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From the Collected Works of Bookseller Hints . . .

 

 Most new bookdealers burn out within three years...

  

[Satnrose]

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From the Collected Works of Bookseller Hints . . .

 

Check the last pages of a book for publisher advertisements.

 

The last title on the dustjacket or the list of books on the verso of the half-title page can indeed be an issue point to determine if it's a first edition or not, but not always. This is especially true of older children's/juvenile series books which have ads on the last pages.

 

The most common mistake made in identifying juvenile series first editions is to go by the list on the page before the title page. Quite often the book will be the last title listed on that page. But if you go to the back of the book, you'll see later titles listed.

 

Even if the series in question is not listed on the last pages, the ads will help ballpark the date of the book.

 

[Satnrose]

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A reminder repost:


From the Collected Works of Booksellers' Hints . . .


A "first edition" is not a reprint.
A "first edition" is not a later printing.
A "first edition" is not the "first thus".
A "first edition" is not a book club edition [usually, almost always].
A "first edition" is not a new edition.
A "first edition" is not a "first illustrated edition".
A "first edition" is not what a lot of amateurs think it is.
A "first edition" is not always what a publisher thinks is a first edition.


Publishers do what they do for their convenience and not ours.


To a collector, a "first edition" is the first printing of the first edition. Preferably, the first state of the first issue of the first printing of the first edition.


To a publisher, a "first edition" is any printing done with the original type [regardless of what method they may have used].


For our purposes as bookdealers, we go with the collectors' definition, except in some very few special cases where the collectors themselves have modified the parameters, such as the entire run of printings of the first editions of SECURITY ANALYSIS or of ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS.


There are many instances of books actually stating that they are "First Edition"s when they are not first printings of the first editions. For example, all of the 69 odd printings of THE BRIDGES OF MADISON COUNTY state "First Edition" on the copyright page, along with the numberline. Another example is THE REIVERS by William Faulkner where the book club edition was issued by the publisher without removing the "First Edition" statement from the copyright page. In fact, there are many book club editions which look just like the regular edition, even to the inclusion of a "First Edition" statement and/or numberline, but can only be identified as a book club edition by the lack of a price on the dustjacket or an inferior binding or the presence of the "book club" blindstamp on the rear cover at the lower right hand corner [an indentation in the shape of a dot or circle or square or mapleleaf].


Another tripwire are the Taiwan piracy editions, which may say "First Edition" years after the fact. Also, sometimes the publisher will reissue the book and state that it is a "First Printing" when it clearly is not. And, somesometimes a publisher will put out a new edition and do the same. And sometimes a different publisher will put out their edition of a book and call it a "First Edition" when it aint. It's very confusing!


The bottom line is, yes, it is up to us to properly determine and identify the book. If you say it's a "First Edition" you had better mean that it's a first printing of the first edition or else you'll be wrong.


There are a very few exceptions to this rule [as stated above], and you had better explain them carefully if you want to sell a dubious. In antiquarian books, the situation becomes murkier, but even then, you need to explain the difference between printings and/or editions to the best of your ability.


There is no substitute for class.


[Satnrose]

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From the Collected Works of Booksellers' Hints . . .


Whoever owns the ball sets the rules and names the game.


And eBay not only owns the ball but the field as well.


[Satnrose]

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Old Adage to Remember:  Your first loss is your best loss.  Don't know where this came from, maybe it was something my dad always said.  Good to remember in business dealings.

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A reminder:

 

From the Collected Works of Bookseller Hints . . .   

 

A life rule I have found useful when questioned about one of your books.

 

"Whatever anybody says or does, assume positive intent."

 

Chosen as the most valuable advice given by the president of Pepsico - learned from her father and a snippet that has helped me many times. 

 

[Hollowayd]

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From the Collected Works of Bookseller Hints . . .


The later numbers in children's series books can be surprisingly valuable.


Clair Bee, for instance. This is because, with most series, as they printed new titles in the series, they would reprint the older titles as well. So, pyramidically, #1 would be the most common, and the last least.


[Satnrose]


Additional reasons for the scarcity of high number series books:


Publishers milk the salablity of a series for as long as they can. If a book (series) is selling well, they contract for the next title(s). When the buying public starts to lose interest in the series, the publisher starts producing fewer copies of each title. They sometimes find out that the series is dead after the last few books have been contracted. They then have a very small press run.


The above can be complicated (or enhanced) by a publisher going out of business and/or being purchased by another publisher. Books under contract are published, but in smaller press runs. Also, the distribution contracts that get the book out to stores may be in limbo. The books might not be as widely distributed as a result. There are some cases where there is speculation that the stock was mostly not distributed -- leaving the books in a warehouse somewhere, or even dumping them in the trash.


