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I'm looking for some practical experience to help me begin my quest to convert many of my favorite cars from Rapido to MTs. I'm thinking it might be easier and better to just "swap out" the whole truck, rather than engage in hand-to-hand combat with those darn little springs! To that end I went looking and found there are quite a few types of trucks. How do I know which to use? Is there a prototypical protocol, or is it a matter of "taste"? Will they all fit? Also, I went, numbers in hand, to a very good LHS. I didn't tell the guy I had the numbers. I wanted to see what he would give me. Sure enough, he gave me a different number! I divulged the number I got from the MT website. He said they'd both work. I took the ones HE suggested and it was a breeze! No alterations required at all. So, what's up with THAT?? I'd appreciate any suggestions, stories or help anyone can give. Marc
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Marc, Don't worry about recognizing the difference. You can if you study the Kadee site you visited, but Bettendorf did make their own trucks with a journal that neede grease, when it burned it was called a "hot box", and later Bettendorf went to roller bearing trucks. There are also Barber, another mfg., roller bearing trucks. Don't get hung up here. Most 40 ft cars had the Bettendorf truck = to MT 1000. B-)
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connrail
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Hi guys, In 1979, Railroad Model Craftsman magazine printed 4 different information sheets as centerfold pull-outs in their magazine for that year. They covered measurements, engines, cars & appliances, track, general history, etc. from 1795 to 1978. I looked through the cars & appliances sheets and found the following: 1903- Bettendorf Axle Co. originates the cast one-piece truck sideframe 1940- Archbar trucks are prohibited in interchange as of July 1 1953- Bettendorf T or L-section trucks banned from interchange 1966- ICC allows railroads to eliminate roofwalks from freight cars and lower brakewheels 1972- all cars having journals 6 1/2 x 11" or larger must have roller bearings 1974- gross rail load exceeding 55,000 lbs. per axle must be equipped with roller bearings I have personally seen most roofwalks removed by 1990 with the exception of CP Rail 40' boxcars and all American RR 40' boxcars were gone by the late 1980- Canadian 40' boxcars lasted until 1995 As for roller bearing trucks, I cannot find much info on types. The Walthers catalog and Kadees list roller bearing and Barber roller bearing trucks. I believe the Barbers are for 70 ton rating. My observations also: as cars were shopped after the beginning of 1968, roofwalks came off, brake wheels were lowered, ladders were shortened to 4 rungs and Bettendorf trucks were replaced with roller bearing type. Some gondolas were still rolling along with Bettendorfs in the 1980's and early 1990's. Hope this helps everyone. Tommy
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There were many times when the railroad left the roof walk on older cars and just shortened the ladders allowing access to the roof. These were older cars and were going to be scrapped soon so wasn't worth the effort of going all the way topless. Further, after removing the roofwalk there were and still are plenty of cars with high hand brakes which means there is a ladder allowing access to the roof. These cars all have to be stenciled (still) that there is no roofwalk and that roof occupancy is prohibited. Just a couple of oddities to show you that anything still goes in the real world which means you can find a prototype of something so9mewhere for what ever you want to create. prof
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Marc, Read post #14 AGAIN! Use the search button guys before you jump in and ask a question. We have a lot of information here that is not being used just because it is easier to ask again. I'd make a lousy teacher. I hate to answer a question more than once. Take notes and use your reference material would be my response. It applys here to. My dearly departed very German Grandma used to say, "Ve get too soon oldt, und too late schmardt". The CodcFadda :x
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But do I want short - medium or long shanks? What do "stock" MTL cars come with "out of the box"? I know....I KNOW.....look it up! Marc
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trmwf
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search the word "shank"
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Shank?? That's why I gave up golfing!! :p Marc
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Got it Prof. Short shanks! ;) Marc
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Once again, and finally, just for Marc. Short shanks are used for close coupling on short (40ft) cars or even medium (50ft) cars on layouts with broad radii curves. (24" or more) Medium shanks are used on mid-sized radii curves. (18" to 24") Long shanks are used on small radii curves. (less than 18") These guide lines are not mine but those of the experts. The reason being, that on small radii, longer equipment like 89ft cars, 85ft passenger cars and long engines like 2-8-8-2s have a large over-hang on the short radii and need the extra swing in the couplers to negotiate the curves and not pull the cars off the track. You should be able to see that the broader the curve, the less the separation of the cars from the smaller over-hang and therefore the ability to use the shorter shank couplers. This gives a more believable "realistic" look to the cars on a curve vs. the toy-like appearance of small radii and jerky looking cars on the curve. So, the summary is this. Your choice of shank length depends on two things: length of the car and radius of the curve it must negotiate. B-)
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This is for Marc, ginzokid (411 ) 01/18/05 04:29 AM (#14 of 24) Delete Branch Marc, Go to www.kadee.com and click on HO scale, then scroll down to "trucks&..". You will find a listing of the trucks they make and a brief history of each prototype. The MT site has similar, but not as thorough, information in the "products" area of their site.
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Thanks guys, I'm all "ironed out" now. I have mostly 40' cars and I will be buying a bulk pack of short shank roller bearing trucks and see how they do. Thanks for your patience and forebearance. (Yea, right!!!! Heap me with abuse!! Go ahead, do your worst! Rank amateurs!!! I teach!! I teach TEENAGERS!! I got your abuse "right here!!) :p 😛 😛 😛 😛 😛 ;) Marc :D Thanks, really
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I scored five sets of MT trucks today. I bought 2 pairs of Bettendorfs, a set of Roller Bearing, a set of Barber's. and a set of silver, 6 wheeled passenger trucks. The reason I only bought one each the last three is....that's all they had! I figured I try a variety and see if I like one better than another. I bought them at this great little shop. "Ye Olde Train & Christmas Shoppe" I've driven by it for years (literally), but it's appearance is so unprepossessing that I've never stopped in. I figured it would be a little "country" gift shop. Also, it's not really in a convenient location on the highway. We blow by it at about 60MPH on the way to our gig. Well, today, for reasons I won't go into, I had time. WOW! What a place! It's quite literally crammed with train stuff! They have quite a selection of N too! The prices are slighty discounted, but they are so "Mom and Pop" that by the time I was done talking with them and picking through the large display of rolling stock ( I bought 2 Atlas cars w/ Accumates) and MT trucks, he told his wife to take "another 10% off my total! It may be an hour away, but I will deaf-in-Italy go back! That's my train adventure for 3/29/05. Marc
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trmwf
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Well....long or short shnks????
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Prof, According to the MTL stock numbers they are short shanks. (The shop did have medium shanks.) After a very close examination of my own "NIB" MTL cars, they all seem to come with short shanks. So that's what I went with. I do have to put some of them together though! Marc
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I hope your curves are of the medium to broad variety Marc. Short shanks should work well on radii of 12" or more, as long as they are on 40 and 50 foot cars. B-)
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