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g-pa1
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For those of you that have or are familiar with DCC operations I would ask you... 1. Do all DCC systems work all scales of model railroading (as long as there is a decoder in the Loco)?And does an MRC Prodigy controller need a MRC decoderinstalled in the Loco in order to control the Loco? 2. Does DCC preclude having to wire passing sidings or yards to isolate them or can the DCC controller just shut down a loco on a passing siding without any special wiring? 3.If you have DCC or used DCC how quick are you able to get control of a Locomotive that may not be on the handset at the moment. In otherwords say you are immediately controlling No 2222 and it is getting near a No.4122 loco how quick do the DCC systems, that you have used, allow you to get control of the other loco to avoid a collision (or to shut it down in case it became derailed)? I do know that there is a panic stop for most systems. Is this the only way to avoid the collisions? Hope these questions are clear. Gene
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g-pa1
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After reading the above Let me amend the 2222-4122 siuation. Say you are controlling the 2222 loco and notice that the 4122 and another loco the 5111 are about to have a collision(yes all on the same track) how quickly can you get to and control the other two Loco's? Gene
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trmwf
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Gene, Not for sure as I have never, and will not ever mess with DCC, but I think it is just as quick as you can push the button that you have assigned to that particular consist. I'm sure Pete will straighten me out and elaborate more. Prof
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Gene, I'll try to answer your questions in order. Remember that I bought a top of the line system after much research, so my answers in part will be based on the North Coast Engineering (NCE) components. 1. All DCC systems, thanks to NMRA standards, work together, no matter what brand of decoder or command module you are using. So that answers part two of your question also. Brand X works with Brand Y with Brand Z and so forth. My NCE works with decoders from Bachmann, Soundtraxx, QSI and BLI, which are all the decoders I presently have installed, including the sound modules. 2. It is best to isolate the passing siding with insulated rail joiners at the frog end of both turnouts. This way, you can have a positive power feed to the siding rather than rely on just the "power routing" turnout to feed the siding. In any case, you should never feed a turnout from the frog end, which means you will have to put at least one insulated break in the siding, so why not totally isolate it to begin with. All this requires is four plastic rail joiners and one more set of feeder wires to the siding track. Just like a DC hook-up. So, it does require some wiring, but not much as you can see. However, if you don't do this wiring you are asking for a short circuit. 3. The panic button shuts down the whole layout immediately. Now the answer to your question lies in how fast can you type? Depending on the system you have, you either have to hit "select loco" then type in the number to gain control, or you can hit the "recall" button and scroll through the loco numbers by hitting the button repeatedly to gain control. My NCE has a "recall" button which can store up to 99 locos. In your scenario, I am on 2222 when I see the problem. If there is time in my estimation, I "recall" another loco by hitting the button which brings up let's say 5111, which I can now control and then hit "recall" again and get 4122 to control it. Of course if there are other numbers in between these I will have a lot of button pushing to do, in which case just hitting "select loco" will be a faster way to gain control. Again, how fast can you type? Since I have only 4 engines, the "recall" button is the faster way for me. Once you have the number on the readout, you have immediate control. You also have the ability to MU or Consist several locos together for those long trains needing a lot of power. These locos are grouped together and controlled as one. You can add or subtract from the MUed engines any time you want ust by adding or subtracting that engine number fromthe consist list. And the last part of your question was about a derail. I assure you a derail, which usually happens at a turnout, will generally cause a short and therefore an automatic shut down of the system. Now I suggest you do two things, Gene. Get the Kalmbach book, Easy DCC and also go on line to www.tonystrainexchange.com and read their "Guide to DCC for Beginners". It is down-loadable. Hope this helps. B-) & :x
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I'm with you prof!!! Homey don't do DCC! Marc