[Psthomas]

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A reminder repost:

 

From the Collected Works of Bookseller Hints . . .

 

Information is
neutral. Interpretation
is not. Don't muddle.

 

[Bookhall]

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wrote:

A reminder repost:

 

From the Collected Works of Bookseller Hints . . .

 

Information is
neutral. Interpretation
is not. Don't muddle.

 

[Bookhall]


Very relevant in many areas today, not just bookselling.

 

Thanks for keeping this thread alive!

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@figtree3 - You are welcome! That haiku is one of my favorites. And you are so right that it applies to more than just bookselling.


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A clamshell box will make a book more valuable.

 

But usually, the cost of having one made for the book isn't worth the extra value that it adds to the book. But for some books, the extra protection is well worth the price, irregardless.

 

One more thing: if the book is wrapped in a special covering before it is placed in the box, said covering is called a chemise.

 

[Satnrose]

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A reminder . . .

 

From the Collected Works of Bookseller Hints . . .

 

Production Runs at Different Plants & Print Line Code

 

On some of the major new books (printed in the millions!), there may be printings and production runs in 2 or 3 different plants, sometimes at different printers! All have a distinct print line code (for return or bad book tracking), and they all release on the same date!

 

Which one is the true first/first?? Actually all of them. The east coast plant delivers east of Mississippi, the west coast as you can imagine. One plant supplies B&N; another supplies Amazon.

 

[Mever, a bookbinder]

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Mama don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys bookdealers....

 

[Satnrose]

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From the Collected Works of Bookseller Hints . . .


This is as good a time as any to talk about edition vs. printing vs. state vs. issue.


Bookdealing terminology is different than bibliographical terminology is different than publishers' terminology is different than eBay terminology.


An edition is something that was printed from one source.


An edition can have as many printings as the source would allow. In the old days it was as many printings you could do before the type wore out. But in our business, a first edition is a first printing [preferably the first state of the first issue of the first printing of the first edition].


A printing is a limited number of books done at the same time in the same run.


An issue is a deliberate variation done to the book by the publisher. Such as using different paper, or larger pages, or added illustrations, or a different binding.


A state is a change either accidental [such as the breaking of a single letter of typeface], or an attempt by the publisher to correct a mistake in the run [such as a tipped-in page or a cancel].


But state and issue have come to be used almost interchangably in modern booktongue.


[Satnrose]

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From the Collected Works of Bookseller Hints . . .


Bibliographers don't always agree about states and issues. Sometimes an accepted "issue point" becomes changed over the course of time, such as the color of the back of the dustjacket of THE OLD MAN AND THE SEA, or the typeface used in A CHRISTMAS CAROL or the exclamation point on the dustjacket of ONE HUNDRED YEARS OF SOLITUDE.


Nevertheless, whatever is currently the accepted issue point is the one that counts. And even so, you'll have a hard time convincing collectors about the Hemingway book, because the wrong information is in all the standard reference books and price guides.


[Satnrose]

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From the Collected Works of Bookseller Hints . . .

 

ASSOCIATION COPY
A book with an author's inscription to a person associated with his life is known as an association copy. A book with an inscription from one famous author to another famous author/person will make the book even more valuable.


"This term, often scoffed at by laymen, is applied to a copy which once belonged to, or was annotated by, the author; which once belonged to someone connected with the author or someone of interest in his own right; or again, and perhaps most interestingly, belonged to someone peculiarly associated with its contents." -- John Carter, ABC for Book Collectors


DEDICATION COPY
The term "dedication copy" is used when the book is inscribed to the person named on the dedication page. The dedication page is the printed page after [or several pages after] the title page, in which the author formally dedicates the book:
To my editor,
Max Perkins


[Satnrose]

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 A reminder . . .


From the Collected Works of Bookseller Hints . . .


It has been estimated that over 50% of all sports autographs are forgeries.


"Signed" Elbert Hubbard Roycrofters books were usually signed by his secretaries.


[Only]  1% of all JFK [Kennedy] signatures are authentic.


Jean Harlow could barely write her own name.
Her mother signed her autographs on almost all photos, etc.


Babe Ruth had assistants who could forge his name perfectly.


Almost all Presidential land grants from Andrew Jackson on are secretarially signed.


All Presidential autographs from JFK on are highly suspect.


The Beatles had a team of forgers.


Famous forgeries of the latter half of the 20th Century:
The Hitler Diaries
The Texas Declaration of Independence
The Mormon Forgeries aka the Mormon Murders
The Nixon Resignation Letter,
etc.


[Satnrose]

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