets get back to the way things were!! I would like to make yet one more motion today. On Monday, can we delete this thread too!!!!! Dot
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I'll leave that to Doug, Dot. He is still the leader. Let's see what he has to say when he comes back from the fishing trip. Now I'm really finished. B-) & :x
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Chappy, You're not going ANYWHERE!! Dot's right.....I think we've all gotten it "out" Let's let it go...... Can we? Marc 😄
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This is model railroading group about trains in all scales from Z to 1:1 with a little fun on the side. I will also say to delete the Pol. Incor. thread, and any other threads that by poll that the majority would agree to doing. I am not sure why Bill left the group, but someone with a cool head should do everything he or she can to get him to come back to the nut house of trains. Lou PS If poll still available I will vote to delete otherwise you can count this as my vote.
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Lou and all, I have been in contact with Bill. He is having general health and mental problems again. If you all remember, he had that emergency surgery where they had to remove one of his kidneys last year. He's lucky to be alive. Mentally he has been fighting it ever since. He says that right now, as he did before, he just needs to hibernate and gather himself again. He was thinking of going even before this past week. I told him he was welcome back any time he wanted. Bill and I do email with some regularity, so I'll keep an eye on him. B-) & :x
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The poll to delete the P/I thread had an overwhelming majority to delete the thread, so the P/I thread is history, and so is the poll. CJ]:)
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'Nough said CJ! Marc
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Good. And best wishes to Bill and look forward to his return in the near future. Lou
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