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Vintage famous handbag with a customs stamp inside questions.

If you magnify this photo you will see a customs stamp inside this handbag. 

The country code is for eritrea in africa near accross the water from saudi arabia.

This country was basically run by italy for many years and has no real or substantial natural resources so turned to being an import / export hub for the area.

 

Do you know anything about handbags with this kind of stamp from a well traveled handbag collector or affictionado?

 

What do the other numbers stand for and does the large part look like the shape of the country to you?

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Vintage famous handbag with a customs stamp inside questions.

So how and where do you get it professionally authenticated without any papers?

 

I actually put that in my second description; that it could be a leather producer or a customs mark but I could not copy it here without relisting it. 

 

What do you think of the mark possibly being a  leather producer from eritrea?

 

Who has the lists of the leather marks? 

Who has customs lists to compare it to also?

 

What evidence is that makes you think it is coincedence? Either way?

 

Funny coach counterfiet has nothing to say at all. I emailed them pictures too.

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@cedarwaxwing2015 wrote:

Everyone else called it a feed bag.

 


The official name for style 9085 is a duffel sac. "Everyone else" can come up with various names, some of which can be accurate or in line with the style and others that are totally unrelated to the style of bag but the sellers think those key words will help them sell their item. 

 

You can't depend on sellers to know actual names or dates of manufacture. 

 

 

@cedarwaxwing2015 wrote:

She said her two other family members were coach collectors and had told her it had to be a fake. That was like 2 weeks before ebay did anything about it and by then I had already removed it, then did hours of research and relisted it as controversial and if you do not believe it then do not buy it.  

Did you not read what I wrote above? You can't have disclaimers! You have to know what you're selling, know that it's as described and legitimate. 

 

As for the family members who are "Coach collectors," they can't be trusted! 

 

Also as I said above, anything connected to Eritrea is pure coincidence. The leather is not likely from there. 

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@cedarwaxwing2015

 

Like the others, I wondered why you were calling the stamp that says 232 on the inside bottom of this bag a "customs stamp" so I did some research.

 

It turns out that 232 is the Country Code for the country Eritrea according to ISO Standard 3166. More information about ISO 3166 and what it is used for (they don't mention anything about customs stamps):

 

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Here is the entry for Eritrea:

 

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With that out of the way, I agree with the others that this is probably NOT a "customs stamp". I think the number "232" has led you on a bit of a wild goose chase. I've never heard of a country putting a "customs stamp" on a designer purse, whether it was manufactured in that country or not, and if the experts on this board haven't heard about it, then it probably never happened.

 

I did see some hits in a google search about fish exported from Eritrea that were marked with the country code 232. I don't think you should extrapolate from that to designer purses though.

 

And definitely, customs would NOT put a stamp like this (in gold metallic) when the purse was carried across a border by a traveller. I have travelled quite a lot, and they put stamps in your passport, but not on your possessions. In my experience the stamps always use the name of the country, not a country code. The country code is used in the scannable part of a passport or immigration card, but not in the human-readable part.

 

I'm not an expert on Coach bags (far from it), but if they were ever manufactured in Eritrea, the experts here would know about it, and they don't appear to recognize that location.

 

I think it is much more likely that the stamp was from the leather manufacturer, and has nothing to do with Eritrea or any other country code. (As @fashionclubgurl suggested.)

 

I can understand why you called it a feed bag - the shape of it looks rather like a feed bag! (I like it heart_eyes). 

 

However, if @albertabrightalberta and @fashionclubgurl say it's called a Duffel Sac, then I'm sure they are correct. They are very knowledgeable.

 

You should follow their advice on this. If I understand correctly, they are saying this is an authentic bag, and you should be able to list it. Hopefully, they will be able to tell you what you need to do (and not do) so it doesn't get red flagged (carded) again.

 

I think that posting incorrect and unverifiable claims about a designer item (like a customs stamp) is a big red flag, and definitely using an authenticity disclaimer is a violation in itself, even if the item in questions happens to be genuine, as this one appears to be.

 

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@cedarwaxwing2015 wrote:

So how and where do you get it professionally authenticated without any papers?

 

I actually put that in my second description; that it could be a leather producer or a customs mark but I could not copy it here without relisting it. 

 

What do you think of the mark possibly being a  leather producer from eritrea?

 

Who has the lists of the leather marks? 

Who has customs lists to compare it to also?

 

What evidence is that makes you think it is coincedence? Either way?

 

Funny coach counterfiet has nothing to say at all. I emailed them pictures too.


Coach sourced their leathers from Italy and possibly other countries but AFAIK Italy is the only one whose supplier(s) we know stamped their hides. Why would they buy leather from Eritrea when they could get all they needed from Italy and probably Spain and South America?  I REALLY think youre making waaaaaaay too much of this Eritrea thing. But if you want to waste your time looking for 20-year old customs lists or leather supplier codes, thats your choice. Im not going to waste mine.

 

Amd why do you think Coach Counterfeit has anything to do with authenticating purses, especially old ones? Coach has NO qualified authenticators on their staff any more and havent had any for at least 10 years when they stopped offering paid authentications. Their Counterfeit division is there to work with government agencies on stopping present-day counterfeiters, importers and distributors, they have no concern whatsoever about 20 year old purses, fake or not. Ill put the knowledge of several people that post here including Alberta, myself, and two or three others against anyone still working at Coach, in their stores or their home office. And I agree completely with the opinion stated by "Hyacinth" in the "Authenticity Guides" section of the six Salearea Coach Guides posted here at Ebay about Coach employees and incorrect authentications:

 

Coach Authenticity Guides - Facts and Myths
http://www.ebay.com/gds/Coach-Authenticity-Guides-Facts-and-Myths-/10000000062607882/g.html

 

SALEAREA COACH GUIDES
http://www.ebay.com/gsr/i.html?uid=%22salearea%22&rmvSB=true

 

As for paid authentication services - theres only one that Id trust to authenticate Coach products. All the others, no matter what they claim, have made serious and to my mind inexcusable mistakes in authenticating that show their complete lack of knowledge of the brand.

