Antique Dutch Blue & White hand Painted clock

[mich_55218]

Greeting,

I need your kind assistance. 

What is the fair price of this antique hand paintef

 

 

  

Dutch clock.

Hight 36 cm by 15 cm

The Clock mechanism does not work and there are some againg cracks. 

Thanks.

[alcoforever]

As with all antiques, condition is everything when it comes to value.

Your clock with its inop clock and aging cracks likely has a value very near zero.

Try listing in auction format with a 99 cent open bid and either correct shipping cost to zone 8 or calculated shipping cost.   That will give you an accurate indication of value.

[mich_55218]

Thank you for your reference. 

It sounds  to me too harsh publishing that piece at 99 cents.

I don"t think that 2 glaze cracks  make that almost 100 years old clock worthless.

[sonomabarn67]

Look at the bright side, it gives the correct time twice a day!

[sonomabarn67]

Also, I see a film of rust like it was in a flood.

[couturehomecollection]

Your blue and white hand painted Delft mantle clock with rococo scroll elements in relief features a fine pastoral scene of a fisherman with a windmill in the distance on front with floral design on sides and reverse. There is craquelure to the glaze. The clock has a simple time-only movement with a hairspring balance similar to what might be found on an alarm clock movement.

The clock is signed at the bottom with a handpainted underglaze blue BFK (Boch Frères Keramis) mark, with below it the number "150” and the letter "B”. The number 150 is as far as we know the decor number, while the letter B is the painter's signature.

This clock was produced in the famous "Chambre des Peintres Hollandais" of Boch Frères Keramis (now Royal Boch) in La Louvière, Belgium in the 1920’s. This was a special chamber at the BFK factory where handpainted Delft style ceramics were made in the best of Dutch traditions by Dutch painters hired from the Netherlands (from Delft and Maastricht).

The handpainted ceramics of the "Chambre des Peintres" was oriented towards the more wealthy customers, in addition to the main lines of ceramics from the factory which were produced for the more general public, in an industrial manner using transfer (printing) techniques. Est: $60-100. Thank you for sharing! 

[lacemaker3]

@couturehomecollection 

How do you know what kind of clock movement the OP's clock has? They didn't specify, they just said it doesn't work.

The mark does not look like any of these Boch Frères Keramis marks, according to this reference website. The letter B is visible, but not the letters F or K.

https://flowblue.org/a-little-history-on-the-pottery-of-boch-freres-keramis-and-villeroy-boch/#:~:te...

Your description of the clock and where it was supposedly made was copied word-for-word from the description of a vase sold at an online auction, which doesn't resemble the clock very much (it is polychrome, multi-colored), and has a different mark, which may or may not be from Boch Frères Keramis.

I think you have been deceived by AI this time.

[melda58]

Ah so I'm not the only one who caught on to this direct "lift" (sans citation) from another item and website altogether.  Google led me right to it.  

Rita

[couturehomecollection]

Hi, 

I wanted to suggest a helpful resource for learning more about clocks. 

National Association of Watch & Clock Collectors Discussion Forum  

The above NAWCC group is very professional and filled with clock experts who are friendly and helpful. Good luck! 🍀 

[sonomabarn67]

Lace- Thank you for pointing out the AI shenanigans. I have always disliked the Best Answer button as it tends to stop the pursuit of a correct answer and, leaves new readers with inaccurate information that never gets unwound.

[lacemaker3]

@couturehomecollection 

Please don't copy and paste information from AI. You keep getting it out of context.

@mich_55218,

This answer is probably incorrect. It should be unmarked as the best answer. It is better to not have anything marked as the solution, than to have misinformation marked as that.

Also, we don't provide price valuations here, because the piece would need to be evaluated in person to be able to give a realistic valuation. It's impossible to get a good price valuation from photographs.

[lacemaker3]

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@couturehomecollection wrote:

Hi, 

I wanted to suggest a helpful resource for learning more about clocks. 

National Association of Watch & Clock Collectors Discussion Forum  

The above NAWCC group is very professional and filled with clock experts who are friendly and helpful. Good luck! 🍀 

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I could not find any information or pictures of Boch Frères Keramis clocks (or any other pieces) on that website, and no pictures showing marks like the one on @mich_55218's clock.

I did find a clock on another website that shows a B F K mark, but  it is a selling website, so it can't be posted here (or used for reference). The mark is not the same as the one on OP's clock either, and I could not find any reliable references that provide evidence for this being a Boch Frères Keramis mark. So we don't know for sure who used this mark, or the one on OP's clock.

[couturehomecollection]

BFK mark

House of painters BFK monogram mark ca. 1920s - 1930s.

[lacemaker3]

@couturehomecollection:

https://www.theoldstuff.com/

An anonymous website is not a reliable source of information.

That website has no attribution, no owner information, no "About us" information. Nothing to document their sources, or their credentials for providing specialist information. It does not appear to be a legitimate source.

Anyone can post anything on the internet.

[alcoforever]

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@mich_55218 wrote:

Thank you for your reference. 

It sounds  to me too harsh publishing that piece at 99 cents.

I don"t think that 2 glaze cracks  make that almost 100 years old clock worthless.

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Ninety nine cents is harsh but it is the only way you can get the market to tell you what it is worth.   Just make sure the shipping amount is high enough so you don't lose money on the deal.

What you think about glaze cracks is irrelevant.

I once has a very nice English bone china coffee pot that was listed for 99 cents and sold for about $100.   Unfortunately I didn't pack it well and a small chunk got knocked out of the rim in shipping.  Buyer sent it back & I refunded.   I was able to put the chunk back in place with the aid of some instant glue such that the only evidence of the mishap was a very fine hairline crack around the chunk.  I relisted the pot with close up picture of the chunk area as well as mentioning it in the description.   The relisted pot sold for 99 cents!  Condition is everything!!