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Homey don't do DCC 'cause Homey is not informed. Homey just makes desisions without investigating the information out there. Which leads me to this post, and I'm sorry to say that I have to feel this way. I have put a lot of time and effort into two particular question today; DCC and cork roadbed. And what do I get, a post that tries to help but admits defeat and a frivilous post with no bearing on the subject except to express a personal non-informed opinion. I think Gene had some legitimate questions which I endeavored to answer and I get "fun" in response. There is a time and a place for everything guys, and this discussion is serious and I worked hard to provide the information asked for. Therefore, I do not appreciate the glib posting here and in other threads to my heartfelt trial at educating you. So, Doug, do what you want to with this post. But don't expect me to come forth as easily with information any more. I feel like I'm wasting my time. One POed CoddFadda
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g-pa1
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Thanks Pete for the info. I know they were complicated and I appreciate the the time it took you to answer. One more thing have you had any close calls or collisions yet? Gene
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Pete, (and Gene) Allow me to apologize for "making light" of a serious discussion. I realize that the nature (at it's heart) of this group is to help each other with model railroading questions and concerns. I don't think my comment was made "in fun" nor is it "uninformed". I was stating a fact, in agreement with another member, that, unless something totally unforeseen occurs, I will not, any time soon, be engaging in the use of DCC on my model railroad operations. I wish Gene all the luck and Pete is certainly the man to guide him in his endeavors in this area. Marc
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g-pa1
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Whoa, I need information to keep abreas er up with the times. I am not ready to nor do I think N Scale is ready to embrace DCC as the end all...yet. I am reading about how dirty track and wheels are interfering with DCC operation in N Scale and some of the complications that arise when two or more Loco's are on the same track. Those with experience in this are important information sharers. I think DCC will, for awhile at least, be like computers having to upgrade all the time esp. If a person buys a beginner set and then finds the need to upgrade. Information gathering can only further my understanding. I think though that DCC is the future especially if a person wants to run several Loco's on the same track. Gene
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Gene, No collisions yet. I have had to use the "panic" button once though. There are some excellent N scale DCC layouts a we know from reading the magazines. The key to operation in any scale is good clean trackwork and lots of power feeds to the rails. B-)
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janesew
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As they say, "With DCC you run the Trains and not the Track". A very large cash outlay and Gene makes a good point about the comparison to Computers. After running a block system for a couple of years, I am taking the opportunity of a new layout to install DCC. I don't have many locos to convert and will install decoders over time. I hope that the system will be a "one time" expense. I have joined a local Model Train club and hopefully will get some good advice and help from the members. They don't have a permanent layout but members have portable modules to set up for shows. There is a General Meeting once a month to discuss club business, ask questions, and attend lectures. Each Scale has their own sub group that meets during the month as well, usually at a member's house who has a home layout. They have just started a DCC Interest group. Fred - a card carrier... well, a "card" anyway.
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Fred, Have you settled on a DCC system yet or are you still researching? The Club experience should help you decide. I would give you my opinion, but that would show prejudice. I'll just tell you that after fighting it for 50 years, I exaggerate of course since it has not been around that long, I'm very glad I switched to DCC. Just be sure that any system you buy can be easily upgraded by you with minimum work involved. Email me if you want more info. B-) & :x
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janesew
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Thanks Peter, you've given me a ton of stuff already (did you forget?) for which I'm very grateful. I don't have to decide yet as I am still just laying the foundation down. I've received lots of opinions and all kinds of insider info. I'll let you know Pete... and I'll probably be calling on you again soon. F 😛
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My newest upgrade to the NCE system is in the mail as is the sound decoder for the Climax. I'll have my work cut out for me installing these components soon I hope. I'm doing this only so I can help Fred and Gene with their questions. It's not that I want or need these things myself...... B-) & :x
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g-pa1
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So Pete,once you've tested these components you will send them to Fred and then when he's done with them, he will forward them to me right? That will be just the amount of time I need to convince me that N Scale DCC is what I need to expand my basic 4 train layout to 6 or seven and to put that elevated track with a four turn helix above my existing track!!! Hummm maybe I better get stared on the helix. Gene
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