 

If you dont believe us, thats fine, but youre spinning your wheels with that stamp thing. And no matter what it is and who put it there, unless as I said its from a Coach leather supplier (and that can never be proven either) it has NOTHING to do with the purses authenticity. If you break Ebays Rules by relisting an item theyve removed for trademark violations youre going to end up in serious trouble with this site that can incluse selling restrictions and even short-term suspension.

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@cedarwaxwing2015 wrote:

So how and where do you get it professionally authenticated without any papers?

 


Papers aren't necessary for authentications and in fact, aren't even used. Papers, receipts, boxes and other removable props don't prove anything. 

 

It's the details of the bag itself that prove whether the bag was made by Coach (and in this case it was) and an authenticator looks at the bag, construction, hardware, markings, stitching, etc. 

 

The company I've used for authentications of several different brands of designer items is authenticate4u. I like that company because they use different authenticators for different brands, ie., they have brand specialists. 

 

If you get documentation that the bag is authentic, you submit that to ebay and they'll tell you (in writing) whether you can relist the bag. 

 

HOWEVER, early on, I asked what your takedown notice said because it might not be necessary to submit a professional authentication, thus you might not have to spend the money for it. Sometimes listings are removed because of certain wording in the listing, not enough pictures, or some other reason that simply indicates that the listing needs improvement. 

 

Please post what the message said so we can advise you.

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Thanks for your investigation and comments. I believe alot of what you say is correct. I still wonder though about the import / export before they had scanners (especially a small, less wealthy country) and the difference between a single individual traveling and a store or outlet.

 

 

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yes, I did read and understand it, I was just explaining what had been done to anyone who had a comment. They do not all get to follow the whole thread sometimes and I wanted to be polite.

My partner has a green one these bags too but I do not know if it has the gold mark too. I have to find out.

Do you know what happens if I hit the accept as solution button or what it means to selling this?

 

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I do believe you and know about ebay removing one as a seller either temporarily or permantly. I just love learning everything I can and love facts and technical details. I really love the communications and folks disscussions here on appreciate it. I always want to know more.

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@cedarwaxwing2015

 

"I always want to know more."

 

If that is true, then why are you seemingly ignoring this post above?

 

"HOWEVER, early on, I asked what your takedown notice said because it might not be necessary to submit a professional authentication, thus you might not have to spend the money for it. Sometimes listings are removed because of certain wording in the listing, not enough pictures, or some other reason that simply indicates that the listing needs improvement.

 

Please post what the message said so we can advise you."

 

 

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I started to respond to @cedarwaxwing2015 again and decided that the poster isn't listening to any of us and I'm done trying to help.

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@albertabrightalberta wrote:
I started to respond to @cedarwaxwing2015 again and decided that the poster isn't listening to any of us and I'm done trying to help.


That seems 100% right!

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@cedarwaxwing2015 wrote:

Thanks for your investigation and comments. I believe alot of what you say is correct. I still wonder though about the import / export before they had scanners (especially a small, less wealthy country) and the difference between a single individual traveling and a store or outlet.

 

 


That has absolutely NOTHING to do with authenticity. And Im not even sure what you mean by "the difference between a single individual traveling and a store or outlet." If you want to keep researching a nonexistant issue, go right ahead. But it has nothing to do with why your listing was removed. And I dont think anybody else here with authentication experience of ANY brand will disagree with that.

 

Im not going to spend any more of my time talking about something that seems to exist only in your imagination and has no connection to the reality of vintage Coaches and Ebay removals. I dont understand your obsession with that stamp and what you think you can prove with it, but youre not even listening to the advice were giving you. I AGREE WITH RIVER AND ALBERTA - WHY SHOULD WE TRY TO EDUCATE SOMEONE WHO REFUSES TO LISTEN?

 

Im outta here.

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"And BTW, one of your posts said that Ebay listed "trademark violations" as the reason for removal, "

This is from fashionclubgirl who shows that I did post what the take down notice said. 

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Funny, alberta must have written you this in private since I do not see it anywhere here. Did she want you to post it? That's ok, you do not need to answer that. Alberta's information has been very good and I thought the conversation was great, had some wonderfull facts and opinions. I did not ever say I did not beleive what alberta said. I only asked  questions about things that no one has been able to have facts on. It does not mean I did not believe alberta. Honestly, the conversation was pretty much exhausted anyway.  It was good so see some nice colored text in your posts and I am glad you chimed in for the end.

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@cedarwaxwing2015 wrote:

"And BTW, one of your posts said that Ebay listed "trademark violations" as the reason for removal, "

This is from fashionclubgirl who shows that I did post what the take down notice said...

 

"Funny, alberta must have written you this in private since I do not see it anywhere here. Did she want you to post it? That's ok, you do not need to answer that. "


 

FROM YOUR OWN POST, NUMBER TEN !!!!!

"Yes, you found the correct listing I used.

 

The note I got was trademark violation. No opportunity or recourse offered before or after. One of two customer service hung up on me.  All claim I need papers to authenticate though most on ebay do not."

 

Not only arent you reading what WE said, YOU CANT EVEN BOTHER TO READ OR REMEMBER WHAT YOU SAID YOURSELF.

 

I rest my case. THIS "DISCUSSION" IS OVER. Im tired of tallking to walls.

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